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negative49er
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
15
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:27:00 -
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Sniper are becoming to harder to kill, because we can't find their location. Due to the increase of size of the map, snipers now have the most advantage than anyone else. Also even if the killboard tells how far they are it doesn't matter if we don't know which way it came from. The hit marker only last for a second when you get hit by a sniper. Also what happen to the sniper shot trail we don't even see that anymore. A sniper should take a few shot and change location, not get 64/0. |
Heals Vaginas
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:34:00 -
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snipers get just about all their WP from kills, and are also supposed to be hard to track down...
One class that should be left as is IMO |
Raist Soulforge
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:03:00 -
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eh... haven't gotten enough dampening on mine yet, so they always seem to find me still.
Snipers need to build knowledge of the terrain, skills, gear....they have to work at mastering the job.
Just saying...they aren't that hard to find fresh out the box. |
Brutus Va'Khan
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:08:00 -
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It's the redline MCC snipers that people have problems with. Just make it so that the barrier in the MCC blocks all shots, do something similar with redline? |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
462
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:25:00 -
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If a sniper went 64/0. That's a good sniper. Leave him the fk alone.
Snipers have the advantage of being able to kill at long-range and............. that's it!
They won't capture anything. They won't blow up your vehicles, and they probably won't win a match. (Although I'm sure homeboy that went 64/0 on you guys definitely contributed to victory by clown out.)
Take a dropship and go look for him if you dare. He can't snipe the driver out. |
Heals Vaginas
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:29:00 -
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Brutus Va'Khan wrote:It's the redline MCC snipers that people have problems with. Just make it so that the barrier in the MCC blocks all shots, do something similar with redline?
Block MCC sniping YES Redline NO
redline snipers aren't invincible |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
207
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:40:00 -
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There used to be a scope glint if you aimed at another sniper through your scope what happened to that?
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Myles Aarne
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
23
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:04:00 -
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I might be wrong, but sniper range (at least on a charge sniper rifle) seems way down.
This means that snipers actually have to close in and use the terrain if they want to see and hit anything beyond 300-400m. So redline snipers can't hit more than half the map (yeah, I know, there are people who are unhappy unless sniper rifle range is less than assault rifle range, but their tears are the tastiest!). |
Nightbird Aeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
175
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:19:00 -
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Snipers should have their signature increased when moving or when firing, and drop off when static or not firing. That way, a sniper not moving or shooting should be damn near invisible... but shooting they should light up on your screen if your scan precision is good enough. |
Roldrage
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:13:00 -
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The draw distance should be increased, even if we can't give them the orange arrow of death we should be able to see them and work out how to get them back, not just hide an pray. |
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TheEnd762
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:41:00 -
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Sniper are SUPPOSED to be hard to find. QQ and stop standing still. |
Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
80
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:59:00 -
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Get an active Scanner and/or learn how to suicide track.
Suicide tracking basically involves running out to wear you believe a sniper may be aiming and using the hit direction from his shot to figure out his position. Possibly the most satisfying tactic ever. |
negative49er
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
15
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:43:00 -
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Lilah Silverstone wrote:Get an active Scanner and/or learn how to suicide track.
Suicide tracking basically involves running out to wear you believe a sniper may be aiming and using the hit direction from his shot to figure out his position. Possibly the most satisfying tactic ever.
can't afford to I use weapons that are ammo hogs |
Rachoi
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
91
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:13:00 -
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hah.... hahaha!
you really cant find a sniper? then pick up a sniper rifle/ if you can use a militia sniper rifle, you can scope in, and search the mountainsiddes and building tops, and if you get tagged... duck! and use that to shorten your search.
only real issue is if someone is using a Thale, because those ******* can shoot FOREVER |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
656
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:03:00 -
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I still think sniper rifles are too cheap. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2678
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:58:00 -
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Do what I do. Hunt snipers rather than running around in the open. |
Nikea Nei
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:04:00 -
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Snipers not rendering is the only thing that gets to me. |
DJINN Axeman
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
4
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:14:00 -
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I was a sniper in our military and guess what? It is ten times harder in real life to spot a sniper! I use every trick in the book in this game and I still get killed so quit your belly aching! Know your terrain and run in cover and use a strafing technique. You have the skills to avoid being sniped. You either don't use them or, to be honest, you're not very good! I wish they would give my sight range back! I have a gun that shoots farther than I can see because I have done it at 525m just because I knew they were there. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
462
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:31:00 -
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negative49er wrote:Sniper are becoming to harder to kill, because we can't find their location. Due to the increase of size of the map, snipers now have the most advantage than anyone else. Also even if the killboard tells how far they are it doesn't matter if we don't know which way it came from. The hit marker only last for a second when you get hit by a sniper. Also what happen to the sniper shot trail we don't even see that anymore. A sniper should take a few shot and change location, not get 64/0.
on ambush
So you're mad because someone is good at sniping? That kind of KDR RARELY HAPPENS- ESPECIALLY WITH SNIPERS. You're the person who ruined mass drivers, lasers, shotguns, HMG'a, and tanks. Go home. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
462
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:32:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I still think sniper rifles are too cheap.
