DUST Search - Why Enforcer Are Pointless

Cosgar wrote:

Devil Music wrote:

Tectonious Falcon wrote:

Sir Petersen wrote:

Stop complaining, adapt and play the game.

People that say this shouldn't be allowed on the forums.

This is solid advice, why does it offend carebears? You dont even play. You redline snipe.

EVElopedia wrote:

Carebear is an often derogatory term used to describe players who prefer to refrain from PvP combat. Activities that involve playing against the game environment are collectively referred to as "carebearing."

People described as carebears can be mission runners, manufacturers, traders, or any number of non-player vs player centric fields of economic gain. The key perceived difference between 'carebears' and players who simply PvE is their attitude towards PvP encounters.

Although the term exists as an Eve meme, if one were to attempt to define a carebear as accurately as possible, some of the following attributes would generally apply.

Is a non-PvP oriented pilot - generally a miner or mission-runner.
Refuses to engage in PvP at all costs.
Disagrees with PvP existing in empire space.
Often is a solo pilot still in an original NPC corp.
Responds to violent/illegal interaction with other players with a negative and unsporting attitude.
Tries to amass as much wealth as possible while expecting as little conflict as possible.

In the end, the true difference between a mission runner, industrialist, business man, and carebear is what their reactive attitude towards PvP in EVE is.

Source
Yeah, I think it's impossible to have carebears in Dust 514...

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Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 509	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:11:00 - [1] - Quote I've never been killed by one. It's always maddy's when it happens, and maybe ten times this entire build by a gunlogi. That balance is just awful- only maddy's can kill other tanks, right now. Can we buff shield tanks, or something that isn't an armor tank nerf? NO MORE NERFS. Oh, and how about we buff enforcers because for 2.5 mil ISK pricetage, it should at least have a shot at killing me, but it never does. I remember a Sagaris was the scariest thing on the battlefield if you were in a vehicle, and a Surya was the scariest to infantry. What happened to those days?
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 157	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:25:00 - [2] - Quote Stop complaining, adapt and play the game.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 179	Posted - 2013.06.17 10:57:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. like everybody have adapted to the TAC AR?
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 516	Posted - 2013.06.17 10:58:00 - [4] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. lol. aren't you hard. the point is that enforcers are too expensive for their cost. I didnt invest in them but other people did and theyre useless.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 131	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:02:00 - [5] - Quote I agree wholeheartedly. I really do not understand why they're so expensive, and I don't even drive tanks.
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 457	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:08:00 - [6] - Quote hey, luckily we have some vehicle experts on the CPM that can give great feedback Yet another build where CCP fails to balance tanks, you start to wonder if they even test their own stuff. This current build it is all about the madrugar and everyone has the same fit, all other tanks are completely crap. enough people have been giving feedback about tanks but i have yet to see a damn change!
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 516	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:10:00 - [7] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: hey, luckily we have some vehicle experts on the CPM that can give great feedback Yet another build where CCP fails to balance tanks, you start to wonder if they even test their own stuff. This current build it is all about the madrugar and everyone has the same fit, all other tanks are completely crap. enough people have been giving feedback about tanks but i have yet to see a damn change! oh, i have no doubt we'll see change, but probably in a wrong direction. most likely another nerf to tanks- armor tanks this time.
Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 569	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:19:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. People that say this shouldn't be allowed on the forums.
Devil Music Intara Direct Action Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:32:00 - [9] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. People that say this shouldn't be allowed on the forums. This is solid advice, why does it offend carebears? You dont even play. You redline snipe.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 822	Posted - 2013.06.17 12:59:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. We did, and now you guys are crying about all the LLAVs. Adapt and play the game.

Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 518	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:07:00 - [11] - Quote Adapt to my LLAV
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 457	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:09:00 - [12] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: hey, luckily we have some vehicle experts on the CPM that can give great feedback Yet another build where CCP fails to balance tanks, you start to wonder if they even test their own stuff. This current build it is all about the madrugar and everyone has the same fit, all other tanks are completely crap. enough people have been giving feedback about tanks but i have yet to see a damn change! ive seen one change.... lights go on, then they go out
Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:01:00 - [13] - Quote My best tank fit is with an caldari enforcer, and while it may be more difficult to kill an armor rail gun I do it all the time. the fact that infantry favoured av weapons are more effective vs armor balances this out. Some small modifications to shield tanks like increases to passive recharge rate maybe but nothing else. I have both mads and gunlogis
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1783	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:05:00 - [14] - Quote Devil Music wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. People that say this shouldn't be allowed on the forums. This is solid advice, why does it offend carebears? You dont even play. You redline snipe. EVElopedia wrote: Carebear is an often derogatory term used to describe players who prefer to refrain from PvP combat. Activities that involve playing against the game environment are collectively referred to as "carebearing." People described as carebears can be mission runners, manufacturers, traders, or any number of non-player vs player centric fields of economic gain. The key perceived difference between 'carebears' and players who simply PvE is their attitude towards PvP encounters. Although the term exists as an Eve meme, if one were to attempt to define a carebear as accurately as possible, some of the following attributes would generally apply. Is a non-PvP oriented pilot - generally a miner or mission-runner. Refuses to engage in PvP at all costs. Disagrees with PvP existing in empire space. Often is a solo pilot still in an original NPC corp. Responds to violent/illegal interaction with other players with a negative and unsporting attitude. Tries to amass as much wealth as possible while expecting as little conflict as possible. In the end, the true difference between a mission runner, industrialist, business man, and carebear is what their reactive attitude towards PvP in EVE is. Source Yeah, I think it's impossible to have carebears in Dust 514...
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 971	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:56:00 - [15] - Quote I don't know if you've played Eve or not, but do you know how much people will pay for a 5% advantage over another player? How about the huge price difference between tech 1 / pirate faction ships for that one extra slot or a different role bonus? People will pay out the derp for any advantage they can get. An extra slot is a huge advantage, and to me, warrants the larger price tag. Shield HAV pilot.
Devil Music Intara Direct Action Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:50:00 - [16] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Devil Music wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. People that say this shouldn't be allowed on the forums. This is solid advice, why does it offend carebears? You dont even play. You redline snipe. EVElopedia wrote: Carebear is an often derogatory term used to describe players who prefer to refrain from PvP combat. Activities that involve playing against the game environment are collectively referred to as "carebearing." People described as carebears can be mission runners, manufacturers, traders, or any number of non-player vs player centric fields of economic gain. The key perceived difference between 'carebears' and players who simply PvE is their attitude towards PvP encounters. Although the term exists as an Eve meme, if one were to attempt to define a carebear as accurately as possible, some of the following attributes would generally apply. Is a non-PvP oriented pilot - generally a miner or mission-runner. Refuses to engage in PvP at all costs. Disagrees with PvP existing in empire space. Often is a solo pilot still in an original NPC corp. Responds to violent/illegal interaction with other players with a negative and unsporting attitude. Tries to amass as much wealth as possible while expecting as little conflict as possible. In the end, the true difference between a mission runner, industrialist, business man, and carebear is what their reactive attitude towards PvP in EVE is. Source Yeah, I think it's impossible to have carebears in Dust 514... 9.999=10
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5281	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote I never been killed by one but I have seen one do a lot of killing on spine crescent.
The Shotgun Surgeon Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:59:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Stop complaining, adapt and play the game. People that say this shouldn't be allowed on the forums. stop complaining, adapt and post on forums, see what i did there?
Crimson Judgment ROGUE SPADES EoN. 9	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:51:00 - [19] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Adapt to my LLAV lol no our LLAV's need to adapt we need a radio plying this as we run over those AR users who cried for vehicle nerfs in the first place while laughing malevolently
Telleth DUST University Ivy League 51	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:09:00 - [20] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I don't know if you've played Eve or not, but do you know how much people will pay for a 5% advantage over another player? How about the huge price difference between tech 1 / pirate faction ships for that one extra slot or a different role bonus? People will pay out the derp for any advantage they can get. An extra slot is a huge advantage, and to me, warrants the larger price tag. Shield HAV pilot. If it were equal to a mad or loggi and just had the extra slot, a little extra CPU/pg and the buffs in place, then I might consider it worth the price. But it doesn't, it's much more fragile than a standard tank, therefor much more likely to lose. With the hull costing 5 times more not including fittings, it's just not worth it.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1645	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:28:00 - [21] - Quote I've never been killed with an officer weapon this build- does that mean they're pointless?
Principus Shmoof Triariian Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:06:00 - [22] - Quote Stack 3 damage mods, a proto turret, and high skills, then go to town. you'll see
Planetside2 FreeonPS4 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.06.18 00:45:00 - [23] - Quote Planetside 2 free on PS4 this year
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1987	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:11:00 - [24] - Quote Planetside2 FreeonPS4 wrote: Planetside 2 free on PS4 this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2nWNZfKFSI
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 527	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:32:00 - [25] - Quote Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote: Stack 3 damage mods, a proto turret, and high skills, then go to town. you'll see Well here's the fun thing about that: it's not possible to do with a Vayu and if you do that with a Flachion, you will nmot be able to boost you shields or have anything better than a supplementary extender. In fact, i laugh at people who do that and try to take on my maddy with its minute long hardeners and reppers.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 527	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:36:00 - [26] - Quote Planetside2 FreeonPS4 wrote: Planetside 2 free on PS4 this year Dust is ******.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 80	Posted - 2013.06.18 03:17:00 - [27] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I've never been killed by one. It's always maddy's when it happens, and maybe ten times this entire build by a gunlogi. That balance is just awful- only maddy's can kill other tanks, right now. Can we buff shield tanks, or something that isn't an armor tank nerf? NO MORE NERFS. Oh, and how about we buff enforcers because for 2.5 mil ISK pricetage, it should at least have a shot at killing me, but it never does. I remember a Sagaris was the scariest thing on the battlefield if you were in a vehicle, and a Surya was the scariest to infantry. What happened to those days? I do have ONE enforcer fitting that I like. It's got 2 dmg mods and a proto rail. It only has like 5k shields though. It's nice for killing RDVs. Also an enforcer's best ability is that it can equip damage mods for railguns. No one takes notice of the passive missile/blaster dmg because the tank fookan sucks.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3545	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:03:00 - [28] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I've never been killed by one. It's always maddy's when it happens, and maybe ten times this entire build by a gunlogi. That balance is just awful- only maddy's can kill other tanks, right now. Can we buff shield tanks, or something that isn't an armor tank nerf? NO MORE NERFS. Oh, and how about we buff enforcers because for 2.5 mil ISK pricetage, it should at least have a shot at killing me, but it never does. I remember a Sagaris was the scariest thing on the battlefield if you were in a vehicle, and a Surya was the scariest to infantry. What happened to those days? passive skills were broken then. unless u mean the old days when Marauders had a built in 1.5 dmg buff but tanks still werent 2 shotted then :P Agree tho shields need to be buffed and CCP needs to give enforcers the old built in dmg buff that marauders had
mollerz Minja Scouts 433	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:09:00 - [29] - Quote But is it more pointless than a scout mobile?
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.06.18 07:14:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I never been killed by one but I have seen one do a lot of killing on spine crescent. ??! What game are you playing? I see an average of 5 to 10 kills.

Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 532	Posted - 2013.06.18 12:00:00 - [31] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I've never been killed by one. It's always maddy's when it happens, and maybe ten times this entire build by a gunlogi. That balance is just awful- only maddy's can kill other tanks, right now. Can we buff shield tanks, or something that isn't an armor tank nerf? NO MORE NERFS. Oh, and how about we buff enforcers because for 2.5 mil ISK pricetage, it should at least have a shot at killing me, but it never does. I remember a Sagaris was the scariest thing on the battlefield if you were in a vehicle, and a Surya was the scariest to infantry. What happened to those days? passive skills were broken then. unless u mean the old days when Marauders had a built in 1.5 dmg buff but tanks still werent 2 shotted then :P Agree tho shields need to be buffed and CCP needs to give enforcers the old built in dmg buff that marauders had That would make enforcers 20% coolor
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 22	Posted - 2013.06.18 12:57:00 - [32] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I've never been killed by one. It's always maddy's when it happens, and maybe ten times this entire build by a gunlogi. That balance is just awful- only maddy's can kill other tanks, right now. Can we buff shield tanks, or something that isn't an armor tank nerf? NO MORE NERFS. Oh, and how about we buff enforcers because for 2.5 mil ISK pricetage, it should at least have a shot at killing me, but it never does. I remember a Sagaris was the scariest thing on the battlefield if you were in a vehicle, and a Surya was the scariest to infantry. What happened to those days? passive skills were broken then. unless u mean the old days when Marauders had a built in 1.5 dmg buff but tanks still werent 2 shotted then :P Agree tho shields need to be buffed and CCP needs to give enforcers the old built in dmg buff that marauders had That would make enforcers 20% coolor I smell MLP
FatalFlaw V1 ISK Faucet Industries 99	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:48:00 - [33] - Quote Just curious, why are you guys saying enforcers are more fragile? I know the description says that, but just looking at the stats there is only a slightly lower amount of shield/armor but more fitting and an extra slot. It seems like if anything they could be fit with slightly more tank. Is there a hidden resistance stat or something?
WSixsmith Dust Ultramarine Corp 5	Posted - 2013.07.13 04:24:00 - [34] - Quote 200 less powergrid and the reduced hp makes for a very big difference in the amount of damage a tank can soak up.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 113	Posted - 2013.07.13 04:34:00 - [35] - Quote WSixsmith Dust wrote: 200 less powergrid and the reduced hp makes for a very big difference in the amount of damage a tank can soak up. and 10 less cpu on falchion. but neither is really intended for close range combat according to ccp. i think if we had 48 or 64 player battles then they MIGHT have a place on the battlefield, givin theres a lot more vehicles on the field.
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Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 172	Posted - 2013.07.13 04:43:00 - [37] - Quote Word is CCP Blam! Is gone so vehicle balance is donezo for awhile
gbt555 Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.13 04:48:00 - [38] - Quote Dual flaylocks yay
Sgt Buttscratch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 458	Posted - 2013.07.13 05:21:00 - [39] - Quote Shielders do need a buff, agreed. Only time I get hassle from shielders nowadays is when they are playing rocking robin up high, even then just avoid their range. The enforcers remind me of Thales sniper rifles, you see someone using one and you want to make sure they don't take it home with them. They shouldn't be a 2nd skill tree tank, they should be buffed and named advanced. When players see an enforcer they need to be scared, not giggle cuz that guy has a 2.5million + isk militia tank Then we still need our Prototanks. In reality It's almost crazy we dont have proto tanks and the missing dropsuits yet.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.07.13 08:06:00 - [40] - Quote Aythadis Smith wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I never been killed by one but I have seen one do a lot of killing on spine crescent. ??! What game are you playing? I see an average of 5 to 10 kills. Depends who the pilot is.



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