Before I get too excited I would like a lot more details on how the match making that CCP has designed works.

In principle any match making helps.

Well at least we havent got long to wait I expect mcc guard duty to become a very well payed job.

Yes but don't forget that this is only part-time work on a worldwide shift basis.

There is match making. It requires more players to work properly though.

What we need is militia only mode.

It depends on how they implement matchmaking. If it's simply based on a player's SP totals, groups of players can just create alts and continue to pub stomp as normal. Anyone who pays attention understand it's not the gear that creates the pub stomping, it's the teamwork.

OTOH, if they implement matchmaking based on things like K/D, we'll end up with either matches full of tards running around solo with no clue how to play the game, and never really having any incentive to learn how to play because they aren't going up against anyone with a clue. Furthermore, all the logi's and dropship pilots (well, I say "all," but it's not like there's a whole lot of either) will be stuck playing with the rejects. Furthermore, the higher end matches will all be Assault ARs, Contact Grenades, Redline Tanks, and Snipers.

I'm not convinced Matchmaking won't cause just as many problems as it solves, and won't really help new players actually improve.

Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo)

I'll be rich in my militia stater fit i tell ya! RICH!

This is a game.

If some scrub wants shoot at the mcc without some dude running up behind him in a proto assault and duvolle i'm all for it.

So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV?

I'd be the one destroying the LAV lol (I'm dedicated AV)

not if its a LLAV

I've destroy those everyday. (Either destroy them with swarms or shoot them out of drivers seat and steal LLAV)

Oh yea before the match ends drive their LLAV into the redline to destroy it.

fine ill just spam my bpo fit bpo saga :P

fine ill just spam my bpo fit bpo saga :P

OK then I'll just keep on OHK'ing you with my swarms.

Yes.looking forward to better match making. No more (at least not a lot) dumb blueberries. But I won't be able to fly my DS due to red line tanks and proto forge guns :(

i can take just over 2 proto swarms then i bail and get another guess everybody wins you get to farm free wp and i get to ram my lav up proto asses

There is match making. It requires more players to work properly though.

What we need is militia only mode.

that is OP

I'm not sure how this relates to anything I posted.

Matchmaking based on SP will literally not help what you are describing in any way.

I suppose matchmaking based on some sort of stat analysis would help that clueless player who wishes not to actually play the game, but is that really the person we are looking to help out with match making? Is that the goal of the people clamoring for match making? I don't believe it is.

The people asking for better matchmaking want it to help curb the "protostomping," which, in reality is just "pubstomping". The Gear has almost absolutely nothing to do with pubstomping, and "protostomping" is a bit of a misnomer. The fact that the players who work as a team and pubstomp are in protogear is really just a side effect of the fact that they pubstomp as a team. Playing the game the way it was designed to be played leads to good results, which means more SP, which means better gear.

Those same players could put on militia gear and still be about 95% effective at pubstomping, because again, it has much more to do with game familiarity and team play than what you're wearing.

So again, although using some sort of statitstical analysis of a players K/D and other similiar stats would make it easier for terrible players to rope themselves off into their own little kiddie pool, it doesn't really address any of the actual concerns that are leading to the cries for better match making in the first place.

Furthermore, like I already touched on, "improving" the match making would most likely come with problems of it's own (and knowing CCPs track record with their "improvements", it would be a real toss up whether the net result would be better or worse).

You'd still have players of high skill, who just happen to focus on things other than whatever stats the match making tracks, stuck with the terrible players, and all of the new players who don't yet have the stats to get into the "proper" matches would be turned off with the terrible/pointless gameplay they would be thrust into.

Doesn't affect me either way, Proto or Militia, I put up a fight, rack up the kills, and win or lose the match, I don't whine when I get protostomped, I don't gloat when we completely stomp the enemy team either, it's to be expected.

I don't actually go into matches without a full squad unless I'm sniping or something anyway either.

How do you make a matchmaker based on gear when you can change into any suit you want when you are in the match? A matchmaker based on gear will fail no matter how CCP implements it.

There are three ways that have been talked about, all with their flaws.

1.) Stats - sorry logis, dropships
2.) SP - if you've ever made a mistake, goodbye
3.) gear level - experienced players in militia gear destroying newberries

Make your bets. 100,000 isk minimum. I'm leaning towards gear meta level.

