Thats why sniper rifles are broken, the charge sniper costs 2500 ISK. Why is it that the most expensive sniper rifle in the game is 30000 ISK cheaper than the most expensive AR. Sniping has the MOST SURVIVABILITY of all the infantry weapons yet its costs are the same as other infantry weapons. Also the only officer weapon that is viable to use is the thale because there is such a low risk in sniping. I know this will upset snipers but its true, the sniper rifles should be a lot more expensive atleast twice that of the ARs and the likelihood of getting thales should go down.

This isn't a QQ about sniping I have plenty of ehp and I rarely get sniped, my point is solely about the economics of sniping.

Brilliant deduction, Holmes. Find a spot where enemies will cluster and fire at them from a distance? You don't say!

try sitting in the MCC too... I hear thats awesome

Even if you did increase the ISK value of sniper rifles, as you stated, snipers (at least good ones) rarely die and if they do, maybe once a match.

Other than increasing their monthly cost of buying in their rifles, you're not really going to affect them, it's not like an AR, where you can lose 15 a match.

SR's aren't broken, it is simply because the majority of players refuse to put down their AR and counter snipe, that is the root of their problems.

If 2 or 3 players decided to counter snipe, any self caring sniper is going to be over the hills, to the nearest supply depot and running with the rest of the team.

Nah, I hate that crap, if you can't play the game properly, then you should GTFO :P

Thats everyone's response when it comes to sniping and vehicles, If we got more SP or SP cost were lowered then you're right but the problem is that we can't specialize in multiple areas because of SP costs. Do you really expect people to put their SP into snipers to counter snipe, AV to deal with vehicles, and what their preferred method of play is. I am in a large corp so when I'm in a squad there are guys who are these different specialties, my point is for those players who don't have that luxury. Why should I put down my AR when I'm putting up 20 kills while reviving teammates, providing ammo, and repairing people just so I can take care of one guy on the other team who isn't even in the field of battle?

Your point of view is every ones point of view, why should we be penalized because people won't adapt?

I personally have AR skill at lv.5 and proficiency 1, as a back up.

I never moan if someone sneaks up and kills me, I just switch to a Duvolle and join the charge.

I have spent the SP so that I am flexible, it is each players choice how they spend theirs.

Because the SP costs of "adapting" are ridiculous, not all of us have 10mil+ SP.

the likelihood of getting thales should go down.

I hate MCC snipers.

Thats why sniper rifles are broken, the charge sniper costs 2500 ISK. Why is it that the most expensive sniper rifle in the game is 30000 ISK cheaper than the most expensive AR. Sniping has the MOST SURVIVABILITY of all the infantry weapons yet its costs are the same as other infantry weapons. Also the only officer weapon that is viable to use is the thale because there is such a low risk in sniping. I know this will upset snipers but its true, the sniper rifles should be a lot more expensive atleast twice that of the ARs and the likelihood of getting thales should go down.

This isn't a QQ about sniping I have plenty of ehp and I rarely get sniped, my point is solely about the economics of sniping.

The problem with snipers is that only 1 in 5 (heck 1 in 20) snipers are actually a team asset who help win a match, the rest are just a waste of friggin' oxygen who sit at the bottom of the board with a 2/0 KDR. Well done sir!

A good player changes around his class depending on what's needed, a camper is a blight on his team.

I'd like to see a game where no such class existed to teach people how to play to team objectives.

You say blight, I say asset. We may only have that 2/0 K/D ourselves, but you're forgetting how much we add to our squad-mates' K/D by providing overwatch intel. I've even gone matches where I didn't take a single shot, but gave my squad constant info on enemy movements and prime orbital locations. I can give them head counts, suit types, shield/armor status, all without them having to expose themselves until they're ready to pounce.

