DUST Search - LAV running people over

Harpyja wrote:

Skihids wrote:

Justicar Karnellia wrote:

I think everyone agrees there is an issue, I just hope a solution is implemented soon, here's the suggestions that we've seen so far in this thread (and others).

- Taking damage proportional to the type of dropsuit (light frame less damage, heavy frame lots of damage):
I find this idea realistic and balanced. If you've ever hit a deer with your car you'll now, I saw a car hit a boar, the car's engine block was toast.. the boar walked off limping. :)

- Driver takes damage (aka whiplash) when he hits a dropsuit, especially at terminal velocity: makes sense.

- Slowing down the car per collision (again, dependent on the frame you hit and at what speed): makes double/triple roadkills less likely

- below a certain speed, roadkill death is impossible. This one is really important, how many times have you been run over in a small space by a guy advancing and reversing at about 10 miles an hour.

- Increase the window size to be able to hit the driver. At the moment, if you're from the front, it is extremely difficult to hit the drivers head with anything without a scope. From the side it's easier, that window should be left alone.

- Decrease hitpoints of LAV's in general. Never really understood why they were increased by 70%, I felt this made a mockery of the entire beta. You could decrease them gradually until you find the sweet spot.

There we go, combining the above or just picking one would be a start - hopefully they'll be as reactive as they were when people cried about tactical AR's.

Some of that is already in the game:

My LLAV already slows down on a collision. I hit a heavy at moderate speed and stop dead.

I do partial damage to a suit unless I'm driving pretty fast.

Some of your suggestions are just bad:

I disagree with the driver damage. I wear my seatbelt and that's enough to prevent any damage.

Exposing the driver further or reducing the eHP of the vehicle will just make the LAV useless overall.

^^
I've even had cases where I come to a dead stop and my rear wheels come off the ground and my front bumper rams into the ground after hitting medium and heavy dropsuits.

I've been shot out of my Charybdis more times than I would prefer! So no to increasing the 'windows'.

