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Wolfgang Erikson
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:06:00 -
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I don't get why everybody seems so worried that this game will die, and then just go and talk crap about it all day.
What do you think new players will do when the current player base only talks crap about it. Let alone the people who haven't even played yet. They will leave or not even bother trying.
I know this game has some issues and I want some things fixed, but I'm not about to go declaring That this game sucks to the whole world. I love this game.
There are ways to express your grievances and concerns without degrading the name of the game or the company that makes it. If you are worried about the life of this game, Stop talking crap and start encouraging new players and supporting CPP.
The biggest way to kill a product is when the users talk it down. Grow Up. Negative talk spreads like a virus. |
BobThe843CakeMan
BurgezzE.T.F
507
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:07:00 -
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Battlefront 3 |
CAPT vodkaTRAIN37
west coast special operations
5
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:07:00 -
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bacon |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
340
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:07:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Battlefront 3
yeah |
spooktiz54
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:18:00 -
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Wolfgang Erikson wrote:I don't get why everybody seems so worried that this game will die, and then just go and talk crap about it all day.
What do you think new players will do when the current player base only talks crap about it. Let alone the people who haven't even played yet. They will leave or not even bother trying.
I know this game has some issues and I want some things fixed, but I'm not about to go declaring That this game sucks to the whole world. I love this game.
There are ways to express your grievances and concerns without degrading the name of the game or the company that makes it. If you are worried about the life of this game, Stop talking crap and start encouraging new players and supporting CPP.
The biggest way to kill a product is when the dedicated players say it sucks, instead of taking about what they love and why people should play. Grow Up. Negative talk spreads like a virus. i agree with this guy better post than mine |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:20:00 -
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Compared to FPS's 5 years old, ya this game does suck all around. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
660
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:23:00 -
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Wolfgang Erikson wrote:I don't get why everybody seems so worried that this game will die, and then just go and talk crap about it all day.
What do you think new players will do when the current player base only talks crap about it. Let alone the people who haven't even played yet. They will leave or not even bother trying.
I know this game has some issues and I want some things fixed, but I'm not about to go declaring That this game sucks to the whole world. I love this game.
There are ways to express your grievances and concerns without degrading the name of the game or the company that makes it. If you are worried about the life of this game, Stop talking crap and start encouraging new players and supporting CPP.
The biggest way to kill a product is when the dedicated players say it sucks, instead of taking about what they love and why people should play. Grow Up. Negative talk spreads like a virus.
Most of the playerbase can barely form sentences, so we should probably forgive them for not being able to come up with an idea, let alone constructive criticism. Probably most don't even know what constructive criticism is, and many, surely, don't have any clue as to what might help.
So, they whine. 'Cause that's what babies do. |
spooktiz54
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:26:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Wolfgang Erikson wrote:I don't get why everybody seems so worried that this game will die, and then just go and talk crap about it all day.
What do you think new players will do when the current player base only talks crap about it. Let alone the people who haven't even played yet. They will leave or not even bother trying.
I know this game has some issues and I want some things fixed, but I'm not about to go declaring That this game sucks to the whole world. I love this game.
There are ways to express your grievances and concerns without degrading the name of the game or the company that makes it. If you are worried about the life of this game, Stop talking crap and start encouraging new players and supporting CPP.
The biggest way to kill a product is when the dedicated players say it sucks, instead of taking about what they love and why people should play. Grow Up. Negative talk spreads like a virus. Most of the playerbase can barely form sentences, so we should probably forgive them for not being able to come up with an idea, let alone constructive criticism. Probably most don't even know what constructive criticism is, and many, surely, don't have any clue as to what might help. So, they whine. 'Cause that's what babies do. but still on forums and still play if they really felt that way they wouldn't be |
GLiMPSE X
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
124
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:26:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:So, they whine. 'Cause that's what babies do.
Hear, hear. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:30:00 -
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Constructive criticism?
Ever check out the feedback/suggestion section?