As a sniper I have to say this.... DOMINATION IS BORING!!!!!!! Here my reason why I say this. Reason #1. domination is most of the time 1 sided, Reason #2. most sniper just camp behind the red zone *Sigh* Reason #3. So long!!! what the point if you beating them bad and now they camp behind the red zone :c Reason #4. Mcc sniper, not on top, but inside DX!!!!!!!! My favorite mode is ambush as a sniper, I love the thrill of running around as a assault with my sniper sometimes and dying. I barely get hate mail *I've gotten 2 hate mail throughout the course of me playing dust* most of the time I get *TY!! You save my suit* that why I play ambush :) ALSO!!! I started sniping in ambush ^.^ Anyways, this post been going to long, so... YESH!!! o7

Nah, I hate that crap, if you can't play the game properly, then you should GTFO :P

Regarding some of the comments about the ISK cost of sniper rifles, increasing the cost would make being a close support sniper/marksmen less viable. High ISK costs for sniper rifles would pigeonhole anyone using one into a redline/overwatch role. On more "urban" maps, I spend alot of time using a tac sniping rifle/smg and following just behind a squad to provide accurate fire to somewhat more distant targets or covering access routes from fairly close up. In both cases, it is possible to die a bit more than I might sniping from farther off.

In MAG, we could team-kill redline / MCC equivalent snipers. This often solved the problem. Equiping a sniper rifle makes you vulnerable to friendly fire in all game modes. Problem solved.

Or, make a decent FPS and take them out all together. Snipers DO NOT help their teams. For every froum hero sniper who thinks they are winning the game with their "intel" and "tactical support" you're not. You are deluding yourself. Maybe in the entire community there are one or two such demi gods, but no, you're not. You just aren't. You are a waste of space and should be ashamed. Let me knife you when I know you're being terrible or get in the fight where you can actually help. And give us real ranges on our weapons. Muskets can fire further than current Dust ARs (not as accurately, but further all the same). Make me acocunt for drop and drift and all that, but use real bullet distances or write a SUPER convincing fluff piece about why they wont travel more than 100 yards.

Love all the stats.. 95% this, 20% that. quit making up numbers and just state your opinions and move on.

I love sniping, started a few weeks ago... never sit in the redline but I definetely like to perch myself up where only a dropship can come get me. Eff your nova knives :)

I was surprised at how inexpensive the charge rifle is. It doesnt do too well taking out proto suits, but it certainly is a newb slayer.

And if you **** me off, I will bring out my proto forge gun to crush some ants :)

I can say I hate 95% of all snipers it's my percentage >.<

Your post is full of fail. You know nothing and again what is up with you forum warriors (yes I am pointing at you Fearless Speech) who make up statistics like its your job? Do you have a spreadsheet with all the snipers in this game to provide evidence of your "one or two demigod" claim? Who are these demi-gods, and is there a website where I can sign up to worship them?

I have locked down entire sections of a map, covered a panel and prevented several hack attempts, provided an elevated uplink with nanohives for my teammates to spawn in, called out tanks and infantry movement, went 22-1 kdr (1 death came from me suiciding out of my nest fitting after I landed MY dropship that I called in to get there), top in war points, victory... yet I am not helping my team?

effing tool

Because the SP costs of "adapting" are ridiculous, not all of us have 10mil+ SP.

Short on time?

Short on skill?

Purchase AUR today!

Please remember suicide in public areas is strictly prohibited.

Then maybe you're the one good one. Congrats. You are not worth the drain on the community the rest of the snipers present. I don't need to "make up statisitcs" to state that MOST snipers are USELESS. Everyone knows this. This is why most peopel don't rage that mucha bout enemey snipers: we know they aren't helping their teams. If your'e doing so well, you won't get team killed, you aren't impacted by this change.

EDIT: Or we can make it 100% Fair. All targets behind redline are freindly-fire eligible. Then its not just sniper terribads getting offed.

You kind of contradict yourself in this post. If redline snipers are useless, nobody rages about them and they arent helping their team that is a good thing if you are on the team opposing them right?... so why the need for redline team killing? In a random pub match, there would be equal chances of these so-called useless snipers being on both sides.

You honestly think by adding a team killing element in the red line it would help this game progress? Do you know how much griefing would take place in this game if that were to happen? Friendly Fire is active in PC battles to add an element of difficulty. This works primarily because PC is run by a group of people who are out to win without the worry of griefing. Awox'ing aside, it works there... but definetley would not work in a random pub matches. Human nature and anonymity are the cause, some people just want to watch the world burn.

People do rage about getting sniped. I would venture a guess that THE MOST rage comes from being killed by a sniper (aside from DTAC QQ) at least from my personal observations. Why? Because they are difficult to counter unless you have a good sniper on your team or other strategies in place to take them out. I am not surprised by these types of post, when people cant figure out how to counter something they generally scream nerf.