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Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:34:00 -
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It's the forums.
I've been a long time browser of the forums here. After a while of this I've seen a trend. Practically everyone here complains constantly, and bashes CCP, or just trolls. This is ridiculous. So here's my take.
First, I have several characters I have played a lot. I've been a Medic/Logi, assault, shotgun scout, laser rifle, tanker, dropship pilot, and sniper. I have rarely experienced one tenth of the stuff being constantly whined about on here. So I've compiled a small list of answers to the commonly complained about issues:
1. Lag; Maybe you should check your internet connection and placement of your PS3. This isn't a small game and small maps there's a lot to be digested.
2. Hit detection; Haven't had a problem since Uprising. Maybe you really just need to aim a bit better. This isn't Call of Duty the sticky aiming isn't going to save your life.
3. The Shotgun debacle; see answer two.
4. PC being broken; Personally never done PC so I wouldn't know, but reading all the constant whining here's my thing: 1. Timezones; Understand that can be frustrating to other countries. 2. No one sees a need for it in EvE. I haven't particularly looked at EvE itself with planetary involvement, since I'm not in the bigger alliances that most of the teams seem to be connected to, so I can't see if it really is having the effect that CCP intended. As long as it's working as planned, then yes it has an impact. So if you say it doesn't or EvE isn't taking it serious enough, here's what I propose you do; start a corporation of all the people complaining on Dust forums about it and start taking the districts with ZERO tie to EvE. If it starts impacting EvE players wallets they'll start taking you serious.
5. Comparing Dust 514 to any other shooter is pointless and immediately makes your argument moot. Dust 514 isn't another shooter it's not Call of Duty, it's not Battlefield, it's not Planetside 2. I'm sorry if that's what you expected.
6. Complaining about stuff taking to long to patch or fix. When did the game ACTUALLY go live? Everything before that was just beta. Expecting stuff to be fixed immediately after we JUST came out of Beta is kind of asinine.
7. Skill respec. Okay, CCP reset your character. You went crazy changed some stuff, wanted something different, didn't want to wait on the new patch to come out and you spent your skill points. Now, CCP says they'll hook you up, they're giving you a free respec. I, say to this, here's your coloring book, shut up and color. They'll get to it when they get to it. Fill out your Ticket and be done with the whining. I've seen several posts by Devs saying there was some characters that fell through the cracks, understandable. Re-submit a ticket and wait.
8. Get off the DEV's back. This is their job, they're doing something no other game has, not to mention this is CCP's first foray into an FPS. There's going to be bumps in the road. It's fine, they're working on it. A little common courtesy and respect will get you a long way. If you have a problem relay it to them, don't immediately jump on the forums and blast out "DUST IS DEAD!" or "OHMAHGAWD FPS IS BROKEN!" or "THIS GAME SUCKS!" If I was a CCP reading these forums day after day listening to all the negativity and complaining, I wouldn't help a single one of you.
Anyway, off of my soap box now.
TL;DR: "Forums, come on, Less QQ; more Pew Pew."
Yours in Christ, Jay Westen.
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
880
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:37:00 -
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Expect them |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
903
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:38:00 -
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All my likes. |
Benari Kalidima
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:43:00 -
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I fully agree with this. The forums are totally overrun by angry people, making up a vocal minority. No the game isn't perfect but they are actually working on it.
This forum could really use some more rules and moderators. Of course it's not wrong to criticize the game, or some elements of it, but this has gone too far. |
Nimerae
LineZerkers
27
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:44:00 -
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Jay Westen wrote:It's the forums.
I've been a long time browser of the forums here. After a while of this I've seen a trend. Practically everyone here complains constantly, and bashes CCP, or just trolls. This is ridiculous. So here's my take.
First, I have several characters I have played a lot. I've been a Medic/Logi, assault, shotgun scout, laser rifle, tanker, dropship pilot, and sniper. I have rarely experienced one tenth of the stuff being constantly whined about on here. So I've compiled a small list of answers to the commonly complained about issues:
1. Lag; Maybe you should check your internet connection and placement of your PS3. This isn't a small game and small maps there's a lot to be digested.
2. Hit detection; Haven't had a problem since Uprising. Maybe you really just need to aim a bit better. This isn't Call of Duty the sticky aiming isn't going to save your life.