It's full of constructive criticism and it may as well be the place where hopes and dreams go to be ignored and die. |
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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
340
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:33:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Wolfgang Erikson wrote:I don't get why everybody seems so worried that this game will die, and then just go and talk crap about it all day.
What do you think new players will do when the current player base only talks crap about it. Let alone the people who haven't even played yet. They will leave or not even bother trying.
I know this game has some issues and I want some things fixed, but I'm not about to go declaring That this game sucks to the whole world. I love this game.
There are ways to express your grievances and concerns without degrading the name of the game or the company that makes it. If you are worried about the life of this game, Stop talking crap and start encouraging new players and supporting CPP.
The biggest way to kill a product is when the dedicated players say it sucks, instead of taking about what they love and why people should play. Grow Up. Negative talk spreads like a virus. Most of the playerbase can barely form sentences, so we should probably forgive them for not being able to come up with an idea, let alone constructive criticism. Probably most don't even know what constructive criticism is, and many, surely, don't have any clue as to what might help. So, they whine. 'Cause that's what babies do.
Your bib's on crooked. |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
206
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:40:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Battlefront 3
The Last Of Us
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
416
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:40:00 -
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Fix the game! That's my constructive criticism. |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
150
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:02:00 -
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well i'd love to get into dialog with devs and make suggestions.... but they don't seem interested in that. despite all the claims of openness from devs and "information is coming soon", nothing happens. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
665
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:04:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:well i'd love to get into dialog with devs and make suggestions.... but they don't seem interested in that. despite all the claims of openness from devs and "information is coming soon", nothing happens.
Hmm,
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&find=unread |
Wolfgang Erikson
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:04:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:Compared to FPS's 5 years old, ya this game does suck all around.
Yeah but why do we always have to compare? We know it's not an a-list blockbuster. It's a free to play FPS that offers a fun experience. Do you really not enjoy playing this game? Or do you just not like losing?
Just because it isn't a tier one game and compare with games like battlefields doesn't mean it can't be fun. Your right, this game isn't on the same level as those other games, but I don't expect it to be. It's a lower level FPS But what's wrong with that. It's silly to compare this game to other games out of its league.
Have played lots of FPS's and ones "better" than this one, and honestly I have more fun playing this one. I support this game because I want it to keep playing it, and others to as well. btw IV only bought the merc pack, and have only been playing for 2 months. 1 month before uprising, 1 month after.
Mike Poole wrote:Constructive criticism?
Ever check out the feedback/suggestion section?
It's full of constructive criticism and it may as well be the place where hopes and dreams go to be ignored and die.
Yes I have. There is good stuff in there but mostly QQ. This post is not meant for you and those other good people. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:05:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:well i'd love to get into dialog with devs and make suggestions.... but they don't seem interested in that. despite all the claims of openness from devs and "information is coming soon", nothing happens.
If i was in a discussion with a dev, i would be tempted to punch them in the face in hopes their balls drop and testosterone rise so they can make a proper FPS. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
665
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:06:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:well i'd love to get into dialog with devs and make suggestions.... but they don't seem interested in that. despite all the claims of openness from devs and "information is coming soon", nothing happens. If i was in a discussion with a dev, i would be tempted to punch them in the face in hopes their balls drop and testosterone rise so they can make a proper FPS.
I'm guessing that yours haven't. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:09:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Anita Hardone wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:well i'd love to get into dialog with devs and make suggestions.... but they don't seem interested in that. despite all the claims of openness from devs and "information is coming soon", nothing happens. If i was in a discussion with a dev, i would be tempted to punch them in the face in hopes their balls drop and testosterone rise so they can make a proper FPS. I'm guessing that yours haven't.
Ohh nice. You got me. That took so much thought. If i wanted some come back id get it off your lip. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
350
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:10:00 -
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Eve players were awarded 50,000 SP for the sever issues the week before.
We were told soon. We were told respecs were coming soon. We had isk taken from us causing all sorts of drama, but continue to lose isk from failed PC mechanics, disconnects, etc.
