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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:31:00 -
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Whatever happened to that? The program has been around for awhile now, and supposedly they track if our recruits continued playing/etc. The details to come on that...
Quote: We'll be sharing more details about Recruiter rewards soon.
That page has said that since January? Is half a year for details (not content) typical? |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
97
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:34:00 -
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Do you people just scour your memories to find something new to make a thread bitching about? |
sammus420
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
99
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:36:00 -
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I for one am glad someone is calling CCP out on their lies. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
307
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:40:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:I for one am glad someone is calling CCP out on their lies. By lies you mean they have better things to work on then something which you can get by simply making multiple psn accounts. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:47:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:sammus420 wrote:I for one am glad someone is calling CCP out on their lies. By lies you mean they have better things to work on then something which you can get by simply making multiple psn accounts.
I'm not really talking about "lies" per se, I'd just like to know what's happening with that. Supposedly different people work on many of these things anyway. They cite somethings about multiple PSN accounts as well:
Quote: Abusing the Recruiter Program is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case-by-case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to, farming gifts and making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.
and
Quote: CCP reserves the right to restrict eligibility for some rewards according to criteria established by CCP in its sole discretion, and published by CCP from time-to-time, including but not limited to minimum client log-in time of the inviter.
or even
Quote: The Recruiter Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join DUST 514. Violating the purpose of the Recruiter Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by DUST 514 Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts).
As for scouring my memory: It's featured prominently on the Dust site. The recruit program is hardly some sort of stealth initiative. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
308
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:52:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:sammus420 wrote:I for one am glad someone is calling CCP out on their lies. By lies you mean they have better things to work on then something which you can get by simply making multiple psn accounts. I'm not really talking about "lies" per se, I'd just like to know what's happening with that. Supposedly different people work on many of these things anyway. They cite somethings about multiple PSN accounts as well: Quote: Abusing the Recruiter Program is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case-by-case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to, farming gifts and making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.
and Quote: CCP reserves the right to restrict eligibility for some rewards according to criteria established by CCP in its sole discretion, and published by CCP from time-to-time, including but not limited to minimum client log-in time of the inviter.
As for scouring my memory: It's featured prominently on the Dust site. The recruit program is hardly some sort of stealth initiative. Yes all games that have recruiter programs like this put that there. Most of them don't take any actions though unless it is 100% obvious that they did that. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
799
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:19:00 -
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Nor would you want them to be overly punitive in pursuing things like this.
The reward system, as near as I can figure, is meant to garner some sort of "recruiter credit". You can then redeem that for recruiter items, which I assume are STD or MLT quality (or possibly somewhere in between like the Recruit AR). This is speculation on my part though.
I base this on the existence of various items in the "csv" file they released with uprising:
Staff Recruiter Sniper Rifle Staff Recruiter Scrambler Pistol Staff Recruiter Militia Frame Staff Recruiter Laser Rifle Staff Recruiter Assault Rifle Staff Recruiter Active Booster (7-Day) Staff Recruiter Active Booster (3-Day) Staff Recruiter Active Booster (30-Day) Staff Recruiter Active Booster (1-Day) Staff Recruiter Active Booster (15-Day)
and
Senior Recruiter Light Assault Vehicle Senior Recruiter Assault C-I
AND
Master Recruiter Assault C-II
Though there are also the oddities of:
Recruit Submachine Gun Recruit Militia Frame
Not sure how a recruit would be getting those... not like there's a mechanism to get "more recruited".
The meta level on the staff recruiter stuff is 0.
On the other hand, the Master Recruiter (the only "master" item) is Meta Level 2. It actually has kinda interesting stats:
315 Shields 72 Armor 165 cpu 33 pg 5.1 m/s movement
compared to a regular Caldari tier 1:
210 Shields 120 Armor 150 cpu 30 pg 5.0 m/s movement
Intriguing, no?
So it's less, "WHARGARBBLL-DUST-SUX-I-GO-PLAY-HOPSCOTCH-NOW", and more... this seemed like an interesting system for providing some unique items and incentivizing recruiting. It's been about half a year since we heard about it though. They apparently have made items related to the system. Perhaps they could fill us in on where that's actually at now though. Reading items in a csv file doesn't constitute news.. nor does my speculation. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:26:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Whatever happened to that? The program has been around for awhile now, and supposedly they track if our recruits continued playing/etc. The details to come on that... Quote: We'll be sharing more details about Recruiter rewards soon.
