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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:51:00 -
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In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. |
Secondary Fool
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:58:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3720
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:59:00 -
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Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for.
I was unaware that militia items operated like prototype items at max skill levels.
Wow, I'm so happy you showed me the way.
Either give us a way to test builds before we build them, or give us something to do in game. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
857
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:00:00 -
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How do you know what they intended?.... Oh yeah, an inflated sense of ownership over CCPs product. But do go on, continue telling them how their vision is not what you want and remind them of their intentions. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
857
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for. I was unaware that militia items operated like prototype items at max skill levels. Wow, I'm so happy you showed me the way. Oh so now the VR is going to be full mod proto trial? Thanks CCP dust fiend. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1929
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:02:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:How do you know what they intended?.... Oh yeah, an inflated sense of ownership over CCPs product. But do go on, continue telling them how their vision is not what you want and remind them of their intentions.
You are dense. They already promised a VR room, and 6000 players is not a successful venture for so many years in development. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1583
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:02:00 -
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Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for. Can you help me find the militia HMG, Laser, Scrambler Rifle, HMG, Mass Driver and logistics dropsuits? I seem to be having trouble... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1929
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:03:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for. I was unaware that militia items operated like prototype items at max skill levels. Wow, I'm so happy you showed me the way. Oh so now the VR is going to be full mod proto trial? Thanks CCP dust fiend.
EVEtard, if you think this game is good, you will watch it die a lonely, slow death. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3720
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:03:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Oh so now the VR is going to be full mod proto trial? Thanks CCP dust fiend.
If you're going to have a VR training area, why would you not get to test things at optimal efficiency?
It's a simulator, after all. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
604
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:03:00 -
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Every time someone farts people want a respec.
How about no. |
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
857
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:05:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Jin Robot wrote:How do you know what they intended?.... Oh yeah, an inflated sense of ownership over CCPs product. But do go on, continue telling them how their vision is not what you want and remind them of their intentions. You are dense. They already promised a VR room, and 6000 players is not a successful venture for so many years in development. Who do you think you are? Seriously... Are you that arrogant to decide what CCP is willing to do to achieve success? It is not a yearly installment that needs an immediate bandwagon. They have time to do it their way. |
bacon blaster
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
51
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:05:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:How do you know what they intended?.... Oh yeah, an inflated sense of ownership over CCPs product. But do go on, continue telling them how their vision is not what you want and remind them of their intentions.
They intended for things like 500 person battles and for an in-depth merge with eve. They've stated this.
For either of these things to really be practical, you need 10,000's of of players on most of the time. I don't think they've broken 9k yet, and the numbers look to me like they are going back down. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
292
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:05:00 -
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Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for.
Im for militia variants of every weapon. These are presumably highjacked or salvaged. What, they just left the cool stuff?
the plasma cannon feels like militia grade.
On the other hand it only takes 12k SP to skill into the first level of each weapon. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3720
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:06:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Who do you think you are? Seriously... Are you that arrogant to decide what CCP is willing to do to achieve success? It is not a yearly installment that needs an immediate bandwagon. They have time to do it their way. I take it you haven't been following the next gen MMOFPS games that are coming out?
Of course this game won't vanish, it just won't be taken seriously by anyone in the FPS community, let alone the professional and competitive scenes that really pull in the $$$
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1929
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:07:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Jin Robot wrote:How do you know what they intended?.... Oh yeah, an inflated sense of ownership over CCPs product. But do go on, continue telling them how their vision is not what you want and remind them of their intentions. You are dense. They already promised a VR room, and 6000 players is not a successful venture for so many years in development. Who do you think you are? Seriously... Are you that arrogant to decide what CCP is willing to do to achieve success? It is not a yearly installment that needs an immediate bandwagon. They have time to do it their way.