Yeah just because you can do well against proto doesn't mean half of the player base can. It's not because of 1 protobear but its because they have a full squad stomping these new players. Like I do fine against them but my teammates... That dies repeatedly and give the enemy team like 3 orbitals x_x

If you went into a militia match, anything over that would be red (you can't spawn in, invalid). Proto level is more of a anything goes.

I've seen your corp protostomping, there are no innocent people here, and I'm talking about a stacked team, I've been completely hounded by protosquads before, going 2/19 or something simillar, it pisses me off a little, but it don't bother me that much. At the end of the day, you win some, you lose some, I cycle game modes when I'm with my squad to avoid meeting the same players twice (Domination > Skirmish > Ambush > Repeat) means that the Protostomping team will usually be out of the loop by the time we get back.

Most of the bigger corps are definitely carried by their gear rather than their skill though, that's just blatently obvious.

haha no. I would love to believe this, and I have experienced really good games with less than proto gear... But you are suggesting that gear and sp are something less than 10 percent towards the cause of winning in a game in the face of teamwork. I do believe you can pull great games with teamwork... However this is parodically incorrect.

The only way to show your faulty logic is by comparing extremes, or a control group against that of a variable group.

Group A - control group with excellent teamwork all militia.
vs
Group B - variable group militia with no teamwork.

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Group A
vs
Group C - variable group proto with no teamwork.

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Group A
vs
Group D - variable group proto with excellent teamwork (protos run in groups more often making this test more likely)

I urge you to answer your own hypothesis for yourself.

With SP matchmaking or stat based, Group A can gradually meet Group D if they are worthy. On a more specific note, my advanced tank can take over 5 or 6 A/Vs lower than proto... That's a squad... That's teamwork... And in the end my crew of 2 -3 waxed them and the rest of their team they were guarding.

Please note, in a perfect game your theory holds true. But this isn't perfect, nor is it meant to be... It is meant to be an MMO where time and effort give the upper hand... How it should be. Meet you all on the battlefield.

It'll probably be either broken or completely unnoticeable.

In all honesty, there is a way to manipulate every system of matchmaking that I have seen over the 30 yrs of playing games 0o

Thats why i say if it is an issue now, than its best to find a different game.


People will tire of playing the same people over and over everyday, if they are not already.

CCP better introduce militia knives if we are going to be matched together based on gear. I don't want to be forced into using a gun. *shutters*

But then again, there is always hacking objectives and reviving people.

The only true way to match make, is to base it on peoples precious KDR, but even then, how would you get a whole squad in a match together? round the ratio?

I feel your pain, you have to base it on something, and the closet you can come to basing it near ones ability or skill is either w/l ratio, which they do not even show, or KDR........

SP could be used, but....... how would that make fair matchmaking, what if you have a 5.0 player that only casually plays and has low sp?

Well KDR means nothing now

Well KDR means nothing now

[quote=richiesutie 2][quote=Baal Roo]The people asking for better matchmaking want it to help curb the "protostomping," which, in reality is just "pubstomping". The Gear has almost absolutely nothing to do with pubstomping, and "protostomping" is a bit of a misnomer. The fact that the players who work as a team and pubstomp are in protogear is really just a side effect of the fact that they pubstomp as a team. Playing the game the way it was designed to be played leads to good results, which means more SP, which means better gear.

Those same players could put on militia gear and still be about 95% effective at pubstomping, because again, it has much more to do with game familiarity and team play than what you're wearing.

I don't know about you but i cant wait proto characters will be earning similar amount to pc and without the 80mil initial cost and lag dudeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I thnk you've got it exactly backwards. In reality, we aren't separated out into control groups that all fall neatly into one of your given categories. In reality, it's a smattering of different types of players, at many different skill and gear levels, all playing together. In reality, it's much more likely to assume that the matchmaking they come up with won't really be all that particularly great at properly separating players out from one another.

Heck, CCP has already implemented matchmaking, it's just doesn't work worth a crap.

Every time I see discussion on match making I don't know why average WP per game as a stat is not discussed?

Seems legit, you must be new here. We do not accept legit arguments in our troll threads. Please take your fail and get out.

I've destroy those everyday. (Either destroy them with swarms or shoot them out of drivers seat and steal LLAV)

Oh yea before the match ends drive their LLAV into the redline to destroy it.

Every time I see discussion on match making I don't know why average WP per game as a stat is not discussed?