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Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 272	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:29:00 - [1] - Quote Simple suggestion, just make them take an = amount of damage to what they kill. and maybe add a Brush Guard module that reduce that to taking 20, 30 and 40% less return damage.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1541	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:28:00 - [2] - Quote shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction.
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:30:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. We have a genius in the room.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 275	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:31:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. I was think more specifically for hitting people not just taking damage in general
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1542	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:54:00 - [5] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. I was think more specifically for hitting people not just taking damage in general Why would I fit a brush guard when I can just activate a hardener that works for more than running people over?
Terry Webber Turalyon Plus 111	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:10:00 - [6] - Quote I just want what OP wants: make LAVs get damage from roadkills.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 275	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:25:00 - [7] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ops Fox wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. I was think more specifically for hitting people not just taking damage in general Why would I fit a brush guard when I can just activate a hardener that works for more than running people over? Ive always thought activating modules was kinda clunky this would be a more passive way of doing it
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 110	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:35:00 - [8] - Quote REVERT ALL LAVS BACK TO CHROMOSOME EHP LEVEL !! Give normal LAVs a bonus to small turret damage and a standard bonus to turret tracking speed. Redo LLAVs to instead of have this clunky rep tool make it work liek a traige nanohive just with a range of maybe 30-40 meters. Any kind of dropsuit entering it's radius will begin to get reps. It can then rep as many as there can be in there an of course the driver will get WPs (restricted only by the current repping WP restrictions of course) for his repping duty. Boom boom now give me some likes
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1445	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:41:00 - [9] - Quote Just raise the amount of speed you need to OHK someone. You shouldn't be able to run someone over at 2m/s. HP is fine, but pilots should lose WP when their vehicles are destroyed. That way people driving murder taxis will actually try to do something other than using their front bumper to kill someone and put that turret to use. Also, aiming mechanics for turrets need to be reworked. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone die to an LAV turret in this build. Hell, one finger...
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 611	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:55:00 - [10] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ops Fox wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. I was think more specifically for hitting people not just taking damage in general Why would I fit a brush guard when I can just activate a hardener that works for more than running people over? Ive always thought activating modules was kinda clunky this would be a more passive way of doing it I have only two active modules on Charybdis and ones the infantry repairer guess what the other is. I have no problem with modules. and don't get me wrong I can the methena in the last build for a bit. active modules are not a big pain.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1542	Posted - 2013.06.13 00:01:00 - [11] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ops Fox wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: shield/armor resistance = brush guards But support- for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. I was think more specifically for hitting people not just taking damage in general Why would I fit a brush guard when I can just activate a hardener that works for more than running people over? Ive always thought activating modules was kinda clunky this would be a more passive way of doing it I guess there could be a chassis mod for it- but there should probably be more to it than just reducing head-on collision damage. Hell, make some chassis to reduce ALL collision damage! time to go make a chassis thread.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 277	Posted - 2013.06.13 00:18:00 - [12] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: REVERT ALL LAVS BACK TO CHROMOSOME EHP LEVEL !! Give normal LAVs a bonus to small turret damage and a standard bonus to turret tracking speed. Redo LLAVs to instead of have this clunky rep tool make it work liek a traige nanohive just with a range of maybe 30-40 meters. Any kind of dropsuit entering it's radius will begin to get reps. It can then rep as many as there can be in there an of course the driver will get WPs (restricted only by the current repping WP restrictions of course) for his repping duty. Boom boom now give me some likes Simplest solution works best, the more they change the more that could go wrong with what we have now. Occam razor and Murphy law in practice. just give lav damage for hitting people and see what happens as far as balancing if more is needed afterwords go for it.
SickJ sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2013.06.13 04:44:00 - [13] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: Redo LLAVs to instead of have this clunky rep tool make it work liek a traige nanohive just with a range of maybe 30-40 meters. Any kind of dropsuit entering it's radius will begin to get reps. It can then rep as many as there can be in there an of course the driver will get WPs (restricted only by the current repping WP restrictions of course) for his repping duty. Oh man can you imagine having that on a HAV?
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 116	Posted - 2013.06.13 07:12:00 - [14] - Quote Removing lav roadkills are the only solution to this abuse that makes sense. Taking damage for roadkill would not be enough to deter it and could be reped away with ease Adding cost to mlt lavs would not solve it. Most players don't even think about isk anyone else can afford mlt gear. Lower LAV HP this would solve most roadkill issues but would than make lavs not viable again. Especially logi lavs that are supposed to be able to heal during combat.
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 18	Posted - 2013.06.13 07:46:00 - [15] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Removing lav roadkills are the only solution to this abuse that makes sense. [/list] Incorrect. Reduce acceleration of LLAVS and grant warpoints for their intended purpose.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.06.13 07:48:00 - [16] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: Incorrect. Reduce acceleration of LLAVS and grant warpoints for their intended purpose. Correct. you are incorrect.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 145	Posted - 2013.06.13 08:45:00 - [17] - Quote Simple fix: make the people fly when I hit them, and only hurt them. When I'm going full speed in the road however, your dead. simple. Peace, Godin
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.06.13 09:15:00 - [18] - Quote I think everyone agrees there is an issue, I just hope a solution is implemented soon, here's the suggestions that we've seen so far in this thread (and others). - Taking damage proportional to the type of dropsuit (light frame less damage, heavy frame lots of damage): I find this idea realistic and balanced. If you've ever hit a deer with your car you'll now, I saw a car hit a boar, the car's engine block was toast.. the boar walked off limping. :) - Driver takes damage (aka whiplash) when he hits a dropsuit, especially at terminal velocity: makes sense. - Slowing down the car per collision (again, dependent on the frame you hit and at what speed): makes double/triple roadkills less likely - below a certain speed, roadkill death is impossible. This one is really important, how many times have you been run over in a small space by a guy advancing and reversing at about 10 miles an hour. - Increase the window size to be able to hit the driver. At the moment, if you're from the front, it is extremely difficult to hit the drivers head with anything without a scope. From the side it's easier, that window should be left alone. - Decrease hitpoints of LAV's in general. Never really understood why they were increased by 70%, I felt this made a mockery of the entire beta. You could decrease them gradually until you find the sweet spot. There we go, combining the above or just picking one would be a start - hopefully they'll be as reactive as they were when people cried about tactical AR's.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.06.13 09:43:00 - [19] - Quote ^ you forgot my suggestion. Which would also be the easiest to implement.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1596	Posted - 2013.06.13 10:49:00 - [20] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: I think everyone agrees there is an issue, I just hope a solution is implemented soon, here's the suggestions that we've seen so far in this thread (and others). - Taking damage proportional to the type of dropsuit (light frame less damage, heavy frame lots of damage): I find this idea realistic and balanced. If you've ever hit a deer with your car you'll now, I saw a car hit a boar, the car's engine block was toast.. the boar walked off limping. :) - Driver takes damage (aka whiplash) when he hits a dropsuit, especially at terminal velocity: makes sense. - Slowing down the car per collision (again, dependent on the frame you hit and at what speed): makes double/triple roadkills less likely - below a certain speed, roadkill death is impossible. This one is really important, how many times have you been run over in a small space by a guy advancing and reversing at about 10 miles an hour. - Increase the window size to be able to hit the driver. At the moment, if you're from the front, it is extremely difficult to hit the drivers head with anything without a scope. From the side it's easier, that window should be left alone. - Decrease hitpoints of LAV's in general. Never really understood why they were increased by 70%, I felt this made a mockery of the entire beta. You could decrease them gradually until you find the sweet spot. There we go, combining the above or just picking one would be a start - hopefully they'll be as reactive as they were when people cried about tactical AR's. Some of that is already in the game: My LLAV already slows down on a collision. I hit a heavy at moderate speed and stop dead. I do partial damage to a suit unless I'm driving pretty fast. Some of your suggestions are just bad: I disagree with the driver damage. I wear my seatbelt and that's enough to prevent any damage. Exposing the driver further or reducing the eHP of the vehicle will just make the LAV useless overall.

