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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:33:00 -
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Let's face it, everyone AFK's at some point. There are those that do it more than others, but any rational person takes advantage of the feature whenever they need to step away from their PS3 for fifteen minutes. We do it because we still believe in Dust's future and want to be in a preferable position when all that promise finally arrives.
What I'm noticing recently, however, is that people are stating here and elsewhere that they can no longer be bothered to even AFK. The player count not hitting over 6k this weekend kind of confirms that this is true as opposed to hot air, and to add to this you'll find more and more AFK'ers in the MCC. I interpret that latter observation to mean that now our active players are also on the path to eventually leaving.
The problem is that the connection between Dust and EVE is so shallow as to effectively not exist. What we're left with is then a normal shooter that needs much improvement. In such a situation the players will naturally bleed out to other normal shooters that play better. Frankly, despite the claims that Dust is unique, it is not so currently. It COULD be unique and it COULD be retaining its playerbase despite needing improvement IF conflict was meaningful. After all, for many years EVE retained and increased its population despite it myriad problems precisely because the pew pew really meant something.
CCP, you're understandably wary of fast-tracking the connection between Dust and EVE because you're afraid you might break one or the other or both. However, if you want Dust to survive you need to take a leaf out your own book and realise that those that take few risks reap few rewards. Your internal magazine is called "Fearless" is it not? It's time for you to live up to that name, or else watch this game die faster than you can iterate safely. |
Golda Go
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:34:00 -
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Doomsayer |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:36:00 -
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I have to admit even im tired of these threads now |
Rinas Rylos
Rinas' Raiders
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:38:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Let's face it, everyone AFK's at some point. There are those that do it more than others, but any rational person takes advantage of the feature whenever they need to step away from their PS3 for fifteen minutes. We do it because we still believe in Dust's future and want to be in a preferable position when all that promise finally arrives.
What I'm noticing recently, however, is that people are stating here and elsewhere that they can no longer be bothered to even AFK. The player count not hitting over 6k this weekend kind of confirms that this is true as opposed to hot air, and to add to this you'll find more and more AFK'ers in the MCC. I interpret that latter observation to mean that now our active players are also on the path to eventually leaving.
The problem is that the connection between Dust and EVE is so shallow as to effectively not exist. What we're left with is then a normal shooter that needs much improvement. In such a situation the players will naturally bleed out to other normal shooters that play better. Frankly, despite the claims that Dust is unique, it is not so currently. It COULD be unique and it COULD be retaining its playerbase despite needing improvement IF conflict was meaningful. After all, for many years EVE retained and increased its population despite it myriad problems precisely because the pew pew really meant something.
CCP, you're understandably wary of fast-tracking the connection between Dust and EVE because you're afraid you might break one or the other or both. However, if you want Dust to survive you need to take a leaf out your own book and realise that those that take few risks reap few rewards. Your internal magazine is called "Fearless" is it not? It's time for you to live up to that name, or else watch this game die faster than you can iterate safely.
I agree with most of what you say, but the fact of the matter is that it's all pretty much been said before. Not to be a *****, but you're preaching to the converted here, and while I'm (relatively) sure that CCP is aware of all these complaints, it's gonna take time to fix them. |
Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:38:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Let's face it, everyone AFK's at some point. Stopped reading there, because the rest of your post seems to hinge on that premise, and it's factually wrong. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:39:00 -
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Because we don't have enough threads like these so you made this original one right? |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:47:00 -
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ive never afked ever in this game
you sir are just weak. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:49:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:ive never afked ever in this game
you sir are just weak.
You're quite the hero. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:57:00 -
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Dust < 6,000 in prime time now.
CCP is MIA.
A mess of commitments effectively abandoned.
I could go on.
Yeah, I'd say the OP has a point. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.06.17 09:05:00 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Take whatever time period you want, the trendline is firmly downward. |
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
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Posted - 2013.06.17 09:55:00 -
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The devs lost the goodwill they built with EvE know noone trust's them to get it right. And where all moving onto the next gen games. Which run correctly look awsome. And have nice engaging twists. A few years ago dust would have stood out. It's too bad they took to long and rest of thr industry caught up |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.17 09:59:00 -
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Or maybe game just improves in time and not care about game making instantly millions of dollars? |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:02:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:Or maybe game just improves in time and not care about game making instantly millions of dollars?