I still think you're a bad player. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1573
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:45:00 -
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I guess there should be a dropsuit that's good at finding stuff like snipers- give it better scan stats and call it a scout. There could also be modules that increase its scanning abilities even more.
Either that, or add a type of handheld scanner as equipment. |
Stormy Geddon
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
54
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:40:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I guess there should be a dropsuit that's good at finding stuff like snipers- give it better scan stats and call it a scout. There could also be modules that increase its scanning abilities even more.
Either that, or add a type of handheld scanner as equipment.
Well played, sir. |
Brutus Va'Khan
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:46:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I guess there should be a dropsuit that's good at finding stuff like snipers- give it better scan stats and call it a scout. There could also be modules that increase its scanning abilities even more.
Either that, or add a type of handheld scanner as equipment. It surprises me that such things are not currently in the game. Oh wait... |
From Costa Rica
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.14 04:27:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I guess there should be a dropsuit that's good at finding stuff like snipers- give it better scan stats and call it a scout. There could also be modules that increase its scanning abilities even more.
Either that, or add a type of handheld scanner as equipment.
You sir, the force is strong in you.
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Vaux Karn
The Mercenary Collective
16
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Posted - 2013.06.14 07:07:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I guess there should be a dropsuit that's good at finding stuff like snipers- give it better scan stats and call it a scout. There could also be modules that increase its scanning abilities even more.
Either that, or add a type of handheld scanner as equipment.
Holy kittening kitten! He says it and miraculously the game has it yesterday! And the day bafore! And last week! And last month! So thats why nobody could find snipers before now! Scouts and active scanners were just figments of our imaginations until today. Well now no more excuses, if you can't find a sniper, then you fail. Not just at the game, but at life too! Kill yourself. At least then we wont have to see anymore "snipers are op" threads. |
Ku Shala
Planetary Response Organization
16
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:33:00 -
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Nikea Nei wrote:Snipers not rendering is the only thing that gets to me. nobody is rendering ! I see bullets i dont see targets |
Zanzbar clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
18
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:57:00 -
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Nikea Nei wrote:Snipers not rendering is the only thing that gets to me.
and in the past i was able to see and hit targets almost 1km out, now i cant see past 450m and hiting anthing outside that is often a guessing game as the target indicators seem to not always line up with the body that far out.
everyones draw distance got nerfed now istead of me shoting you from 800m and you shooting me back at 500m its me shooting you at 400 and you hiting me back at 250. there is no real difference other then the snippers being able to effectivly cover a smaller portion of the map so be happy. |
loumanchew
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:17:00 -
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It is much harder now to snipe than it used to be. Sure the maps are a little bigger but even if you red line, it is very hard to hit things as they are smaller. To make things worst, even with proto gear and 3 dam%, I still have to hit the same moving tiny target twice minimum for it to fall since people are rocking 700+ life. Not to mention my life total is 170. If it winds too hard I die. So yeah, try it for a while and see how ''easy'' it is. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1692
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:03:00 -
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Zanzbar clone wrote:Nikea Nei wrote:Snipers not rendering is the only thing that gets to me. and in the past i was able to see and hit targets almost 1km out, now i cant see past 450m and hiting anthing outside that is often a guessing game as the target indicators seem to not always line up with the body that far out. everyones draw distance got nerfed now istead of me shoting you from 800m and you shooting me back at 500m its me shooting you at 400 and you hiting me back at 250. there is no real difference other then the snipers being able to effectivly cover a smaller portion of the map so be happy. Actually, it used to be a glitch when you could see people that far |
bacon blaster
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
57
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:04:00 -
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newbie: Don't tell me that snipers need nerfing, you need to stop sucking. I've been playing since beta opened to eve players, and snipers got nerfed up the ass already. Ambush is a tiny map, so if you can't find him, you're doing one of a few things wrong: 1: skill into and use a proto active scanner. 2: Look in different places. chances are, he's not in the middle of your team 3: pay attention to where you're getting shot from 4: don't sit still and then gripe about how easy it is for snipers to kill you. move and dance around or WE WILL **** YOU 5: don't ***** about things because YOU SUCK |
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Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
90
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:03:00 -
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You guys remember the Karate Kid, when Mr. Miyagi said "best block is no be there"? That's how it is with snipers. I ******* hate getting sniped too but the counter is obvious. Just ******* move to cover. |
Zanzbar clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
18