3. The Shotgun debacle; see answer two.
4. PC being broken; Personally never done PC so I wouldn't know, but reading all the constant whining here's my thing: - Timezones; Understand that can be frustrating to other countries. - No one sees a need for it in EvE. I haven't particularly looked at EvE itself with planetary involvement, since I'm not in the bigger alliances that most of the teams seem to be connected to, so I can't see if it really is having the effect that CCP intended. As long as it's working as planned, then yes it has an impact. So if you say it doesn't or EvE isn't taking it serious enough, here's what I propose you do; start a corporation of all the people complaining on Dust forums about it and start taking the districts with ZERO tie to EvE. If it starts impacting EvE players wallets they'll start taking you serious.
5. Comparing Dust 514 to any other shooter is pointless and immediately makes your argument moot. Dust 514 isn't another shooter it's not Call of Duty, it's not Battlefield, it's not Planetside 2. I'm sorry if that's what you expected.
6. Complaining about stuff taking to long to patch or fix. When did the game ACTUALLY go live? Everything before that was just beta. Expecting stuff to be fixed immediately after we JUST came out of Beta is kind of asinine.
7. Skill respec. Okay, CCP reset your character. You went crazy changed some stuff, wanted something different, didn't want to wait on the new patch to come out and you spent your skill points. Now, CCP says they'll hook you up, they're giving you a free respec. I, say to this, here's your coloring book, shut up and color. They'll get to it when they get to it. Fill out your Ticket and be done with the whining. I've seen several posts by Devs saying there was some characters that fell through the cracks, understandable. Re-submit a ticket and wait.
8. Get off the DEV's back. This is their job, they're doing something no other game has, not to mention this is CCP's first foray into an FPS. There's going to be bumps in the road. It's fine, they're working on it. A little common courtesy and respect will get you a long way. If you have a problem relay it to them, don't immediately jump on the forums and blast out "DUST IS DEAD!" or "OHMAHGAWD FPS IS BROKEN!" or "THIS GAME SUCKS!" If I was a CCP reading these forums day after day listening to all the negativity and complaining, I wouldn't help a single one of you.
Anyway, off of my soap box now.
TL;DR: "Forums, come on, Less QQ; more Pew Pew."
Yours in Christ, Jay Westen.
(edit: Fixed bullets.)
Looks like somebody got their respec already
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da GAND
187.
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:46:00 -
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there are alot of people that still didn't get there respec still |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
883
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:48:00 -
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Told you to expect them. Trolls are punctual, I will give them that. |
Benari Kalidima
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:49:00 -
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da GAND wrote:there are alot of people that still didn't get there respec still He covered that in his post |
Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:57:00 -
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da GAND wrote:there are alot of people that still didn't get there respec still
Yes I am fully aware that a lot of people haven't received their respec. That sucks. But complaining about it on the forum is far less productive than actually resubmitting their ticket or emailing CCP.
Nimera wrote:Looks like somebody got their respec already
You are correct. I'll even do you one better, I switched from what I liked doing in Beta to doing something else in Uprising. I hated it and I wanted to switch back. Instead of initially coming on here and complaining, and asking for a respec, I started the grind over. Then when CCP announced they were doing respecs I asked for one, waited patiently for it to come. Sucks it hasn't came for some people but like I said before to da GAND, stop complaining and actually fill out your ticket again, or email CCP. Then wait.
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Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
272
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:59:00 -
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Sorry, the frame rate is god awful quite often. My internet connection is fine (if irrelevant) and the PS3 is well ventilated, it even has the external fans add on.
I don't go around making threads about it, cause I'm pretty sure they're well aware of it. But don't make excuses for it. |
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Benari Kalidima
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:01:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:Sorry, the frame rate is god awful quite often. My internet connection is fine (if irrelevant) and the PS3 is well ventilated, it even has the external fans add on. It's strange though, that some of us don't have any lag. I can recommend vacuuming the ps3, or something like it. I did that to my laptop, and it stopped crashing when playing games. |
Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:06:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:Sorry, the frame rate is god awful quite often. My internet connection is fine (if irrelevant) and the PS3 is well ventilated, it even has the external fans add on.
I don't go around making threads about it, cause I'm pretty sure they're well aware of it. But don't make excuses for it.
Then it wasn't directed at you. Again haven't had the issue, stating my experience. Plus offering some advice. Don't jump to conclusions. Plus isn't framerate and general lag two different things? I said lag, or at least I'm pretty sure I did.
