DUST Search - [SUGGESTION] Ability to play as genetically unmodified clones, or even mortals

Ten-Sidhe wrote:

Blocking transmission doesn't prevent it. With out an updated clone memories are only updated to the last update. So, it would wipe memory back to the last respawn or update of clone. The merc would still be immortal, just have a gap in memory since the last respawn.

Normal human troops are most common in New Eden. Clone soldiers in closed beta were in remote test area fighting each other. PC is taking place in unpopulated area.

NPC controlled normal humans would be nice for pve. Human to Clone soldier power level would be about right for the normal single player taking on entire enemy army type fight common in single player fps games.

Going off the description of effects in templar one, a dust ar would be a crew served weapon for regular humans fired from a tripod. It was described as too heavy and powerful to be accurately fireed by a normal human, and melted through stone shots impacted.

Based off the bits of information listed about the dust weapons and there in game stats, a modern .50cal hmg would probably have trouble taking down a scout suit.

Description of single clone merc vs infantry platoon from event leading up to uprising made it sound like the entire platoon was killed without any real threat to the clone soldier.


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Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.15 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: I personally wouldn't have any problems with perma-death, but like I said, they could also be used for industrial tasks. Here's a question for players familiar with New Eden lore: are there any conflicts in which ordinary humans are involved, or are wars fought exclusively with clone soldiers? Well, actually, i've heard about civilians fighting immortals, but, is highly predictable, they have no chance. The powered Dropsuit make the clones, almost indestructible. Even the Heavy clones must have two spines, including all the other modifications, because they couldn't even carry their own armor (approximately 2 tons, if i'm right). So a fight against the "immortals" would be like trying to destroy a tank with a stick. So, that's why there are some immortals, apparently defending civilians or the homeworld. The only trouble, a immortal, some says that he/she can't stay in the same body for to long. Otherwise they'll get mad, and will shot anyone on sight. Psychological troubles on the brain, caused by a psychosocial influence from their deepest thoughts.
Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:19:00 - [2] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: Viktor Skirov wrote: Well, actually, i've heard about civilians fighting immortals, but, is highly predictable, they have no chance. The powered Dropsuit make the clones, almost indestructible. Even the Heavy clones must have two spines, including all the other modifications, because they couldn't even carry their own armor (approximately 2 tons, if i'm right). So a fight against the "immortals" would be like trying to destroy a tank with a stick. So, that's why there are some immortals, apparently defending civilians or the homeworld. The only trouble, a immortal, some says that he/she can't stay in the same body for to long. Otherwise they'll get mad, and will shot anyone on sight. Psychological troubles on the brain, caused by a psychosocial influence from their deepest thoughts. Perhaps they have other weaknesses that could be exploited. If a large group of trained soldiers was pitted against a single clone, would the clone still win? Like Wolfica said, CCP could make an event based on this scenario, or even a new game mode. That's right, clones have weaknesses, for example, as I previously sayd, their mental instability. They have suicidal and homicidal impulses. And, let's talk about numbers, civilians, or even the army could destroy a clone's armor, and kill the user (if.the bas.tard doesn't have a nanite injector tha he can use on himself) but, remenber that those clones are not like normal humans, they're basically "perfect soldiers". But yeah, let's say this. Caldari clones attacking Minmattarians (I know the races and their wars, this is just an idea) and the civilians manage to call the army, and they send a squad of immortals. Those immortals got killed over and over until the biomass run out. Civilians will be able to pick some stuff from the clone's bodys (I know they can't use a plasma blaster, those things are to powerfull that a normal human can't use it) and one of the clones had flux grenades... Basically they're saying to the Caldarians: RUN B*TCH!!! RUN!. Because apparently one thr shields are done, I'd someone manage to make critical damage on the "backpacks" the shield and armor will shut down, and the clone will be into a serious disadvantage, they couldn't even stand up, and the problem would be worse, if we would be talking about a heavy. Except for scout, they could still moving but not as fast if the armor still active. Man, I love this kind of discussions.
Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:21:00 - [3] - Quote Hell, I apologize, my bad. Double post.
Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:36:00 - [4] - Quote Rian CuThalion wrote: Hopefully the civilian populous doesn't develope a device that would effectively jam the signal transmitting the dying clone consciousness. That's their only real feasible means of fighting back. Transmission lost, immortality lost. Good idea, I totally forgot about that possibility. But, that'll take some years, because the implant is practically new and is extremely effective. The scientist could make a device like that, if the managed to create such amount of implants, from a single one, something like a magnetic emitter could disrupt the transmission, eliminate the consciousness (I don't think that.something like that would be implemented, practically, that's a perma death for your "immortal") and effectively, eliminate the target. (If CCP implement that) I would avoid antennas, or any other kind of disruptor, and if I have no choice... I'll GTFO!.
Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:49:00 - [5] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: I don't think it's what CCP wants. In eve you're also the highest class in society. Me either. Because: What's the point of die in hands of another clone, heavy,scout or whatever, and revive; if I can be exterminated and perma-dead by a civilian with a pistol and a funny radio device.
Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 13:13:00 - [6] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: Blocking transmission doesn't prevent it. With out an updated clone memories are only updated to the last update. So, it would wipe memory back to the last respawn or update of clone. The merc would still be immortal, just have a gap in memory since the last respawn. Normal human troops are most common in New Eden. Clone soldiers in closed beta were in remote test area fighting each other. PC is taking place in unpopulated area. NPC controlled normal humans would be nice for pve. Human to Clone soldier power level would be about right for the normal single player taking on entire enemy army type fight common in single player fps games. Going off the description of effects in templar one, a dust ar would be a crew served weapon for regular humans fired from a tripod. It was described as too heavy and powerful to be accurately fireed by a normal human, and melted through stone shots impacted. Based off the bits of information listed about the dust weapons and there in game stats, a modern .50cal hmg would probably have trouble taking down a scout suit. Description of single clone merc vs infantry platoon from event leading up to uprising made it sound like the entire platoon was killed without any real threat to the clone soldier. Thanks for correcting me partners. And about the single clone, I didn't sayd infantry, I meant untrained civilians. A group of clones won't be able to take a whole city without any treath for them. I was wrong when I sayd that their armor is almost indestructible, is pretty weak against external threats coming from different sources, I exaggerated