That page has said that since January? Is half a year for details (not content) typical? I try not to inflict misery on my friends. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
800
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:36:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:Whatever happened to that? The program has been around for awhile now, and supposedly they track if our recruits continued playing/etc. The details to come on that... Quote: We'll be sharing more details about Recruiter rewards soon.
That page has said that since January? Is half a year for details (not content) typical? I try not to inflict misery on my friends.
I'll admit that while I don't consider myself "down on Dust", that the friends I have given recruit links to, I've recommended they make a character and then wait for some issues to get fixed. This comes from describing known issues (memory leak, characters not rendering at distance, hit detection), and suggesting they might enjoy it more "later" when resetting periodically isn't something necessary for solid performance - and some core shooting mechanics are a bit more reliable. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
56
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:41:00 -
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A sniper bpo would be nice without me having to pay -ú40 for the merc pack. never heard anything back from the recruit scheme either. setup many of my friends with it n never received anything |
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:47:00 -
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You couldn't pay me to recruit anyone into this game right now.
The shame would be too much. |
sammus420
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
101
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:47:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:You couldn't pay me to recruit anyone into this game right now.
The shame would be too much.
This man speaks the truth. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
800
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:51:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:A sniper bpo would be nice without me having to pay -ú40 for the merc pack. never heard anything back from the recruit scheme either. setup many of my friends with it n never received anything
If it's anything like the Recruit AR, it might be slightly better than militia in some respects, but not with the superior fitting of STD-level.
I like the "idea" of a lot of these weapons because most everything that gets released is identical. Every Assault BPO... a Caldari STD with identical stats and various colors. The various ARs: Toxin, Dren, Exile - all identical to a STD AR.
The Recruit AR was a little different though. Slightly more damage than a Militia AR (and likewise, slightly higher than STD). It's actually an item with different stats! It's variety! It's something more than "every BPO weapon is exactly the same" - either same as militia - or same as STD.
The Master Recruiter suit is interesting for the same reasons. It wouldn't be a reason to abandon proto, but it's... "different". Only "slightly" better than STD for being a "master".
I don't know. I like the idea of more granular differences in items. The recruit AR is a taste of that, but it's something we can give friends but not get for ourselves. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
672
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:53:00 -
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All the people I recruited left the game completely. Except for my brother who comes in from time to time. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:12:00 -
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I haven't recruited many people. But considering that it was supposed to be incentivized - it seems fair to ask how they've worked that out since the year started. The offer of "rewards" isn't a new thing, and it's still something plastered prominently on the webpage. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:14:00 -
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At some point GM told us that they keep track of recruiting and that rewards (better ones) will come for both sides. Sit back and relax :) |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
803
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:18:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:At some point GM told us that they keep track of recruiting and that rewards (better ones) will come for both sides. Sit back and relax :)
If you could find a link... I'd appreciate it. I haven't seen anything about it since it started really. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
188
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Posted - 2013.06.16 09:09:00 -
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See kids this is why you dont swallow latex |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
318
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Posted - 2013.06.16 09:10:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:See kids this is why you dont swallow latex Sorry but I only swallow lead. It tastes better. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
671
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Posted - 2013.06.16 10:56:00 -
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I have been putting that link in my video description since the NDA was lifted, and I even used to promote it, than heard no more about the recruitment system, so I stopped promoting the link. |
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 14:33:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:I have been putting that link in my video description since the NDA was lifted, and I even used to promote it, than heard no more about the recruitment system, so I stopped promoting the link.
I kinda assumed the New Eden videographers might be at the top of recruitment awards. It'd be interesting to see how that tumbled out anyway. |
Nikea Nei
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2013.06.16 16:56:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:I have been putting that link in my video description since the NDA was lifted, and I even used to promote it, than heard no more about the recruitment system, so I stopped promoting the link.
It seems like clearing this up could have benefits to CCP's free-advertising brigade then.
Zeylon Rho wrote:Nor would you want them to be overly punitive in pursuing things like this.