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:14:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Zanzbar clone wrote:Nikea Nei wrote:Snipers not rendering is the only thing that gets to me. and in the past i was able to see and hit targets almost 1km out, now i cant see past 450m and hiting anthing outside that is often a guessing game as the target indicators seem to not always line up with the body that far out. everyones draw distance got nerfed now istead of me shoting you from 800m and you shooting me back at 500m its me shooting you at 400 and you hiting me back at 250. there is no real difference other then the snipers being able to effectivly cover a smaller portion of the map so be happy. Actually, it used to be a glitch when you could see people that far
yea the fog glitch made them light up like they were on a thermal scope, but even wiout the fog glitch highlighting them there were still people and structures being intentionaly drawn furter out than is possible now. i think the increased load of added textures and larger squads ment they needed to find a way to get more gpu headroom, and droping draw distance was an easy option as most players didnt need it that far. |
Mikael Murray
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:39:00 -
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Usually when you cant see em they are head glitching. |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
143
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:49:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Zanzbar clone wrote:Nikea Nei wrote:Snipers not rendering is the only thing that gets to me. and in the past i was able to see and hit targets almost 1km out, now i cant see past 450m and hiting anthing outside that is often a guessing game as the target indicators seem to not always line up with the body that far out. everyones draw distance got nerfed now istead of me shoting you from 800m and you shooting me back at 500m its me shooting you at 400 and you hiting me back at 250. there is no real difference other then the snipers being able to effectivly cover a smaller portion of the map so be happy. Actually, it used to be a glitch when you could see people that far
It was an effect of the lack of optimisation wasn't it, and not a bug per se? My render range was limited to around ~870m, where I could shoot to ~850. I was under the impression that the new optimisation just limited the distance at which players were rendered. Interestingly, this is tied directly to the range of the weapon equipped, as I get about ~650-700m render range from my Thales and ~450 from my charge.
loumanchew wrote:It is much harder now to snipe than it used to be. Sure the maps are a little bigger but even if you red line, it is very hard to hit things as they are smaller.
This isn't an effect of the relative map size; uprising introduced a decrease in zoom fidelity to all "standard" (non-tactical) sniper rifles, making them more effective in close-medium range and less effective at long range in comparison to its tactical counterparts. The tactical rifles stayed the same, as it was a bug in the last build that they didn't have a superior zoom fidelity. I haven't tested this, but it is my gut feeling that a tactical rifle, due to its superior zoom fidelity, would also render targets further than the 450m that limits the charge and other standard rifles. |
Doshneil Antaro
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
63
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:26:00 -
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My only argument about snipers is the draw distance. If he is smart, he should be hard to spot, but if he shoots as Im looking his direction, I should see at the very least a muzzle flash. Also, if he can see me without scoping in, then I too should be able to see him if my eyes are trained on him (minus good hiding on his part). All eye seeing distance should be the same. |
Doshneil Antaro
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
63
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:35:00 -
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More on draw distance: players shouldnt just vanish / appear. This is the cheesiest looking effect Ive ever seen. I can understand terrain because there is so much to render, but I cant remember a good fps that has this flaw/bug. Veh/player models usually render down till they are a spec, not this houdini act they do in this game. It is annoying and graphically unappealing, as well as unrealistic. This takes away from the immersion of actually being your character. |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:05:00 -
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Somewhat easy fixes:
1: Last-hit register should be sticky upon death so that players know from which direction they were struck. It's not much, but should help considerably with 'out of the blue'
2. MCC barrier. No, you shouldn't be able to snipe or Swarm Launch from the MCC bay. Idling in the MCC bay for longer than a minute should get you booted.
3. Players holding sniper rifles should always draw. This may be a little more involved for the graphics, but it shouldn't be a major performance hit to draw a small number of people. If I can headshot you, you have every right to be able to spot me back. Whether or not you *can* is a matter of competition and pride, but you should have the opportunity.
On the other end of the spectrum, it would be nice if there was a larger area where scoped targets lit up on my teams' minimaps. As it is, I have to have the durned dot reticle right on them to paint them. It's easier to shoot than to paint! |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
488
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:38:00 -
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Reading the sheer amount of "make sense" in this thread almost brings tears to my eyes.
*sob*
If the people that complained about snipers Pre-Chromosome had even a fraction of the common sense as the people on this thread, snipers would have never had to deal with the crap that they went through (and put people through) in Chromosome.
Props to all of you guys that know how to play as, and against, a sniper. It's seriously not fkin rocket science... |
T4K3RoftheSOUL
Pros On The Trigger
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:01:00 -
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If you dont like to be hit with a sniper... try not to be out in the open. I play a sniper in the game pretty often and let me tell you, its ALOT harder to hit someone that has cover to duck behind then when your sprinting across the open. DUCK AND WEAVE dude DUCK AND WEAVE!!!!!! |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
388
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:08:00 -
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So long as they need to be somewhere I can creep up behind them and stick my scrambler pistol in their neck, I don't give two squirts of **** about snipers.