I know you are mentally disabled and I am trying to help. Shoo fly, go enjoy eating the crap that is DUST 514 atm. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1930
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:08:00 -
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It's not just the militia weapons that need to be introduced. When a fit can cost you 10M SP, knowing the 4 months in advance it takes to get there that is what you want, will make you more likely to purchase aur advantages to get there sooner, or just play more often so server populations aren't so low. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
860
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Oh so now the VR is going to be full mod proto trial? Thanks CCP dust fiend. If you're going to have a VR training area, why would you not get to test things at optimal efficiency? It's a simulator, after all. Again with acting like you call any shots...talk about delusions of grandeur |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
860
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:11:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:It's not just the militia weapons that need to be introduced. When a fit can cost you 10M SP, knowing the 4 months in advance it takes to get there that is what you want, will make you more likely to purchase aur advantages to get there sooner, or just play more often so server populations aren't so low. Or you guys could just take your cry to some other game. I and many others are happy with the system. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3721
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:11:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Again with acting like you call any shots...talk about delusions of grandeur
Dude, it's a forum. Oh my god, how dare I express my opinion
BURN HIM, BURN HIM!!! |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
274
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:13:00 -
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I think battle academy should be able to freely respec.
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
644
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:14:00 -
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I just want to know if Noc reset his account. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1930
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:15:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:I just want to know if Noc reset his account.
Yes, I did. So? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
701
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Again with acting like you call any shots...talk about delusions of grandeur Dude, it's a forum. Oh my god, how dare I express my opinion BURN HIM, BURN HIM!!!
Hmm, I think Jin was expressing his opinion too.
I think that's the point.
Also, sooo many players do have a very inflated opinion of themselves, how leet they are, how much they "know" fpses, and how right they are. Still, the only people I see "doing" here, rather than talking, is CCP. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3721
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:17:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:I just want to know if Noc reset his account. Yes, I did. So?
WHY!?!?!?!
Didn't you have like, tons of SP and ISK and kills and stuff? |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
860
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:17:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Who do you think you are? Seriously... Are you that arrogant to decide what CCP is willing to do to achieve success? It is not a yearly installment that needs an immediate bandwagon. They have time to do it their way. I take it you haven't been following the next gen MMOFPS games that are coming out? Of course this game won't vanish, it just won't be taken seriously by anyone in the FPS community, let alone the professional and competitive scenes that really pull in the $$$ Well, there will always be competition. If you allow fear of that to direct.your methods, you have lost. I dont think they are scared. Btw none of those games are proven either. Its mostly troll fodder thrown in here to create panic and get your way. Thankfully i.think CCP is used to trolls trying to manipulate. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1930
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:17:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Again with acting like you call any shots...talk about delusions of grandeur Dude, it's a forum. Oh my god, how dare I express my opinion BURN HIM, BURN HIM!!! Hmm, I think Jin was expressing his opinion too. I think that's the point. Also, sooo many players do have a very inflated opinion of themselves, how leet they are, how much they "know" fpses, and how right they are. Still, the only people I see "doing" here, rather than talking, is CCP.
CCP is doing what exactly? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3723
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:18:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Dude, it's a forum. Oh my god, how dare I express my opinion
BURN HIM, BURN HIM!!! Hmm, I think Jin was expressing his opinion too. I think that's the point. Also, sooo many players do have a very inflated opinion of themselves, how leet they are, how much they "know" fpses, and how right they are. Still, the only people I see "doing" here, rather than talking, is CCP.
I haven't attacked Jin, I don't think, I'm strictly stating my opinion on the matter as someone who's played DUST for 15 months now.