Mortedeamor Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 72	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: Simple suggestion, just make them take an = amount of damage to what they kill. and maybe add a Brush Guard module that reduce that to taking 20, 30 and 40% less return damage. your there ..but not quite...the only way to do this would be to scale the damage the lavs recieve by the type of frame for example..light33% medium 33%and heavy99%....then maybe the number by the lav's res...if the suit has resistances which ccp could apply to things like sentinel suit another reason to go sentinel over amar for forge users...so for example a sentinel suit proto jacked up say has 1300 hp ...25% run over res charybdis tanked all hpand booster max res skills has around 50% res so 1300*.25+325 so charybdis takes 975....now vs mlt lav no res's say 1300 hp.....so we take the res skill 25% and add the 325 to the heavies dmg dealt so 1625 lav dies heavy walks through it....i suppose the proto sentinel should actually has the equivilant of the proto logi lav so...48% now this res stat only applies to runover but i would like it to apply to vehicle damage period..and have runover just be a factor. so even a charybdis should pause when hes thinking about runing over those 3 heavies and theyre logi crossing the street...god forbid one or 2 of them are packing serious av nades
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 17	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:48:00 - [22] - Quote Rather than pulling numbers out of the air why not just base the damage off the HP of the victim? Maybe not 1 for 1 but at least proportional. Perhaps x hp worth of armour should deal more reciprocal damage than x hp worth of shield? Also make vehicles deal damage to dropsuits depending on their speed (and weight?) rather than just insta-killing. Slowing the vehicle down is also a good idea. I'd like to see dropsuits (whether they survive the collision or not) go flying too. But that would be harder to implement.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 115	Posted - 2013.06.13 12:55:00 - [23] - Quote Skihids wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: I think everyone agrees there is an issue, I just hope a solution is implemented soon, here's the suggestions that we've seen so far in this thread (and others). - Taking damage proportional to the type of dropsuit (light frame less damage, heavy frame lots of damage): I find this idea realistic and balanced. If you've ever hit a deer with your car you'll now, I saw a car hit a boar, the car's engine block was toast.. the boar walked off limping. :) - Driver takes damage (aka whiplash) when he hits a dropsuit, especially at terminal velocity: makes sense. - Slowing down the car per collision (again, dependent on the frame you hit and at what speed): makes double/triple roadkills less likely - below a certain speed, roadkill death is impossible. This one is really important, how many times have you been run over in a small space by a guy advancing and reversing at about 10 miles an hour. - Increase the window size to be able to hit the driver. At the moment, if you're from the front, it is extremely difficult to hit the drivers head with anything without a scope. From the side it's easier, that window should be left alone. - Decrease hitpoints of LAV's in general. Never really understood why they were increased by 70%, I felt this made a mockery of the entire beta. You could decrease them gradually until you find the sweet spot. There we go, combining the above or just picking one would be a start - hopefully they'll be as reactive as they were when people cried about tactical AR's. Some of that is already in the game: My LLAV already slows down on a collision. I hit a heavy at moderate speed and stop dead. I do partial damage to a suit unless I'm driving pretty fast. Some of your suggestions are just bad: I disagree with the driver damage. I wear my seatbelt and that's enough to prevent any damage. Exposing the driver further or reducing the eHP of the vehicle will just make the LAV useless overall. ^^ I've even had cases where I come to a dead stop and my rear wheels come off the ground and my front bumper rams into the ground after hitting medium and heavy dropsuits. I've been shot out of my Charybdis more times than I would prefer! So no to increasing the 'windows'.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1553	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:21:00 - [24] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Skihids wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: I think everyone agrees there is an issue, I just hope a solution is implemented soon, here's the suggestions that we've seen so far in this thread (and others). - Taking damage proportional to the type of dropsuit (light frame less damage, heavy frame lots of damage): I find this idea realistic and balanced. If you've ever hit a deer with your car you'll now, I saw a car hit a boar, the car's engine block was toast.. the boar walked off limping. :) - Driver takes damage (aka whiplash) when he hits a dropsuit, especially at terminal velocity: makes sense. - Slowing down the car per collision (again, dependent on the frame you hit and at what speed): makes double/triple roadkills less likely - below a certain speed, roadkill death is impossible. This one is really