People are pissed.
They've dropped a ton of money on a game that likely to get left in the dust when the PS4 comes out if people even stick around that long.
I've tried to stay optimistic, but damn its getting tough.
The frustration is compounded because there were many people warning of potential issues. Imagine if PC was released a month before uprising for testing.
I've got too much at stake to walk away as I've dropped hundreds of dollars on this game, but I fear I'll be playing again 2 or 3 enemy on the other side most of the time. |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
665
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:11:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Anita Hardone wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:well i'd love to get into dialog with devs and make suggestions.... but they don't seem interested in that. despite all the claims of openness from devs and "information is coming soon", nothing happens. If i was in a discussion with a dev, i would be tempted to punch them in the face in hopes their balls drop and testosterone rise so they can make a proper FPS. I'm guessing that yours haven't. Ohh nice. You got me. That took so much thought. If i wanted some come back id get it off your lip.
Thanks for the confirmation. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:11:00 -
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Wolfgang Erikson wrote:Anita Hardone wrote:Compared to FPS's 5 years old, ya this game does suck all around. Yeah but why do we always have to compare? We know it's not an a-list blockbuster. It's a free to play FPS that offers a fun experience. Do you really not enjoy playing this game? Or do you just not like losing? Just because it isn't a tier one game and compare with games like battlefields doesn't mean it can't be fun. Your right, this game isn't on the same level as those other games, but I don't expect it to be. It's a lower level FPS But what's wrong with that. It's silly to compare this game to other games out of its league. Have played lots of FPS's and ones "better" than this one, and honestly I have more fun playing this one. I support this game because I want it to keep playing it, and others to as well. btw IV only bought the merc pack, and have only been playing for 2 months. 1 month before uprising, 1 month after.
This isn't about it not being an "a-list blockbuster".
This is about the game failing at many of the utter basics that should determine if a game even goes public. Basic control glitches, mechanics glitches, terrain glitches, equipment glitches...
You may be having fun but imagine how much fun you would be having if CCP didn't seemingly decide to cut corners by throwing this game to their C team that never developed a game before let alone ever played an FPS.
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Wolfgang Erikson
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:37:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Wolfgang Erikson wrote:Anita Hardone wrote:Compared to FPS's 5 years old, ya this game does suck all around. Yeah but why do we always have to compare? We know it's not an a-list blockbuster. It's a free to play FPS that offers a fun experience. Do you really not enjoy playing this game? Or do you just not like losing? Just because it isn't a tier one game and compare with games like battlefields doesn't mean it can't be fun. Your right, this game isn't on the same level as those other games, but I don't expect it to be. It's a lower level FPS But what's wrong with that. It's silly to compare this game to other games out of its league. Have played lots of FPS's and ones "better" than this one, and honestly I have more fun playing this one. I support this game because I want it to keep playing it, and others to as well. btw IV only bought the merc pack, and have only been playing for 2 months. 1 month before uprising, 1 month after. This isn't about it not being an "a-list blockbuster". This is about the game failing at many of the utter basics that should determine if a game even goes public. Basic control glitches, mechanics glitches, terrain glitches, equipment glitches... You may be having fun but imagine how much fun you would be having if CCP didn't seemingly decide to cut corners by throwing this game to their C team that never developed a game before let alone ever played an FPS.
Alright, that's fair. We could still encourage them to fix these issues without griefing them. Having been a developer before (nothing big) I can say nothing kills enthusiasm for improvement than haters.
I'm all for pointing out issues and helping the Dev team pinpoint troubled areas. Granted these kinds of issues need to be addressed, but I have confidence that CPP will do this, and I wish them in their efforts. I look forward to the fun I will have in the coming months and all new updates.
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Wakko03
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
194
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:45:00 -
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You want constructive criticism about why I am questioning why this game is becoming silly.
