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ER-Bullitt
Elements Of Death Elite Omega Commission
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:06:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:In MAG, we could team-kill redline / MCC equivalent snipers. This often solved the problem. Equiping a sniper rifle makes you vulnerable to friendly fire in all game modes. Problem solved.
Or, make a decent FPS and take them out all together. Snipers DO NOT help their teams. For every froum hero sniper who thinks they are winning the game with their "intel" and "tactical support" you're not. You are deluding yourself. Maybe in the entire community there are one or two such demi gods, but no, you're not. You just aren't. You are a waste of space and should be ashamed. Let me knife you when I know you're being terrible or get in the fight where you can actually help. And give us real ranges on our weapons. Muskets can fire further than current Dust ARs (not as accurately, but further all the same). Make me acocunt for drop and drift and all that, but use real bullet distances or write a SUPER convincing fluff piece about why they wont travel more than 100 yards.
Your post is full of fail. You know nothing and again what is up with you forum warriors (yes I am pointing at you Fearless Speech) who make up statistics like its your job? Do you have a spreadsheet with all the snipers in this game to provide evidence of your "one or two demigod" claim? Who are these demi-gods, and is there a website where I can sign up to worship them? effing tool |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:12:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Love all the stats.. 95% this, 20% that. quit making up numbers and just state your opinions and move on.
I love sniping, started a few weeks ago... never sit in the redline but I definetely like to perch myself up where only a dropship can come get me. Eff your nova knives :)
I was surprised at how inexpensive the charge rifle is. It doesnt do too well taking out proto suits, but it certainly is a newb slayer.
And if you **** me off, I will bring out my proto forge gun to crush some ants :)
I can say I hate 95% of all snipers it's my percentage >.< |
ER-Bullitt
Elements Of Death Elite Omega Commission
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:14:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Love all the stats.. 95% this, 20% that. quit making up numbers and just state your opinions and move on.
I love sniping, started a few weeks ago... never sit in the redline but I definetely like to perch myself up where only a dropship can come get me. Eff your nova knives :)
I was surprised at how inexpensive the charge rifle is. It doesnt do too well taking out proto suits, but it certainly is a newb slayer.
And if you **** me off, I will bring out my proto forge gun to crush some ants :) I can say I hate 95% of all snipers it's my percentage >.<
I will give you my permission as a self appointed demi-god to make this post. Carry on. |
Fearless Speech
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:43:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Fearless Speech wrote:In MAG, we could team-kill redline / MCC equivalent snipers. This often solved the problem. Equiping a sniper rifle makes you vulnerable to friendly fire in all game modes. Problem solved.
Or, make a decent FPS and take them out all together. Snipers DO NOT help their teams. For every froum hero sniper who thinks they are winning the game with their "intel" and "tactical support" you're not. You are deluding yourself. Maybe in the entire community there are one or two such demi gods, but no, you're not. You just aren't. You are a waste of space and should be ashamed. Let me knife you when I know you're being terrible or get in the fight where you can actually help. And give us real ranges on our weapons. Muskets can fire further than current Dust ARs (not as accurately, but further all the same). Make me acocunt for drop and drift and all that, but use real bullet distances or write a SUPER convincing fluff piece about why they wont travel more than 100 yards. Your post is full of fail. You know nothing and again what is up with you forum warriors (yes I am pointing at you Fearless Speech) who make up statistics like its your job? Do you have a spreadsheet with all the snipers in this game to provide evidence of your "one or two demigod" claim? Who are these demi-gods, and is there a website where I can sign up to worship them? I have locked down entire sections of a map, covered a panel and prevented several hack attempts, provided an elevated uplink with nanohives for my teammates to spawn in, called out tanks and infantry movement, went 22-1 kdr (1 death came from me suiciding out of my nest fitting after I landed MY dropship that I called in to get there), top in war points, victory... yet I am not helping my team? effing tool
Then maybe you're the one good one. Congrats. You are not worth the drain on the community the rest of the snipers present. I don't need to "make up statisitcs" to state that MOST snipers are USELESS. Everyone knows this. This is why most peopel don't rage that mucha bout enemey snipers: we know they aren't helping their teams. If your'e doing so well, you won't get team killed, you aren't impacted by this change. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3860
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:50:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Because the SP costs of "adapting" are ridiculous, not all of us have 10mil+ SP. Short on time?