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Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
272
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:07:00 -
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Benari Kalidima wrote:Cass Barr wrote:Sorry, the frame rate is god awful quite often. My internet connection is fine (if irrelevant) and the PS3 is well ventilated, it even has the external fans add on. It's strange though, that some of us don't have any lag. I can recommend vacuuming the ps3, or something like it. I did that to my laptop, and it stopped crashing when playing games.
I'll give it a closer inspection just because I'm more than willing to do anything in my ability to help alleviate the issue. I don't have those problems with any other game, though. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:08:00 -
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Benari Kalidima wrote:Cass Barr wrote:Sorry, the frame rate is god awful quite often. My internet connection is fine (if irrelevant) and the PS3 is well ventilated, it even has the external fans add on. It's strange though, that some of us don't have any lag. I can recommend vacuuming the ps3, or something like it. I did that to my laptop, and it stopped crashing when playing games. But exactly what you mean for "lag"? "Lag" it's not only when ppl teleport: for example "lag" is when you shoot at someone and he gets no damage/gets damage after a determined amount of time. "Lag" is textures not updating. If you haven't seen any of these things, then yes, you're lucky. You might have a really strong connection or you might not have played enough. Mind you that not everyone can have a 100Mbps connection... and anyway, yes. This game sometimes lag. Eu vs Us or Us vs Asia etc will always lag. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1610
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:17:00 -
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Worst fanboy post yet
0/10 |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1610
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:19:00 -
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Dbl pst |
Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:21:00 -
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In general, you'll see a lot more negative feedback than positive, because people for whom everything works fine for don't go out of their way to say "Hey, this game is working fine for me, just thought I'd let you know." If you read the forums, you'd think the game was a laggy, buggy mess, but as far as I can tell, it works fine. I've gotten the disconnected from PSN error exactly once in the 3 weeks I've been actively playing the game and haven't had any issues with lag at all. Even the freezes on the loading screen only seem to happen once or twice every couple of nights, and while I'd like that to be fixed ASAP, it's not something I care about enough to complain about on the forums to anyone who'll listen. |
Dusthas1Year2Live
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:26:00 -
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Just too mant trolls.
Read my name |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:26:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:In general, you'll see a lot more negative feedback than positive, because people for whom everything works fine for don't go out of their way to say "Hey, this game is working fine for me, just thought I'd let you know." If you read the forums, you'd think the game was a laggy, buggy mess, but as far as I can tell, it works fine. I've gotten the disconnected from PSN error exactly once in the 3 weeks I've been actively playing the game and haven't had any issues with lag at all. Even the freezes on the loading screen only seem to happen once or twice every couple of nights, and while I'd like that to be fixed ASAP, it's not something I care about enough to complain about on the forums to anyone who'll listen.
I find that it's exceedingly rare to make it through a single match without at least one squad member having some sort of game breaking problem arise. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:30:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Delenne Arran wrote:In general, you'll see a lot more negative feedback than positive, because people for whom everything works fine for don't go out of their way to say "Hey, this game is working fine for me, just thought I'd let you know." If you read the forums, you'd think the game was a laggy, buggy mess, but as far as I can tell, it works fine. I've gotten the disconnected from PSN error exactly once in the 3 weeks I've been actively playing the game and haven't had any issues with lag at all. Even the freezes on the loading screen only seem to happen once or twice every couple of nights, and while I'd like that to be fixed ASAP, it's not something I care about enough to complain about on the forums to anyone who'll listen. I find that it's exceedingly rare to make it through a single match without at least one squad member having some sort of game breaking problem arise. I routinely go several matches in squads without anyone having issues. It does happen, but not consistently. |
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Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
4
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:32:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote: I find that it's exceedingly rare to make it through a single match without at least one squad member having some sort of game breaking problem arise.
Ant that's entirely possible. It's also possible that the problem is on their end rather than an issue with the game. I generally only squad up with a handful of IRL friends, and for the most part, we can play for several hours straight with no major issues. Occasionally one or more of us will get the loading screen bug, but that's it. Aside from the guy who's on garbage internet and can't even stay connected on Skype. |
Benari Kalidima
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:34:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Benari Kalidima wrote:Cass Barr wrote:Sorry, the frame rate is god awful quite often. My internet connection is fine (if irrelevant) and the PS3 is well ventilated, it even has the external fans add on. It's strange though, that some of us don't have any lag. I can recommend vacuuming the ps3, or something like it. I did that to my laptop, and it stopped crashing when playing games. But exactly what you mean for "lag"? "Lag" it's not only when ppl teleport: for example "lag" is when you shoot at someone and he gets no damage/gets damage after a determined amount of time. "Lag" is textures not updating. If you haven't seen any of these things, then yes, you're lucky. You might have a really strong connection or you might not have played enough. Mind you that not everyone can have a 100Mbps connection... and anyway, yes. This game sometimes lag. Eu vs Us or Us vs Asia etc will always lag. What, no textures not loading doesn't have anything to do with lag. There's framerate lag and network lag. Lag is when the game is jumpy.