1. Not being able to play.... when you have a battle scheduled.
2. Reminds me of the commercials I used to see comparing cable phone to verizon....caller id, call waiting included (cable) , verizon....we're working on it.
3. Basic Armor Plate: +65HP -3% to Movement & Sprint Speed; so if your sprint speed is 6.6 ='s -0.198 = 6.402 (ccp says 6.40) Now Add in the Biotic Upgrade Skill 1% to level 3 should be 3% to sprint speed (0.198)... except it is not -- as CCP says they are not going to use the 1000ths place of the decimal point for this for this at level 3 (maybe when they get to level 5 you get it but so far I don't know as my requested skill respec is languishing in limbo); so even though 1% of 6.6 ='s 0.066 ccp says it is 0.06 (0.18) for a total speed of 6.58 -- now you got the module for sprint bonus... kinetic catalyzer which has a 1% bonus to module efficacy Basic is 5% boost to sprint speed, which is .33 for the 6.6 base level of suit. 1% of .33 is 0.0033 which makes it 0.3333 which ccp says is 0.33... where is the 1% module efficacy?
I can go on but the skill tree is a mess, and you only have to pick a skill to find out it is has a 65% chance of being useless. (and that is just the numbers that they have given us... unless you know the base level of the kick/ dispersion of the ar/ smg, how do you know if 5% is even worth it over some other skills) |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
41
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:46:00 -
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soon |
UNIsTaken
AMC Dropbears
25
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:47:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84259 I think this post sums it up more eloquently. and thanks to the moderator for renaming the title for me
UNIsTaken wrote:There's a level of entitlement that absolutely appalls me. It surely is a vocal minority but I feel like one of 3 adults in a childs playground full of spoilt little whingers.
CCP aren't your parents. In my oppinion CCP should start moderating more heavily and removing posts that aren't -constructive criticism-
If you don't like LAVs running people over (Or whatever else), post a suggestion in the right forum. If you like LAVs running people over, politely explain why they are wrong or 'fix' they could emply. A tiny bit of maturity would go a long way to keeping some atmosphere of fun in this community!
If you don't like this templar event, Does a post "CCP GET YOUR SHT TOGETHER" help anybody in any way?
MY constructive criticism that I would like CCP to hear? Start deleting the immature and self-entitled child-like posts to help clean up the atmosphere of this community. I'm sure the userbase are decent individuals but the vocal minority here seem to think you are their parents that didn't get them the right christmas presents. It's a real turn-off for adults to see.
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J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
807
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:03:00 -
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Firstly, 90% of players don't visit forums so they can't see the negativity.
Second, 75% only have to play the first five minutes to agree; constructively speaking, this game sucks. All around. No trolling here. Just truthful statement. There is little that you can point to and say "wow thats really good".
Ignoring the problems to make them go away is like a madman scribbling the words "darkness" on his cell to try and blot out the sun.
DUST has a long road ahead until it becomes a truly good game, or even decent. Atm its sub par. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
277
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:11:00 -
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stated everything good, stated everything bad, plethora of suggestions have been made, and we sit with no word of changes occurring at all.
patience carries me only so far and that deadline appears to be friday, with the release of the last of us.
January to June with nothing to even fix the stuff they broke is sad, i'll check back with patch releases to see if things improve otherwise I doubt i have a reason to play all that often. |
Wolfgang Erikson
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:45:00 -
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@ the last few posts.
Think your arguments are good. And I would like to see CPP make some changes. I do want to clarify that im not suggesting ignoring the problems, but maintaining positive outlooks. My main point is about not spreading negative attitudes. You do make good points about the % of people on the forums, but I still believe that even amidst ourselves it is still important, and also regarding keeping up moral among the devs. I do understand that patience runs thin at some point.
The well thought out arguments like yours are not what concern me, it's the constant immature QQ comments and posts about how dust is dead and not going to last the year. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:46:00 -
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there is a lot of good stuff on this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86450&find=unread - basically a copy of my post so perhaps before bringing it up on your own, participate in the current one. |
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