And seriously, your last sentence? What, should every forum user become a member of CCP so they can try and "do" something? Of course people are talking, it's a freaking forum >_<
Jin Robot wrote:Well, there will always be competition. If you allow fear of that to direct.your methods, you have lost. I dont think they are scared. Btw none of those games are proven either. Its mostly troll fodder thrown in here to create panic and get your way. Thankfully i.think CCP is used to trolls trying to manipulate. Not learning from and adapting to the competition is a surefire way to become a bookmark in the FPS history pages
Or in the all encompassing words of EVE:
Adapt or Die |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
702
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:20:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Buster Friently wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Again with acting like you call any shots...talk about delusions of grandeur Dude, it's a forum. Oh my god, how dare I express my opinion BURN HIM, BURN HIM!!! Hmm, I think Jin was expressing his opinion too. I think that's the point. Also, sooo many players do have a very inflated opinion of themselves, how leet they are, how much they "know" fpses, and how right they are. Still, the only people I see "doing" here, rather than talking, is CCP. CCP is doing what exactly?
lol. Clueless. Take a step back, take a deep breath. Stop flipping burgers for a sec so you can see that they are building a game. is it done? Nope. Are you helping? Nope. Do I care? Only enough to post a snarky response |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
702
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Dude, it's a forum. Oh my god, how dare I express my opinion
BURN HIM, BURN HIM!!! Hmm, I think Jin was expressing his opinion too. I think that's the point. Also, sooo many players do have a very inflated opinion of themselves, how leet they are, how much they "know" fpses, and how right they are. Still, the only people I see "doing" here, rather than talking, is CCP. I haven't attacked Jin, I don't think, I'm strictly stating my opinion on the matter as someone who's played DUST for 15 months now. And seriously, your last sentence? What, should every forum user become a member of CCP so they can try and "do" something? Of course people are talking, it's a freaking forum >_< Jin Robot wrote:Well, there will always be competition. If you allow fear of that to direct.your methods, you have lost. I dont think they are scared. Btw none of those games are proven either. Its mostly troll fodder thrown in here to create panic and get your way. Thankfully i.think CCP is used to trolls trying to manipulate. Not learning from and adapting to the competition is a surefire way to become a bookmark in the FPS history pages Or in the all encompassing words of EVE: Adapt or Die
Agreed. My point though, is that far too many people here seem to think they know how things should be run, despite having no experience doing so. That's my point about "doing" It's one thing to make suggestions. It's another to whine constantly, be rude, egotistical and a douche. I'm seeing a lot of that lately, and, well, it isn't justified. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1582
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:23:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's not just the militia weapons that need to be introduced. When a fit can cost you 10M SP, knowing the 4 months in advance it takes to get there that is what you want, will make you more likely to purchase aur advantages to get there sooner, or just play more often so server populations aren't so low. Or you guys could just take your cry to some other game. I and many others are happy with the system.
You people keep saying this, and reasonable people keep taking your advice.
I'm not sure you want everyone who thinks the game is currently awful to just straight up leave, I fear you'd be left on a server with a few dozen other people. |
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Secondary Fool
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for. I was unaware that militia items operated like prototype items at max skill levels. Wow, I'm so happy you showed me the way. Either give us a way to test builds before we build them, or give us something to do in game.
You wanted try before you buy? You expect to have full power for nothing apparently, ccp gave anyone who applied for a respec a respec. I'd kill for a respec on eve, be grateful you have for you get in opportunities to things. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3723
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:25:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:It's another to whine constantly, be rude, egotistical and a douche. I'm seeing a lot of that lately, and, well, it isn't justified.
True, but that's any gaming forum ever :/
Ever visited the Starcraft 2 forums? I haven't in a few years, but damn, it's almost as bad as these forums sometimes, and definitely much more hostile. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
861
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:28:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's not just the militia weapons that need to be introduced. When a fit can cost you 10M SP, knowing the 4 months in advance it takes to get there that is what you want, will make you more likely to purchase aur advantages to get there sooner, or just play more often so server populations aren't so low. Or you guys could just take your cry to some other game. I and many others are happy with the system. You people keep saying this, and reasonable people keep taking your advice. I'm not sure you want everyone who thinks the game is currently awful to just straight up leave, I fear you'd be left on a server with a few dozen other people. Sure do wish people would read more than the post they respond to. I would rather the servers empty than it to be corrupted into the whiners version, where the TAC is unnerfed and we get 2 respecs a day and all the uniqueness is watered down because its "not like all the other lobby fps" |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3724
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:29:00 -
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Secondary Fool wrote:You wanted try before you buy? You expect to have full power for nothing apparently, ccp gave anyone who applied for a respec a respec. I'd kill for a respec on eve, be grateful you have for you get in opportunities to things.
