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richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:18:00 -
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I don't know about you but i cant wait proto characters will be earning similar amount to pc and without the 80mil initial cost and lag dudeeeeeeeeeeeee. |
really unknown one
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:30:00 -
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I'll be rich in my militia stater fit i tell ya! RICH! |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
183
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:45:00 -
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Yeah, matchmaking is arguably something that people might like to see in the game. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
173
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:48:00 -
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Before I get too excited I would like a lot more details on how the match making that CCP has designed works.
In principle any match making helps. |
riyo hit
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:00:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Before I get too excited I would like a lot more details on how the match making that CCP has designed works.
In principle any match making helps.
Well at least we havent got long to wait I expect mcc guard duty to become a very well payed job. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
174
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:06:00 -
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riyo hit wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Before I get too excited I would like a lot more details on how the match making that CCP has designed works.
In principle any match making helps. Well at least we havent got long to wait I expect mcc guard duty to become a very well payed job.
Yes but don't forget that this is only part-time work on a worldwide shift basis. |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:10:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:riyo hit wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Before I get too excited I would like a lot more details on how the match making that CCP has designed works.
In principle any match making helps. Well at least we havent got long to wait I expect mcc guard duty to become a very well payed job. Yes but don't forget that this is only part-time work on a worldwide shift basis. Let no mcc remain unguarded! (Unless its a militia match of course that pay really sucks) |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2311
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:12:00 -
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There is match making. It requires more players to work properly though.
What we need is militia only mode. |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:15:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:There is match making. It requires more players to work properly though.
What we need is militia only mode.
I'm quite sure that right now matchmaking prefers to get you into a match quickly rather than a match based on gear. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1638
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:16:00 -
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It depends on how they implement matchmaking. If it's simply based on a player's SP totals, groups of players can just create alts and continue to pub stomp as normal. Anyone who pays attention understand it's not the gear that creates the pub stomping, it's the teamwork.
OTOH, if they implement matchmaking based on things like K/D, we'll end up with either matches full of tards running around solo with no clue how to play the game, and never really having any incentive to learn how to play because they aren't going up against anyone with a clue. Furthermore, all the logi's and dropship pilots (well, I say "all," but it's not like there's a whole lot of either) will be stuck playing with the rejects. Furthermore, the higher end matches will all be Assault ARs, Contact Grenades, Redline Tanks, and Snipers.
I'm not convinced Matchmaking won't cause just as many problems as it solves, and won't really help new players actually improve. |
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richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:30:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:It depends on how they implement matchmaking. If it's simply based on a player's SP totals, groups of players can just create alts and continue to pub stomp as normal. Anyone who pays attention understand it's not the gear that creates the pub stomping, it's the teamwork.
OTOH, if they implement matchmaking based on things like K/D, we'll end up with either matches full of tards running around solo with no clue how to play the game, and never really having any incentive to learn how to play because they aren't going up against anyone with a clue. Furthermore, all the logi's and dropship pilots (well, I say "all," but it's not like there's a whole lot of either) will be stuck playing with the rejects. Furthermore, the higher end matches will all be Assault ARs, Contact Grenades, Redline Tanks, and Snipers.
I'm not convinced Matchmaking won't cause just as many problems as it solves, and won't really help new players actually improve.
This is a game.
If some scrub wants shoot at the mcc without some dude running up behind him in a proto assault and duvolle i'm all for it. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
325
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:31:00 -
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Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo) |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:37:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo)
So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2702
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:45:00 -
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Here is the problem, CCP has always stated that matchmaking was being addressed, but every build showed otherwise. I support CCP in a lot of things, but matchmaking is one of the few things that I can't really say I currently like. At the bright side, the spawn mechanic has been mostly fixed. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1764
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:46:00 -
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Hoping it actually works this time so they can get some good data on what needs to be buffed and what needs to be nerfed. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
371
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:47:00 -
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really unknown one wrote:I'll be rich in my militia stater fit i tell ya! RICH!
If CCP lets high SP players in militia gear run around stomping new players with low SP then matchmaking will have failed.
SP levels gives far more power then gear does. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1640
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:10:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:It depends on how they implement matchmaking. If it's simply based on a player's SP totals, groups of players can just create alts and continue to pub stomp as normal. Anyone who pays attention understand it's not the gear that creates the pub stomping, it's the teamwork.