Network lag occurs when the server or your connection can't keep up. This results in players (or yourself) teleporting, or health not keeping up.
Framerate lag occurs when the hardware (in this case; the ps3) can't keep up. This (as the name suggests) makes your framerate drop, sometimes in spikes, sometimes over a longer duration.
I personally never had any significant framerate drops after beta, though spikes sometimes happen. I've had network lag happen very rarely, but it was without a doubt the one player i could see "teleporting" which had a bad connection. Of course hardware lag can also make problems with the connection. Also I only run 10 mbit/s, 10th of what you assumed :p |
Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:45:00 -
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Benari Kalidima wrote: Also I only run 10 mbit/s, 10th of what you assumed :p
Yeah I just ran a network test on mine to see. 8Mbps Download and 1Mbps Upload. Haven't had an issue.
For people who don't know; hit your playstation home button the go settings -> network settings -> internet connection test.
I'm not saying this is what you're connecting to the game at, I'm not saying this is the problem, I'm saying that's what you're connected with your playstation at. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1612
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:46:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:Baal Roo wrote: I find that it's exceedingly rare to make it through a single match without at least one squad member having some sort of game breaking problem arise.
Ant that's entirely possible. It's also possible that the problem is on their end rather than an issue with the game. I generally only squad up with a handful of IRL friends, and for the most part, we can play for several hours straight with no major issues. Occasionally one or more of us will get the loading screen bug, but that's it. Aside from the guy who's on garbage internet and can't even stay connected on Skype.
I'm a director for one of the largest corps in the game, I play with A LOT of different people. It's not individual players connections that are the issue, and CCP themselves have agreed. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:48:00 -
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Jay Westen wrote:
Yours in Christ, Jay Westen.
I feel dirty now having read that. Christians so arrogant.
Yours in atheism, Son-Of A-Gun. |
Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
13
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:51:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Jay Westen wrote:
Yours in Christ, Jay Westen.
I feel dirty now having read that. Christians so arrogant. Yours in atheism, Son-Of A-Gun.
Haha! Just so you know it's how I sign emails in game, it's a thing. Sorry to offend believe systems not my intention. |
ReGnYuM
Not another AR SCRUB
197
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Posted - 2013.06.15 04:02:00 -
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Complaining about people complaining on FPS gaming forums.
Jay Westen general discussion is my forum turf, and I would be damned if I ever LET IT change.
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Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
4
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Posted - 2013.06.15 04:08:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
I'm a director for one of the largest corps in the game, I play with A LOT of different people. It's not individual players connections that are the issue, and CCP themselves have agreed.
Could be both. I find it unlikely that an issue that some people encounter seemingly all the time, while others rarely encounter it, if at all, isn't due. at least in part, to something on the user's end, whether poor internet, the model of their PS3, the number of chat channels they have open, or something else. It seems likely that it's something the user has some degree of control over, otherwise, it's something that should be affecting everyone consistently, instead of only 2/3 of the playerbase. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1615
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Posted - 2013.06.15 04:40:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
I'm a director for one of the largest corps in the game, I play with A LOT of different people. It's not individual players connections that are the issue, and CCP themselves have agreed.
Could be both. I find it unlikely that an issue that some people encounter seemingly all the time, while others rarely encounter it, if at all, isn't due. at least in part, to something on the user's end, whether poor internet, the model of their PS3, the number of chat channels they have open, or something else. It seems likely that it's something the user has some degree of control over, otherwise, it's something that should be affecting everyone consistently, instead of only 2/3 of the playerbase.
CCP have already stated that the problem is with memory leaks and poorly optimized code. Sure, it may very well be partly the "fault" of the players connection, but it's really sort of irrelevant. If a large percentage of players are having more problems in Dust 514 than they have with other games, it's CCP's job to fix it. I've never seen another PS3 title with such persistent and major problems. |
DeadlyAztec11
Strong-Arm
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Posted - 2013.06.15 05:03:00 -
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Why can't we compare Dust to other games? Seems a bit bias to declare this game as 'different'. Same excuse people give to avoid comparing COD and BF. |
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