So what do you in EVE, shoot reds all day?
A VR room would merely let you test out the equipment and different builds before you invested SP into a build that might not work as intended, or might not be as fun as you initially thought.
After all, you're stuck with your decision. You don't get to pick up a different weapon, or spawn in a new loadout, unless you've gone through the grind to make that one of your options. Of course you can go omni and be "versatile", but you'll be laughed at by anyone with a reasonable build in game.
This game either needs occasional respecs, a way to test builds before building them, or actual MMO aspects that don't involve player A shooting player B all day every day in the same two game modes plus their variations. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1585
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:It's another to whine constantly, be rude, egotistical and a douche. I'm seeing a lot of that lately, and, well, it isn't justified. True, but that's any gaming forum ever :/ Ever visited the Starcraft 2 forums? I haven't in a few years, but damn, it's almost as bad as these forums sometimes, and definitely much more hostile.
and that game isn't even terrible! |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3724
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:33:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:and that game isn't even terrible!
I would still play but my arthritis really messes with my APM :/ |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1585
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:56:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's not just the militia weapons that need to be introduced. When a fit can cost you 10M SP, knowing the 4 months in advance it takes to get there that is what you want, will make you more likely to purchase aur advantages to get there sooner, or just play more often so server populations aren't so low. Or you guys could just take your cry to some other game. I and many others are happy with the system. You people keep saying this, and reasonable people keep taking your advice. I'm not sure you want everyone who thinks the game is currently awful to just straight up leave, I fear you'd be left on a server with a few dozen other people. Sure do wish people would read more than the post they respond to. I would rather the servers empty than it to be corrupted into the whiners version, where the TAC is unnerfed and we get 2 respecs a day and all the uniqueness is watered down because its "not like all the other lobby fps"
It's already exactly like all the other lobby fps, except full of frame rate problems and lag, bad shooting mechanics, terrible mechanics, and a pointless grind. People whine and complain because the reality is so insanely far off from the game CCP claim to be making. It's almost as if the developers exist in some alternative reality in which Dust is something other than an extremely shallow lobby FPS.
When the servers empty, what point with CCP have to continue developing? |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:03:00 -
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The VR should double as a test server (or rather, the other way round) and connect to SISI instead of TQ; not only can you test your stuff, but CCP can also use it as a valuable feedback to test patches in a live environment before hitting the main game.
It'd be built right into the welcome screen, and we should finally be given a "log out" button. |
RoundEy3
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:07:00 -
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J-Lewis wrote:The VR should double as a test server (or rather, the other way round) and connect to SISI instead of TQ; not only can you test your stuff, but CCP can also use it as a valuable feedback to test patches in a live environment before hitting the main game. It'd be built right into the welcome screen, and we should finally be given a "log out" button. ... One can only dream.
THIS!...... Is a really good idea. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
288
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:07:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Secondary Fool wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:In case you didn't know, some other games actually let you try before you buy. The need for this in a game where you have to spend months for each item seems obvious. CCP has no need to do this, but it would be the right thing to do. Saying there will never be another respec is boxing themselves in, especially when the player count is an insignificant fraction of what they intended and expected. Try militia or aur items, its what its for. I was unaware that militia items operated like prototype items at max skill levels. Wow, I'm so happy you showed me the way. Either give us a way to test builds before we build them, or give us something to do in game.
They said that they'll be introducing testing labs and stuff like that down the road for us to well...... test things in. So there you go. |
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GM Hercules
Game Masters C C P Alliance
463
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:11:00 -
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Ok,
I am closing this now for flaming.
DUST 514 is free to play and players are allow to specialize in different career paths. The career path that the player select is always under player discretion.
Highly recommend that you guys read the Q&A here: |
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