DUST Search - Logistics Suit Balance

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

RECON BY FIRE wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

More what I'm saying is that the Logi suit is about as OP as the Tac AR was.

The Tac AR, contrary to what some people here have said, was NEVER overpowered.

It did exactly what it was supposed to, but it was also good at a few too many other things as well. Logistics suits aren't overpowered, but rather good at many different roles.

Basically, our current Logistics suits are "Jack-of-all-Trades" suits. You can fit them in a variety of ways and have them fill that role you made for them perfectly. While the other suits push more specialization, these suits are the Tech-III ships of Dust, allowing you to basically make them do whatever you wish.

They don't make you magically better than everyone else, but they let you be far more flexible in the number of uses you can get from a single suit.

In reference to the bolded section, you are officially among the most ignorant people on these forums. I am convinced more than ever that you do not legitimately play this game whatsoever.

Really?

If you think I'm saying that the Tac AR nerf was not needed, you misunderstood me.

The problem with the Tac AR that is shared with the current Logistics suits is that they perform too many roles, not that they perform too well persay. I could still reliably kill a Tac AR user in CQC with a Breach Rifle if my aim was good and I timed my attack properly.

The TAR is a long-range, high damage weapon, and it filled that role perfectly. The only issue with it was that it filled other roles quite well in addition, making the weapons designed for those roles obsolete.

I would define an OP assets as something like the old Large Missile launchers. While all missiles were far too effective at killing infantry, the one thing that made them truly OP was their ability to one-shot any armor tank, no matter how well the operator fit it.

They were an asset that performed the role that was intended, but did damage far outside of what they should have.

That is what I would define as OP. The Tac AR, and the Logi suits right now, are merely an asset that performs too many roles.

Rather than a blanket nerf or a major stat adjustment, what the current Logi suits need is a series of small changes, like those made to the Tac AR, that will push them into their intended role and allow the other Medium Frames to shine.

That is the point I am trying to make.


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RECON BY FIRE Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 194	Posted - 2013.06.14 15:17:00 - [1] - Quote More than just the Caldari Logi needs a nerf, however PG/CPU is the last thing that needs to be nerfed on Logis. That just doesn't even make sense at all, how would they run high end equipment like theyre supposed to without good PG/CPU? Instead, as Cosgar mentioned, things like the Caldari Logis bonus needs to be changed. As well as across all logis the built in suit rep bonus needs to be changed across the board to a reduction in PG/CPU of equipment (yes that means Gallente would receive an overall of either 40 or 50% decrease in PG/CPU of equipment), and the shield recharge delay needs to be brought in line with that of their Assault suit counterparts. Both of those are things that help make all the Logis, and especially the Caldari Logi, better than their Assault suit counterparts. Why should I run an armor Assault suit when the Logi gets a built in rep bonus so I can run more plates and less reps making me more sustainable? Why should I run a shield Assault suit when the shield recharge delay on the Logis are so low and with a couple regulators makes it almost instant? Sure in the latter example Assault suits get more HP/s regen, but Logis can have similar with a Shield Recharger and as mentioned they start regenning quicker.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 194	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:56:00 - [2] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: More what I'm saying is that the Logi suit is about as OP as the Tac AR was. The Tac AR, contrary to what some people here have said, was NEVER overpowered. It did exactly what it was supposed to, but it was also good at a few too many other things as well. Logistics suits aren't overpowered, but rather good at many different roles. Basically, our current Logistics suits are "Jack-of-all-Trades" suits. You can fit them in a variety of ways and have them fill that role you made for them perfectly. While the other suits push more specialization, these suits are the Tech-III ships of Dust, allowing you to basically make them do whatever you wish. They don't make you magically better than everyone else, but they let you be far more flexible in the number of uses you can get from a single suit. In reference to the bolded section, you are officially among the most ignorant people on these forums. I am convinced more than ever that you do not legitimately play this game whatsoever.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 194	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:18:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: More what I'm saying is that the Logi suit is about as OP as the Tac AR was. The Tac AR, contrary to what some people here have said, was NEVER overpowered. It did exactly what it was supposed to, but it was also good at a few too many other things as well. Logistics suits aren't overpowered, but rather good at many different roles. Basically, our current Logistics suits are "Jack-of-all-Trades" suits. You can fit them in a variety of ways and have them fill that role you made for them perfectly. While the other suits push more specialization, these suits are the Tech-III ships of Dust, allowing you to basically make them do whatever you wish. They don't make you magically better than everyone else, but they let you be far more flexible in the number of uses you can get from a single suit. In reference to the bolded section, you are officially among the most ignorant people on these forums. I am convinced more than ever that you do not legitimately play this game whatsoever. Really? If you think I'm saying that the Tac AR nerf was not needed, you misunderstood me. The problem with the Tac AR that is shared with the current Logistics suits is that they perform too many roles, not that they perform too well persay. I could still reliably kill a Tac AR user in CQC with a Breach Rifle if my aim was good and I timed my attack properly. The TAR is a long-range, high damage weapon, and it filled that role perfectly. The only issue with it was that it filled other roles quite well in addition, making the weapons designed for those roles obsolete. I would define an OP assets as something like the old Large Missile launchers. While all missiles were far too effective at killing infantry, the one thing that made them truly OP was their ability to one-shot any armor tank, no matter how well the operator fit it. They were an asset that performed the role that was intended, but did damage far outside of what they should have. That is what I would define as OP. The Tac AR, and the Logi suits right now, are merely an asset that performs too many roles. Rather than a blanket nerf or a major stat adjustment, what the current Logi suits need is a series of small changes, like those made to the Tac AR, that will push them into their intended role and allow the other Medium Frames to shine. That is the point I am trying to make. Your clarification merely proves my point. Being too good at too many roles makes something overpowered. Lets just spell it fully out since it seems you may be forgetting what OP stands for. To say otherwise is completely foolish. "The TAC AR wasn't OP, it was simply too good at too many roles. Therefore, it merely is overly good but certainly not overpowered. Its not that it asserted its dominance over other weapons in every way and being more powerful than they were in their own respective classes or nothing like that sticks foot in mouth." Your claim to "reliably kill" TAC users pre-nerf with a Breach AR also once again shows that you DO NOT legitimately play this game. Anybody who was not a Caldari Logi or a Heavy were consistently 2 to 6 shotted by the TAC. Most of the time there was rarely any time to even react before TAC users downed their opponents. You seriously need to discontinue giving feedback on this game because your suggestions are severely misinformed.