OTOH, if they implement matchmaking based on things like K/D, we'll end up with either matches full of tards running around solo with no clue how to play the game, and never really having any incentive to learn how to play because they aren't going up against anyone with a clue. Furthermore, all the logi's and dropship pilots (well, I say "all," but it's not like there's a whole lot of either) will be stuck playing with the rejects. Furthermore, the higher end matches will all be Assault ARs, Contact Grenades, Redline Tanks, and Snipers.
I'm not convinced Matchmaking won't cause just as many problems as it solves, and won't really help new players actually improve. This is a game. If some scrub wants shoot at the mcc without some dude running up behind him in a proto assault and duvolle i'm all for it.
I'm not sure how this relates to anything I posted.
Matchmaking based on SP will literally not help what you are describing in any way.
I suppose matchmaking based on some sort of stat analysis would help that clueless player who wishes not to actually play the game, but is that really the person we are looking to help out with match making? Is that the goal of the people clamoring for match making? I don't believe it is.
The people asking for better matchmaking want it to help curb the "protostomping," which, in reality is just "pubstomping". The Gear has almost absolutely nothing to do with pubstomping, and "protostomping" is a bit of a misnomer. The fact that the players who work as a team and pubstomp are in protogear is really just a side effect of the fact that they pubstomp as a team. Playing the game the way it was designed to be played leads to good results, which means more SP, which means better gear.
Those same players could put on militia gear and still be about 95% effective at pubstomping, because again, it has much more to do with game familiarity and team play than what you're wearing.
So again, although using some sort of statitstical analysis of a players K/D and other similiar stats would make it easier for terrible players to rope themselves off into their own little kiddie pool, it doesn't really address any of the actual concerns that are leading to the cries for better match making in the first place.
Furthermore, like I already touched on, "improving" the match making would most likely come with problems of it's own (and knowing CCPs track record with their "improvements", it would be a real toss up whether the net result would be better or worse).
You'd still have players of high skill, who just happen to focus on things other than whatever stats the match making tracks, stuck with the terrible players, and all of the new players who don't yet have the stats to get into the "proper" matches would be turned off with the terrible/pointless gameplay they would be thrust into. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
327
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:12:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo) So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV? I'd be the one destroying the LAV lol (I'm dedicated AV) |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:17:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo) So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV? I'd be the one destroying the LAV lol (I'm dedicated AV) not if its a LLAV |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
329
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:19:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo) So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV? I'd be the one destroying the LAV lol (I'm dedicated AV) not if its a LLAV I've destroy those everyday. (Either destroy them with swarms or shoot them out of drivers seat and steal LLAV)
Oh yea before the match ends drive their LLAV into the redline to destroy it. |
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
116
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:21:00 -
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Yes.looking forward to better match making. No more (at least not a lot) dumb blueberries. But I won't be able to fly my DS due to red line tanks and proto forge guns :( |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:21:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Really all I want is a solo game mode. (I love playing solo) So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV? I'd be the one destroying the LAV lol (I'm dedicated AV) not if its a LLAV I've destroy those everyday. (Either destroy them with swarms or shoot them out of drivers seat and steal LLAV) Oh yea before the match ends drive their LLAV into the redline to destroy it.
fine ill just spam my bpo fit bpo saga :P |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
329
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:22:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:
So no squads or you just cruising in a LAV?
I'd be the one destroying the LAV lol (I'm dedicated AV) not if its a LLAV I've destroy those everyday. (Either destroy them with swarms or shoot them out of drivers seat and steal LLAV) Oh yea before the match ends drive their LLAV into the redline to destroy it. fine ill just spam my bpo fit bpo saga :P Ok then I'll just keep on OHK'ing you with my swarms. |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:25:00 -
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Quote:fine ill just spam my bpo fit bpo saga :P
Quote:OK then I'll just keep on OHK'ing you with my swarms. i can take just over 2 proto swarms then i bail and get another guess everybody wins you get to farm free wp and i get to ram my lav up proto asses |
richiesutie 2
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:30:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Yes.looking forward to better match making. No more (at least not a lot) dumb blueberries. But I won't be able to fly my DS due to red line tanks and proto forge guns :(
yh thats defiantly a downside i really believe that forge guns should have a sway mechanism that moves more proportionally to the angle of the forge gun |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
329
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:41:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Quote:fine ill just spam my bpo fit bpo saga :P Quote:OK then I'll just keep on OHK'ing you with my swarms. i can take just over 2 proto swarms then i bail and get another guess everybody wins you get to farm free wp and i get to ram my lav up proto asses I have proto swarms with proficiency at 3 and always have 3 complex dmg mods |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2041
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:43:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:There is match making. It requires more players to work properly though.