I'm pretty sure they care about player retention. Or at least they should. Given the stats show playercount consistently reducing, I would hope they have more than bandages in the works. That's not going to stop the patient hemorrhaging. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
710
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:03:00 -
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Yeh a game needs players though that's the problem with games with no environment content if u run out players it all comes crashing down see oringal planetside |
KaTaLy5t-87
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:08:00 -
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From what I've read Eve istelf was pretty rough for the first while as well and as far as CCP are concerned Eve still isn't "the finished article" 10 years later.
I doubt there are many game devs that are still patching and improving their games 10 years after release. Yes, Dust has lots of flaws but I hope that CCP will eventually get rid of them. It's just a matter of being patient. I'm not interested in the likes of CoD who release a "new" game every year and charge people $60 for a couple of minor differences. I would rather put some money into a work in progress type of game like Dust, and yes I have spent money in Dust to buy the special packs like the Merc Pack and so on.
I hope CCP aren't posting on the forums because they are too busy trying to fix the game. I could be wrong of course . . . |
KaTaLy5t-87
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:11:00 -
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BTW I'm not a CCP or Eve fanboi by any stretch of the imagination in case I sound like I am. I started playing Dust in beta and started playing Eve a couple of months ago rather casually to investigate how actions in Eve might effect our Corp, which is primarily based in Dust. |
DeadlyAztec11
Strong-Arm
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:13:00 -
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Most tiresome... |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:17:00 -
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KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:From what I've read Eve istelf was pretty rough for the first while as well and as far as CCP are concerned Eve still isn't "the finished article" 10 years later.
I doubt there are many game devs that are still patching and improving their games 10 years after release. Yes, Dust has lots of flaws but I hope that CCP will eventually get rid of them. It's just a matter of being patient. I'm not interested in the likes of CoD who release a "new" game every year and charge people $60 for a couple of minor differences. I would rather put some money into a work in progress type of game like Dust, and yes I have spent money in Dust to buy the special packs like the Merc Pack and so on.
I hope CCP aren't posting on the forums because they are too busy trying to fix the game. I could be wrong of course . . .
I was in EVE on release day and indeed it was pretty rough around the edges. However, there is a big difference between the first days of EVE and Dust. In EVE we had meaningful PvP and PvE, basic missions, a reasonable complement of different ships and weapons, and an entire universe to go off and claim.. We can't go anywhere in Dust except the handful of maps they've given us, we can't do PvE content, we can't explore to our hearts content and lay claim to that empty backend system.. Only the same few maps, using the same few suits and weapons, endlessly :( |
IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:37:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:From what I've read Eve istelf was pretty rough for the first while as well and as far as CCP are concerned Eve still isn't "the finished article" 10 years later.
I doubt there are many game devs that are still patching and improving their games 10 years after release. Yes, Dust has lots of flaws but I hope that CCP will eventually get rid of them. It's just a matter of being patient. I'm not interested in the likes of CoD who release a "new" game every year and charge people $60 for a couple of minor differences. I would rather put some money into a work in progress type of game like Dust, and yes I have spent money in Dust to buy the special packs like the Merc Pack and so on.
I hope CCP aren't posting on the forums because they are too busy trying to fix the game. I could be wrong of course . . . I was in EVE on release day and indeed it was pretty rough around the edges. However, there is a big difference between the first days of EVE and Dust. In EVE we had meaningful PvP and PvE, basic missions, a reasonable complement of different ships and weapons, and an entire universe to go off and claim.. We can't go anywhere in Dust except the handful of maps they've given us, we can't do PvE content, we can't explore to our hearts content and lay claim to that empty backend system.. Only the same few maps, using the same few suits and weapons, endlessly :(
CCP has always been in it for the long haul and the numbers in dust is still higher than we had in EvE at the start, however its much smaller, i loved those first few months down in 0.0 braving it out against the rats and looking out for players in those rare occasions we would come across someone
the normal gameplay is not great but no matter how much time they put into it atm its not going to compare to a real AAA fps game (bf4 trailer anyone?)