Short on skill?
Purchase AUR today!
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Fearless Speech
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Because the SP costs of "adapting" are ridiculous, not all of us have 10mil+ SP. Short on time? Short on skill? Purchase AUR today!
Please remember suicide in public areas is strictly prohibited. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3860
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:53:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:Please remember suicide in public areas is strictly prohibited. Yea, especially since they had time to FIX MY DEATH CORNER
Still can't fix that Tram though. It's ok, it's a loldari warbarge, so it makes sense |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:57:00 -
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Snipers can do what the hell they want. I hardly get killed by them. and if spotted by me they are 100% dead, as they are good at defending themselves as a AV player. Btw snipers... you give yourselves away to flanking scouts by your ammo drops. |
ER-Bullitt
Elements Of Death Elite Omega Commission
10
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:20:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote: Then maybe you're the one good one. Congrats. You are not worth the drain on the community the rest of the snipers present. I don't need to "make up statisitcs" to state that MOST snipers are USELESS. Everyone knows this. This is why most peopel don't rage that mucha bout enemey snipers: we know they aren't helping their teams. If your'e doing so well, you won't get team killed, you aren't impacted by this change.
EDIT: Or we can make it 100% Fair. All targets behind redline are freindly-fire eligible. Then its not just sniper terribads getting offed.
You kind of contradict yourself in this post. If redline snipers are useless, nobody rages about them and they arent helping their team that is a good thing if you are on the team opposing them right?... so why the need for redline team killing? In a random pub match, there would be equal chances of these so-called useless snipers being on both sides.
You honestly think by adding a team killing element in the red line it would help this game progress? Do you know how much griefing would take place in this game if that were to happen? Friendly Fire is active in PC battles to add an element of difficulty. This works primarily because PC is run by a group of people who are out to win without the worry of griefing. Awox'ing aside, it works there... but definetley would not work in a random pub matches. Human nature and anonymity are the cause, some people just want to watch the world burn.
People do rage about getting sniped. I would venture a guess that THE MOST rage comes from being killed by a sniper (aside from DTAC QQ) at least from my personal observations. Why? Because they are difficult to counter unless you have a good sniper on your team or other strategies in place to take them out. I am not surprised by these types of post, when people cant figure out how to counter something they generally scream nerf. |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:51:00 -
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I snipe from wherever I see fit, MCC, Redline, behind blasters or railguns. The difference is communication with team. I let the team know of enemy movement, vehicle locations (tanks lavs, etc), defend capture point(s), cover fire for team and my favorite, sniper hunting. You are a useless sniper if you do not communicate with team or squad. A sniper should always have the high ground so he can see at least 75% of the battlefield at all times. A good sniper will usually get between 8 and 15 kills per match with a maximum of 2 deaths. Above that is very good if consistent, below that very useless. If you go more that 2 minutes without a kill, switch into a different fit to be useful to team.
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Fearless Speech
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:52:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Fearless Speech wrote: Then maybe you're the one good one. Congrats. You are not worth the drain on the community the rest of the snipers present. I don't need to "make up statisitcs" to state that MOST snipers are USELESS. Everyone knows this. This is why most peopel don't rage that mucha bout enemey snipers: we know they aren't helping their teams. If your'e doing so well, you won't get team killed, you aren't impacted by this change.
EDIT: Or we can make it 100% Fair. All targets behind redline are freindly-fire eligible. Then its not just sniper terribads getting offed.