What we need is militia only mode.
that is OP |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
117
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:56:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Tony Calif wrote:There is match making. It requires more players to work properly though.
What we need is militia only mode. that is OP Bro. Like dude... If we had that game mode... Like.... It will feel more war like because like.... Dude it's balanced.... And like, it would take team work to take out 1 tank... BRO... It would take teamwork to kill a heavy dude, a ******* heavy holy **** dude. And like... Dude, drop ships brah, in the air... Dropping People off cause like, no more 1 shooting dude, so ******* balanced dude I'm high right now |
Svipdagr Hero
Neanderthal Nation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.17 02:01:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:It depends on how they implement matchmaking. If it's simply based on a player's SP totals, groups of players can just create alts and continue to pub stomp as normal. Anyone who pays attention understand it's not the gear that creates the pub stomping, it's the teamwork.
OTOH, if they implement matchmaking based on things like K/D, we'll end up with either matches full of tards running around solo with no clue how to play the game, and never really having any incentive to learn how to play because they aren't going up against anyone with a clue. Furthermore, all the logi's and dropship pilots (well, I say "all," but it's not like there's a whole lot of either) will be stuck playing with the rejects. Furthermore, the higher end matches will all be Assault ARs, Contact Grenades, Redline Tanks, and Snipers.
I'm not convinced Matchmaking won't cause just as many problems as it solves, and won't really help new players actually improve. This is a game. If some scrub wants shoot at the mcc without some dude running up behind him in a proto assault and duvolle i'm all for it. I'm not sure how this relates to anything I posted. Matchmaking based on SP will literally not help what you are describing in any way. I suppose matchmaking based on some sort of stat analysis would help that clueless player who wishes not to actually play the game, but is that really the person we are looking to help out with match making? Is that the goal of the people clamoring for match making? I don't believe it is. The people asking for better matchmaking want it to help curb the "protostomping," which, in reality is just "pubstomping". The Gear has almost absolutely nothing to do with pubstomping, and "protostomping" is a bit of a misnomer. The fact that the players who work as a team and pubstomp are in protogear is really just a side effect of the fact that they pubstomp as a team. Playing the game the way it was designed to be played leads to good results, which means more SP, which means better gear. Those same players could put on militia gear and still be about 95% effective at pubstomping, because again, it has much more to do with game familiarity and team play than what you're wearing. So again, although using some sort of statitstical analysis of a players K/D and other similiar stats would make it easier for terrible players to rope themselves off into their own little kiddie pool, it doesn't really address any of the actual concerns that are leading to the cries for better match making in the first place. Furthermore, like I already touched on, "improving" the match making would most likely come with problems of it's own (and knowing CCPs track record with their "improvements", it would be a real toss up whether the net result would be better or worse). You'd still have players of high skill, who just happen to focus on things other than whatever stats the match making tracks, stuck with the terrible players, and all of the new players who don't yet have the stats to get into the "proper" matches would be turned off with the terrible/pointless gameplay they would be thrust into.
haha no. I would love to believe this, and I have experienced really good games with less than proto gear... But you are suggesting that gear and sp are something less than 10 percent towards the cause of winning in a game in the face of teamwork. I do believe you can pull great games with teamwork... However this is parodically incorrect.
The only way to show your faulty logic is by comparing extremes, or a control group against that of a variable group.
Group A - control group with excellent teamwork all militia. vs Group B - variable group militia with no teamwork.
Group A vs Group C - variable group proto with no teamwork.
Group A vs Group D - variable group proto with excellent teamwork (protos run in groups more often making this test more likely)
I urge you to answer your own hypothesis for yourself.
With SP matchmaking or stat based, Group A can gradually meet Group D if they are worthy. On a more specific note, my advanced tank can take over 5 or 6 A/Vs lower than proto... That's a squad... That's teamwork... And in the end my crew of 2 -3 waxed them and the rest of their team they were guarding.
Please note, in a perfect game your theory holds true. But this isn't perfect, nor is it meant to be... It is meant to be an MMO where time and effort give the upper hand... How it should be. Meet you all on the battlefield. |
Wrath Red-Feather
G I A N T EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.06.17 02:07:00 -
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The only thing I want to know is how will match making be preformed? They said it was going to be gear based, right? Does that mean one proto type item and you are thrown in with the big dogs or will it be several proto type suits, weapons and modules. What will get you in the other tiers? |
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