important, how many times have you been run over in a small space by a guy advancing and reversing at about 10 miles an hour. - Increase the window size to be able to hit the driver. At the moment, if you're from the front, it is extremely difficult to hit the drivers head with anything without a scope. From the side it's easier, that window should be left alone. - Decrease hitpoints of LAV's in general. Never really understood why they were increased by 70%, I felt this made a mockery of the entire beta. You could decrease them gradually until you find the sweet spot. There we go, combining the above or just picking one would be a start - hopefully they'll be as reactive as they were when people cried about tactical AR's. Some of that is already in the game: My LLAV already slows down on a collision. I hit a heavy at moderate speed and stop dead. I do partial damage to a suit unless I'm driving pretty fast. Some of your suggestions are just bad: I disagree with the driver damage. I wear my seatbelt and that's enough to prevent any damage. Exposing the driver further or reducing the eHP of the vehicle will just make the LAV useless overall. ^^ I've even had cases where I come to a dead stop and my rear wheels come off the ground and my front bumper rams into the ground after hitting medium and heavy dropsuits. I've been shot out of my Charybdis more times than I would prefer! So no to increasing the 'windows'. Yep. The biggest issue last build with LAVs was that eHP of the LAV doesn't matter when an AI blaster turret still headshots you out of the driver's seat every time.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1600	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:31:00 - [25] - Quote Honestly, my kill count has dropped quite a bit over the past couple weeks as people wise up. I don't find many mercs playing in the street any more and most are sticking near enough to cover or hills that they can get away before I can get to them. Light and medium frame suits do a good job of jumping and dodging as they run to cover so I miss a lot of them too. I've lost more LAVs to getting stuck or tipped over as I try for the harder to get players.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 279	Posted - 2013.06.13 15:35:00 - [26] - Quote I thought it would be simplier to just do it like iif you hit a scout with 170 hp and kill him the LAV take 170 damage, if you hit a heavy with 500 hp and kill him you take 500 damage. if that same heavy were to lets say be injured and only have 300 hp at the time you run him over the LAV would only take 300. This would be the simplist solution and would take into account any new suits or different fits, i mean wouldn't a heavy covered in complexe plates cause more damage than a vanilla heavy, even though they are both Heavy suits. I think just dealing the damage delt back on to the LAV is the quickest and simplest solution and then we can add or take away more things. The more things we change the more we risk ruining the current balance so changing as little as possible is important and this would get the most reaction for the smallest actual change.
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 7	Posted - 2013.06.13 16:50:00 - [27] - Quote I like the LAV taking the same amount of damage they inflict. It is good and simple. Although I haven't seen any dev blogs about it I can safely say that LAVs have already had some of the changes: The "bumper" is smaller so it's harder to hit people, they stop when they hit a heavy, and they don't instakill people when going slow like they used to. Also, they die super easy to AV grenades when they get slowed down. What I really really really want is for the turrets to be useful. Better aiming and a shield so you don't get shot instantly when trying to use them.
RoundEy3 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.06.13 17:49:00 - [28] - Quote I honestly don't see how there can be so many consistent complaints about being run over by lavs. It's never been something I've even taken seriously. I mean there is a near free militia AV fit that will destroy most lav's end of story. I do not see how one could be run over more than twice in a row before they're like fk it I'm blowing that sunuva b*h up. How? Just how do LAV's ruin these peoples' days soo much???? Swarm Launchers... use em
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.06.13 18:23:00 - [29] - Quote People need to stop calling for nerfs for LAVs when the real issue is that they simply refuse to adapt. Well, maybe not the real issue. Cause the real issue is that LLAVs aren't used for their intended purpose, cause their's no incentive for their intended purpose. Also, that other poster was right on the money: what does LAV mean?
RoundEy3 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.06.13 18:23:00 - [30] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: Well, maybe not the real issue. Cause the real issue is that LLAVs aren't used for their intended purpose, cause their's no incentive for their intended purpose. Also, that other poster was right on the money: what does LAV mean? Light Assault Vehicle Also, I can't agree with the whole intended purpose argument. Any piece of equipment brought to the battle field is intended to help you win the fight. Running people over helps win the fight. Intended purpose right there.



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