Or you can just make the Caldari logi's racial bonus not stack with the shield extender bonus and leave the other suits alone. Minmatar and Gallente are spot on, but the Amarr needs a CPU/PG buff. Caldari is the OP one because the extender efficiency bonus stacks with their racial, giving them +%35 shield on every extender they equip.

Well the Caldari Logi suit is a no-brainer. That thing is unbalanced as hell.

Reduce PG and CPU, and then give it per-level bonuses to reduction of PG and CPU required to fit Nanite Injectors, Nanohives, and Repair Tools.

Basically, set them up so they can have an ok tank and carry a Light Weapon, but such that trying to fit them like Assault suits doesn't work.

Then we can work on trying to make Assault suits better at their role.

My survivability is my priority if I die I cannot support, if my CPU/PG is lowered I will compensate by downgrading/removing equipment. Even by running complex modules I can barely survive as it is now, and yes I use all 4 of my equipment slots.

Logistics are no were near OP (Except the Caldari Logistics), specially the Gallente logistics who is the weakest of all medium suits. A logistics should have lower speed and lower EHP than its assault variant, and they do except the Caldari, with the only perk of being able to equip more and better equipment; wouldn't it be more logical to just raise the CPU/PG of the assault? Also I compare builds all the time and in no scenario was any logistics able to equip better modules than a assault suit, in fact they can both equip the same amount of modules, unless the logistics maxes out low slots with armor plates but in that case he is just super easy to kill. The only difference when adding modules to an assault is that he reaches the CPU/PG cap faster if the suit doesn't invest into CPU/PG skills early, but all suits need to invest of these skills so this is a null point.

Here is my build comparison post, feel free to make copies and mess with the module configurations.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=905267

More what I'm saying is that the Logi suit is about as OP as the Tac AR was.

The Tac AR, contrary to what some people here have said, was NEVER overpowered.

It did exactly what it was supposed to, but it was also good at a few too many other things as well. Logistics suits aren't overpowered, but rather good at many different roles.

Basically, our current Logistics suits are "Jack-of-all-Trades" suits. You can fit them in a variety of ways and have them fill that role you made for them perfectly. While the other suits push more specialization, these suits are the Tech-III ships of Dust, allowing you to basically make them do whatever you wish.

They don't make you magically better than everyone else, but they let you be far more flexible in the number of uses you can get from a single suit.

In reference to the bolded section, you are officially among the most ignorant people on these forums. I am convinced more than ever that you do not legitimately play this game whatsoever.

Really?

If you think I'm saying that the Tac AR nerf was not needed, you misunderstood me.

The problem with the Tac AR that is shared with the current Logistics suits is that they perform too many roles, not that they perform too well persay. I could still reliably kill a Tac AR user in CQC with a Breach Rifle if my aim was good and I timed my attack properly.

The TAR is a long-range, high damage weapon, and it filled that role perfectly. The only issue with it was that it filled other roles quite well in addition, making the weapons designed for those roles obsolete.

I would define an OP assets as something like the old Large Missile launchers. While all missiles were far too effective at killing infantry, the one thing that made them truly OP was their ability to one-shot any armor tank, no matter how well the operator fit it.

They were an asset that performed the role that was intended, but did damage far outside of what they should have.

That is what I would define as OP. The Tac AR, and the Logi suits right now, are merely an asset that performs too many roles.

Rather than a blanket nerf or a major stat adjustment, what the current Logi suits need is a series of small changes, like those made to the Tac AR, that will push them into their intended role and allow the other Medium Frames to shine.

That is the point I am trying to make.

The Caldari Logi specifically needs to be looked at. Most people right now are running them as beefed up Assault suits because they have the most customizability of any suit in the game. 5 high and 4 low slots on top of the most CPU/PG as well as the best racial bonus make them able to do anything they want. I don't understand how CCP let something like that slip through the pipelines. You can literally do anything you want with that suit, even going as far as matching a heavy's EHP while still being faster and able to carry equipment.

Looking at that suit makes it seem to me that CCP doesn't even bother to do any internal testing before releasing. Every top corp in PC that I've faced steamrolls the battlefield with their Caldari Logis of Death. Some of them don't even bother to carry equipment, instead choosing to stack Complex Extenders, Damage mods, and Shield Regulators at no negative cost to them. All of the suits need another balance pass and CCP needs to release the stats before they release another monstrously imbalanced suit. It doesn't matter one bit what CCP intends the suit to do, it's what people will do with the suit that matters. As soon as people saw how incredible those stats were and that they weren't changing them, all the min/maxers flocked to it and started running God-mode Assaults with them.

Then on the other hand you have the Caldari Assault which has the most useless bonus (10% reload on hybrid at level 5). So putting ~2.5 million skill points into Caldari Assault gets you a worse suit stat-wise (4H/3L vs 5H/4L and way less CPU/PG) and a bonus which shaves off fractions of a second on reload (.3 seconds on ARs for example). Im so baffled by how they choose these bonuses.