It is the MCC snipers that **** me off, though TBH, the only ones I've seen doing that got countersniped quick. |
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T4K3RoftheSOUL
Pros On The Trigger
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:15:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:So long as they need to be somewhere I can creep up behind them and stick my scrambler pistol in their neck, I don't give two squirts of **** about snipers.
It is the MCC snipers that **** me off, though TBH, the only ones I've seen doing that got countersniped quick.
Being as I play a sniper role rather often, I have tried to MCC shot a couple of times and didnt like it due to the fact you really dont have that much view. However I would rather sit on a hill top and pick them off as they run to a point. Blaster users are my favorite |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
388
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:20:00 -
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I always take pride when I have killed a sniper the number of times after their slash in the end-of-match report. I get as giddy as a schoolgirl when they come back to the same spot thinking I've moved on.
Seriously, I abso-*******-lutely love it. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
117
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:40:00 -
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OP Title: Hard to track down snipers
My answer: Thats the point, deal with it. |
T4K3RoftheSOUL
Pros On The Trigger
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:53:00 -
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if your are really having that hard of a time OP, then maybe you should just call out your death taxi when you wanna run through the open. Or, just stay out of the open. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
227
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:55:00 -
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I agree with those who say the only issue is draw distance. I'm not a sniper, I'm a forge gunner, and when I'm near max range, a don't see anyone, I just see their chevrons. So I have to aim and hope. Thankfully I can still see vehicles. |
Terry Turner
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:01:00 -
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Wait till cloaking makes its way in. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
BetaMax. CRONOS.
100
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:36:00 -
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negative49er wrote:Sniper are becoming to harder to kill, because we can't find their location. Due to the increase of size of the map, snipers now have the most advantage than anyone else. Also even if the killboard tells how far they are it doesn't matter if we don't know which way it came from. The hit marker only last for a second when you get hit by a sniper. Also what happen to the sniper shot trail we don't even see that anymore. A sniper should take a few shot and change location, not get 64/0.
on ambush
edit: I guess I got to be more specific when say this topic, so to everyone that comment here what i mean
Yes I use a advance active scanner ( doesn't work well when you get shot from someone who is over 300 ft or worst over 400) Yes I nearly max out my scan precision( I can't remember is that the skill that increase you ability to see longer distance) Yes I went suicide tracking or whatever( not effective when you getting hit with THARS and Charge sniper rifle) It's very hard to kill someone at very-long-range ie he is keep running in chaotic directions, due the low frame rate. Description of Sniper Rifles tell's clearly that 'bullet' is moving with speed of 2500m/s, but even that there is small delay at distance shoots. Worst part is that delay is different at different range, so each time you are trying to kill new target you need to adjust some space between place where are you shooting and where is a victim(count in that everyone is moving with different speed ). Sniping may just sound as something easy, but it's not, and it's frustrating at some point..
PS Scanner, and scanner skills whant gone help you much against snipers, just try to fit as many tank as you can and stick to cover. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
539
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Posted - 2013.06.22 22:07:00 -
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Son, I average 2-3 sniper kills on snipers with my scrambler pistol... I use heavy.
Snipers are about as stealthy as drunk clowns. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2800
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Posted - 2013.06.22 22:17:00 -
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Except for the ones that perch in the MCC, I have no problem tracking snipers. |
Ferren Devarri
ARES.inc
27
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Posted - 2013.06.22 23:33:00 -
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Sniping isn't exactly easy. For one, getting LOS can be tough because of the map designs. There are very, very few open combat areas that are exposed to elevated positions, and a lot of hills, boxes, and walls to duck around. Anything closer than 100m and I just as well throw on some medium or heavy armor and join the fray (or not, depending on how the fight is going).
That's besides normal zig-zagging and the highly improbable chance I'll get a headshot. Body shots against the ever-common heavy armor really make me sad.
As such, most of my time isn't spent sniping, so much as countersniping. |
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:23:00 -
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Do actaive scanner work well for sniper hunting? They would if most weren't in the redline or MCC(in certain modes) |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
120
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:34:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:Do actaive scanner work well for sniper hunting? They would if most weren't in the redline or MCC(in certain modes)
I use active scanners and when tracking enemy snipers the best way is to use your EYES. Why? The Active scanner only shows you , IN YOUR RADAR the enemies. The problem is that in this game the radar range is no longer than 100mts, so if you scan towards the area a Sniper is but hes not in your radar range, you are still not gonna see him...
Still snipers are fine, stop asking for nerfs... |
Mitch M1987
THE SILENTS Diggers Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 07:13:00 -
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hmm just stating that currently the only time snipers get me pissed off is when a whole team snipes. they still lose but sucks moving when one hit and your dead.
a few snipers is plenty and if done right can turn the battle
don't need to nerf them just need to balance all the classes better |
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