The reward system, as near as I can figure, is meant to garner some sort of "recruiter credit". You can then redeem that for recruiter items, which I assume are STD or MLT quality (or possibly somewhere in between like the Recruit AR). This is speculation on my part though.
I base this on the existence of various items in the "csv" file they released with uprising:
[...]
On the other hand, the Master Recruiter (the only "master" item) is Meta Level 2. It actually has kinda interesting stats:
315 Shields 72 Armor 165 cpu 33 pg 5.1 m/s movement
compared to a regular Caldari tier 1:
210 Shields 120 Armor 150 cpu 30 pg 5.0 m/s movement
Intriguing, no?
I would like that suit. Higher than average shields, even with the basic powergrid and cpu. Mixing up suits with slightly different variants seems cool. I wonder what sort of effort is intended for "master recruiting". |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:37:00 -
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The fact it has higher than average EHP is intriguing. Even with a tier 1 set of slots, you could have an interesting setup there. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:38:00 -
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Your reward- someone to fight by your side |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.17 06:51:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Your reward- someone to fight by your side
It's a nice reward, but clearly not their intent as per the items in the database. |
Jen Gelfling
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:19:00 -
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I think the wait has been long enough that they could probably inform us on how it's going to work at least. |
Nikea Nei
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:26:00 -
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More interesting than Gallente AUR items I would think. Though the AUR proto suits are new I think. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:40:00 -
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In my mind details that are "coming soon" come faster than this. |
Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
34
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:10:00 -
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Clearly, recruit rifle wielding hordes would crush us all if this went through. |
Planetside2 FreeonPS4
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:52:00 -
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Planetside 2 PS4 |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1985
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:58:00 -
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Planetside2 FreeonPS4 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2nWNZfKFSI |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
843
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:22:00 -
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Kelrie Nae'bre wrote:Clearly, recruit rifle wielding hordes would crush us all if this went through.
I actually really like the recruit rifle. As mentioned, it's "different" from the militia and standard. It's variety. It's part of the reason I'm interested in the recruiter rewards. |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
29
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:54:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:I for one am glad someone is calling CCP out on their lies.
people call CCP out on their **** constantly, they just get banned and you see less of the threads because thats how you deal with community feedback, you ban them :) |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
29
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:58:00 -
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[/quote] Yes all games that have recruiter programs like this put that there. Most of them don't take any actions though unless it is 100% obvious that they did that.[/quote]
Yes all games that have recruiter programs like this put that there. Most of them take actions because they're not lazy.* |
Dehlia Metii
not in a corporation
14
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Posted - 2013.06.18 17:21:00 -
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Considering the stuff in that file is mostly Meta 0, it's not like we're missing game-changers. It's more like we're missing goodwill gestures. It's the sort thing that's useful when a community gets ornery. |
Planetside2 Bomber
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 04:17:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air
NC Montage
Factions Explained |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
871
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Posted - 2013.06.19 04:45:00 -
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It's been a long time since I've seen CCP reference it. It's not the sort of thing I recall being mentioned at fanfest, with the uprising launch, or at E3 for example. |
Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
39
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Posted - 2013.06.19 09:33:00 -
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It has been awhile, yes. |
Bonesaw Jeff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 09:43:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:I for one am glad someone is calling CCP out on their lies.
How dare you besmirch the good reputation of CCP.
The only way to settle this is by Death Race. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
680
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Posted - 2013.06.19 09:51:00 -
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So a suit better in every way minus slightly less armor (on a shield tank suit) is intriguing? From what I see, this is Recruit 2 Win. |
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
82
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Posted - 2013.06.19 09:52:00 -
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Basing off the replies in this thread, I would hazard a guess and say that if CCP suddenly announced that they were giving out recruiter rewards tomorrow, the new whine threads on the forums would look like this:
1. WAAAA CCP NEVER SAID EARLIER THAT THEY WERE GIVING REWARDS, IT'S NOT FAIR 2. WAAAAA THE REWARDS ARE OP!! PLIZ NERF! 3. WAAA THE REWARDS ARE UP!!! PLZ BUFF 4. CCP HURRY UP AND FIX THE GAME STOP WASTING TIME ON REWARDS 5. I RECRUITED PEOPLE AND ALL I GOT WAS XXXXX ITEM? WTFFFF CCCCCCCCPPPPPPPPP |
The Black Art
Pro Hic Immortalis
135
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Posted - 2013.06.19 09:53:00 -
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I totally forgot about this TBH. This also reminds me of the compensation owed to us for the downtime. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
932
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:19:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:I totally forgot about this TBH. This also reminds me of the compensation owed to us for the downtime.