Edit: And don't even try to mention a lack of sidearm as what makes it fair. I run Assault suits and hardly ever fit a sidearm on my suits. It's not necessary when you have hives, which the Logis can easily fit and still have room to mess around with whatever they want. For example they can put a CPU upgrade on the low and still have 5H/3L and run prototype EVEYTHING (equipment, modules, weapon, grenade, etc) without a hitch while still having >500 shield and however much armor they decide to stack on it. No other suit is nearly this powerful.

Caldari logistics < Flux grenade

I wish CCP would give us an ETA on the projectile and targeting bug fixes currently afflicting the MD and Grenades.
It is very difficult to do a proper set of tests on balance when relevant aspects are not able to work as intended due to multiple bugs.

CCP has stated they don't want to alter base stats until they've fixed the bugs (specific response in the MD 911 thread) which while frustrating is understandable. They should by the same token not touch the Cal Suit stats until after the bug fixes are in and Flux Grenades are working as intended, considering the nature of the Cal Logi buff.

I don't run the Cal Logi but based on fights against it and reading the stats internal to the Logi Line it seems OP compared to the other Logi suits and durable on the battlefield. To be fair however I don't actually struggle that much with killing the Cal Logi suit (I do run Flux on and off even tho they're buggy right now). With bugs fixed I expect the MD to need a bit of a buff, the contact nades to need a nerf, armor tanking to need some love and the Cal Logi suit buff to require a mild reduction. But as stated previously it's hard to get solid testing done on these interlaced issues due to the present bugs.

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I wish CCP would give us an ETA on the projectile and targeting bug fixes currently afflicting the MD and Grenades.
It is very difficult to do a proper set of tests on balance when relevant aspects are not able to work as intended due to multiple bugs.

CCP has stated they don't want to alter base stats until they've fixed the bugs (specific response in the MD 911 thread) which while frustrating is understandable. They should by the same token not touch the Cal Suit stats until after the bug fixes are in and Flux Grenades are working as intended, considering the nature of the Cal Logi buff.

I don't run the Cal Logi but based on fights against it and reading the stats internal to the Logi Line it seems OP compared to the other Logi suits and durable on the battlefield. To be fair however I don't actually struggle that much with killing the Cal Logi suit (I do run Flux on and off even tho they're buggy right now). With bugs fixed I expect the MD to need a bit of a buff, the contact nades to need a nerf, armor tanking to need some love and the Cal Logi suit buff to require a mild reduction. But as stated previously it's hard to get solid testing done on these interlaced issues due to the present bugs.

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I believe the flux grenades are working as designed. Damage dealt by flux grenades works like this: Any player equipment in the AOE of a flux is destroyed, any player not behind cover from the origin of the flux blast loses their shields, any player behind cover when flux blast occurs is protected from it's effects.

As for the logistics suit, a good fitting costs more than the assault or heavy suits and gets killed quicker if focus fired upon, that is the balancing factor. The assaults have higher base stats on all racial variants and so, if used in an assault role, the logi suit does not reign supreme, but rather is ok for the support role because they support the assaults and heavies. The only reason for the higher PG and CPU is to be able to fit the equipment.

The Logi suits have less tank slots on all racial variants than their assault suits so in all reality I find the balance the logi cry laughable, even when limited to the Caldari logi, which I have just recently respeced out of. It wasn't the premier suit and it certainly didn't provide me with a gigantic amount of hp, but it did give me a healty fear of flux nades and a respect for those of you who think that a 90Hp armor buffer for your flux naded suit will keep you alive long enough for your shield to regenerate so that I need more that 2 rounds from my ninja nerfed TAC Duvolle to kill you.

We all make choices in this game, learning to live with them is the game. Meta everything and you will not have problems but go to the market to check first what the stats are and what the skill bonuses do for the equipment and suit being compared. Often skilling into something will provide an unforseen boost to a players stats when they achieve the skill level required to use a piece of equipment. In the case of the Caldari Logi suit, 5% bonus to shields per level is perfectly acceptable, they still drop to 0% shields when hit with a flux nade.

You shouldn't really be able to protect yourself from an EMP behind any random object.

The Logi suits have less tank slots on all racial variants than their assault suits so in all reality I find the balance the logi cry laughable

the Caldari logi, which I have just recently respeced out of. It wasn't the premier suit and it certainly didn't provide me with a gigantic amount of hp, but it did give me a healty fear of flux nades and a respect for those of you who think that a 90Hp armor buffer for your flux naded suit will keep you alive long enough for your shield to regenerate so that I need more that 2 rounds from my ninja nerfed TAC Duvolle to kill you.

Actually, all logi suits have more module slots than their racial assault suit, except for the Amarr. Gallente and Minmatar have one extra slot, Caldari has two.
How is that different from the Caldari assault or basic suit? All shield tanked suits are vulnerable to flux nades, it has nothing to do with the fact that Caldari logi suits seem imbalanced compared to Caldari assault or basic suits.