We are now losing numbers connection issues dont help with this, few times the sever has gone down i have moved to another game,
I think its about time CCP Harden up and say they know there is a problem with the game XX is how they intend to fix it tbh if FoxFour was not involved as much as he is i would have left by now, they have put up about PC not being great but we need more than that the weekly promotions forums post i had forgotten about them till recently
Most people who are still playing (not AFKing) are still here as they want to see the game succeed, use us more, ask for more feedback on areas, get us voting etc
E3 is going to get people to come here and try the game we need to hold them for the 2 weeks then we need to keep them with the promise of things to come, that's what we are missing now, PC going the way it went it needs to be fixed and increased size massively |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:06:00 -
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E3 saw a drop in numbers not q rise their are so many games that does Dust514 better. For example Bf2142. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:11:00 -
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Maybe all the Devs said "Screw this" and are working on EVR.. Honestly that looks like a much cooler game then Dust, and the direct link to EVE is extremely obvious.
But then again... They are having Dragon Boat festival..... Whatever that is. |
IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:30:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:E3 saw a drop in numbers not q rise their are so many games that does Dust514 better. For example Bf2142.
Harsh but true
we need some depth and that should come from PC and PVE we cant have the market yet and its gonna be a long time before we can handle the market so much has to change first
i would just like to see more info from the devs on what they are doing, what are they working on, what's their concerns etc There will always be complaining on the forums but guide us in the right direction we might be helpful and provide ideas
again well done to FoxFour for making the thread about PC, it has renewed alittle faith we just need to see something coming from it now, there is enough posts to start refining the idea down |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:38:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Maybe all the Devs said "Screw this" and are working on EVR.. Honestly that looks like a much cooler game then Dust, and the direct link to EVE is extremely obvious.
But then again... They are having Dragon Boat festival..... Whatever that is. Nah they are there, just in turtle mode waiting for the devs to shove any old crap out the door to appease what's left of the user base.
1.2 can't come quick enough for CCP but so many things are stuffed they are probably struggling to make headway on many fronts.
I see the AUR division is still pumping out stuff though. Even creating extended down times to add items to the store. What kind of system is that? |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
93
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:40:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:I see the AUR division is still pumping out stuff though. Even creating extended down times to add items to the store. What kind of system is that?
One can never have too many of the same thing with a different name and colour! |
Smiley McCloud
420Bubble420
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:03:00 -
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First, it is father's day weekend. Second, Dust is hardly fleshed out yet. I believe I see where CCP is going with the game in a few areas and it seems to me that the game will perform much better on a pc or the PS4...I'll bet 25,000,000isk that once the game is on the ps4 and begins to blossom into the game that I imagine it will become, based on my experience with Eve, we will see a slow but steady influx of new players. Some will stay,some will go. Older players will pit down their controllers in favor of a new game then return. Over the span of the next 3-5 years I am sure that the player-base will be such that we will see 20k+ on at any given time. I have played Eve on and off since 2006 and one thing that sticks out is that CCP does things right. They don't give up when things don't go well and that persistence has made Eve the game it is today and will create an equally awesome mmofps. I cannot wait to see what CCP has dreamed up in Dust when it is able to utilize the power of the ps4. I also believe that many of these anti-dust/negative forum posts are being posted by the compitition. Anyone who believes otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
93
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:05:00 -
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Smiley McCloud wrote:I also believe that many of these anti-dust/negative forum posts are being posted by the compitition. Anyone who believes otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
If you believe that the competition need to create accounts to post about the poor state of the game, given the poor state of the game, then I have two bridges to sell to you. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits
133
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:17:00 -
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A more significant connection EvE isn't the key to player retention.
It's all in the gameplay.
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Shadow heat
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:30:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:[quote=Smiley McCloud]I also believe that many of these anti-dust/negative forum posts are being posted by the compitition. Anyone who believes otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly believe that any other company is looking at Dust, and saying; We have to keep an eye on this game, is our main competition.
They most likely looking at Dust, and rolling on the floor laughing. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
292
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:35:00 -
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I beat last of us faster then I wanted so looks like it's back to playing dust till something better comes along. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
94
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:38:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:A more significant connection EvE isn't the key to player retention.
It's all in the gameplay.
While I'm certainly not downplaying the importance of good gameplay, I am using the experience of EVE in postulating that more meaningful conflict would aid in player retention even in its current state. I and many others stayed with EVE for the longest of times despite large battles turning into a slideshow precisely because so much was at stake. There is nothing at stake in Dust, not truly. |
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