I think that was determined to be a 1-day Active Booster actually. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3902
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:23:00 -
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I would love to promote this game all over the place, but as is, there's no way I will do that. My link is floating around and I've handed it out to a couple people, but not being able to track your stats and not really giving any kind of meaningful connection between you and your recruit is meh.
I for one would love to see an affiliate system of some sort. Every time a direct referral of yours purchases AUR, you get like, 10% of whatever they purchased in AUR as well. Give us a way to initially contact our recruits, like a section in game that shows us our people, and shows them us (either side can opt out whenever they like to be removed from someones list) |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
932
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I would love to promote this game all over the place, but as is, there's no way I will do that. My link is floating around and I've handed it out to a couple people, but not being able to track your stats and not really giving any kind of meaningful connection between you and your recruit is meh.
I for one would love to see an affiliate system of some sort. Every time a direct referral of yours purchases AUR, you get like, 10% of whatever they purchased in AUR as well. Give us a way to initially contact our recruits, like a section in game that shows us our people, and shows them us (either side can opt out whenever they like to be removed from someones list)
Since the recruit rewards exist largely in an in between area around militia and standard, something that worked AUR use by recruits into the equation is interesting. It means people wanting to the exploit the system would have to dump money into the economy to get weapons they could probably get better versions of directly by buying Merc packs and the like (since Merc packs have STD weapons).
Of course, you'd probably want more to the recruit mechanic than just that, otherwise if you recruit a lot of consistent players that weren't buying Aurum - no rewards.
If they do give us "recruiter credit" or "recruiter points" to redeem for items, that might indirectly let us track out recruiting stats I guess.
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
936
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:12:00 -
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Always a good time to answer this question, devs. |
Fredrikson Revel
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:17:00 -
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Bumping for answers.
Ccp hello |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
941
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:26:00 -
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For Great Justice |
Dustin TheTrash
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:08:00 -
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I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns
Please leave comment if you agree.
Thanks |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
943
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:25:00 -
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I'd prefer my concerns were addressed without the random Planetside spam really. Planetside is already out, and it's horrible. It's on a different platform anyway. It's like trolling Halo fans with Resistance footage: it's not a PS3 game, it sucks for PC, and the PS4 doesn't exist yet. It's totally irrelevant to asking about Dust issues. You might as well go make those posts on Kirby Gamefaqs boards - it makes the same amount of sense. |
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Terry Turner
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:53:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:I'd prefer my concerns were addressed without the random Planetside spam really. Planetside is already out, and it's horrible. It's on a different platform anyway. It's like trolling Halo fans with Resistance footage: it's not a PS3 game, it sucks for PC, and the PS4 doesn't exist yet. It's totally irrelevant to asking about Dust issues. You might as well go make those posts on Kirby Gamefaqs boards - it makes the same amount of sense.
What is your point?
Anyways what were the recruiter rewards? |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
944
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:14:00 -
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The point is that the spam detracts from the topic and is pointless at the same time. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
946
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:08:00 -
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Feel free to answer at any time. |
Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
39
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Posted - 2013.06.24 05:20:00 -
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While not as important as bugs, I'd like to know what's going on with this. Surely some decision was made in the past half-year (and presumably before that since I doubt there was zero plan before you launched it). |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
989
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:02:00 -
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Kelrie Nae'bre wrote:While not as important as bugs, I'd like to know what's going on with this. Surely some decision was made in the past half-year (and presumably before that since I doubt there was zero plan before you launched it).
I'm not particularly interested in them stopping work on every other task to implement recruiter awards. It's more a matter of:
A) They've already put "reward" items of a sort in the game. So, the content is created I guess.
B) Presumably they have some sort of scheme on how those would be distributed. Even if it's not going live for a month or two, it would be "nice" to just be told how it's going to go down in short. |
Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
39
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Posted - 2013.06.26 09:44:00 -
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It's a hot potato topic. |
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