You kind of contradict yourself in this post. If redline snipers are useless, nobody rages about them and they arent helping their team that is a good thing if you are on the team opposing them right?... so why the need for redline team killing? In a random pub match, there would be equal chances of these so-called useless snipers being on both sides. You honestly think by adding a team killing element in the red line it would help this game progress? Do you know how much griefing would take place in this game if that were to happen? Friendly Fire is active in PC battles to add an element of difficulty. This works primarily because PC is run by a group of people who are out to win without the worry of griefing. Awox'ing aside, it works there... but definetley would not work in a random pub matches. Human nature and anonymity are the cause, some people just want to watch the world burn. People do rage about getting sniped. I would venture a guess that THE MOST rage comes from being killed by a sniper (aside from DTAC QQ) at least from my personal observations. Why? Because they are difficult to counter unless you have a good sniper on your team or other strategies in place to take them out. I am not surprised by these types of post, when people cant figure out how to counter something they generally scream nerf.
Snipers are often useless on both teams, therefore I want to kill the ones on my team. I want red dots to kill their terribads as well so overall match quality will go up. And griefing was nearly non existant in MAG due to a built in five friendly kills in x time = kick feature. Red line & MCC snipers get knifed by their own team enough, the community will have voted and done. They'll stop being terribads. OR, you're right, no one minds them and no one will kill them and ... nothing changes no harm no foul. Pretty much the only way you get killed by a sniper is to get head shot, and honestly, if I'm on the move from cover to cover and you head shot me, hey man nice shot. Or if you're an aggressive sniper, come around a corner and head shot me... hey man nice shot. If you're that useless dude who is camped up in your red line taking pot shots at the near objective "defending" it, the rage is so much more about how I know one day you'll be on my team and just as useless. Snipers, in particular (though plenty of AR heros are this way) are obsessive over thier K/D in an objective based game (dom/sab, A is obvs different) so a few freindly kills dropping this to make them move up will be pretty motivating.
I admit to you that snipers can have a valuable tactical role. That role, however, is rarely actually played by bludedot snipers, and the number of snipers way out numbers the useful number of peopel in that role. More over, a heavy AR hero standing on the objective is just as / more effective.
In organized corp play, yes one or two can be a game changer, but people aren't going to be knifing their hommies in a corp match. In pub, which, given the stat of PC right now, is what most players play most of the time, you know snipers are by and large lowering match quality and I'm sure you've met at least one red line camper you desperately wished you could knife. And I didn't say anything about reducing their capacity/damage/etc, jsut let me be able to kill them.
As to the countering difficulty, i think both snipers and non-snipers would massively benefit from more realistic bullet behavior (as I mentioned in my first post). Let a pinned down AR unit burn up ammo peppering a sniper (innacurately with low impact at range, but even modern assualt riffles can fire in excess of 800m with at least a degree of knowing where the round is going) to make him move off. The sniper still "tactically impacts" since he made them waste amo. And a draw distance greater than 300m would let you guys feel even more useful right? |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:57:00 -
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Any Snipers in here want to squad up, send me message with time you will be on and we will squad up. I know some good places in each map and can guarantee you will get at least 8 kills minimum if you are a decent sniper. Headset is needed. My number 1 rule is communication. You must communicate with our team. Have damage mods and nano hives. No drop uplinks. If killed we move. |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:32:00 -
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I have spent the SP so that I am flexible, it is each players choice how they spend theirs.[/quote]
Because the SP costs of "adapting" are ridiculous, not all of us have 10mil+ SP.[/quote] This is the most frustrating part of the game. Everyone complains about lack of game modes and the repetitive nature of battles, but the sp limitations force us to specialize. Meaning use the same gear and tactics over and over. I run all kinds of fits, nothing over advanced level, because I enjoy having an answer to a situation. Doesn't always work, but is rewarding when it does |
Code Slucid
Not Guilty EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:34:00 -
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I'm back again from listening 2 trance ^.^ 2 be honest, most sniper are useless.... &!!! waffle, ur the one saying i'm bragging about that T_T lol... |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:50:00 -
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Heres my lil tidbit/input on some WP gaining: whenever you see a Turret installation, LAV, tank, dropship getting wooped, get a few rounds in, kill asists on tanks and drops are actually a good bonus source of WP |
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