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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
758
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Posted - 2013.06.11 02:39:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I'm just some random nub
blah blah blah
from an airbore swine. There's only one reason to AFK. That reason is, is that you're a selfish douche who thinks you're more important than the other 15 members of your team that you are screwing over. If the game is boring, don't play. This game already gives you passive SP. How big a douche do you actually have to be in order to still AFK? None of your justification is meaningful because it's all about you. You, you you. In the meantime, you are part of the problem by helping ruin the game for people that actually do want to play. Please leave. Firstly, I'm quite comfy here, thank you. *Sips tea, adjusts monicle, and continues watching through the MCC shield*
I'm not trying to justify taking up a slot that would otherwise be a player contributing. I know it's detrimental to the other legitimate players. I'm explaining the reason why it's done. Whether or not you agree with it is a non-issue, since it'll be done either way.
Also, while yes the game does give you passive SP (bought 3 Omega boosters :3), it just doesn't compare to the amount you'd get when combined with the SP cap, being 180k (270k on a booster). If you don't combine the two, then you're going to be left hopelessly behind the rest of the flock, which is why we have this problem in the first place.
The rolling SP cap that's been talked about would fix this issue, allowing you to "save up" potential SP. So if you missed your cap last week by 30k, it'll carry over into the next week, giving you 210 potential SP.
As it is right now, you're being punished for not forcing yourself online every week to cap out. Whether or not you think it's fair that this alternative means of gaining SP exists (AFK MCC'ing) is also a non-issue, since, again, it'll happen either way.
I created this thread in hopes of some feedback as to the current situation of the game. The routine has become stale. If you've read previous posts made by me, I'm a diehard CCP fanboi that'll generally stand by CCP's views. I'm not even trolling when I say I'm doing this to better the community by bringing it to everyones attention why we do what we do. We're not proud of it, but how else are we to remain competitive without tearing our eyes out? The game as it is plays as one big grindfest a week, followed by 6 days of doing something you actually want to do.
Also, don't think I hate the game or anything. I love this game. I've been playing since Mordu's Private Trials, and back then, all of the visions CCP had for this game got everyone excited for the future, which we were hoping to be sooner. I'm not DEMANDING anything happen RIGHT KITTENING NOW, but the current state of the game leaves a lot to be desired. PvE will definetly have me clamoring back, and if I'm reading what the devs are talking about right, the slew of new things should keep people interested in playing (not AFK'ing) for the long term.
Finally, your last comment. I know I'm more important than the other fifteen proles romping through the sand. Why, you may ask? I'm The Amazing Flying Pig. I don't need an explanation. I'm me, they're them, and I'm vastly superior in all feats of strength and agility, more knowledgeable in all subjects (both academic and "street"), and make a fine roast when seasoned properly and tuirned slowly over an open flame. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:45:00 -
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Seriously, stop playing and take a break.
Forcing yourself to log in and play (yes "play", someone has to be at the controller to start a match, return to MQ after the match, and start again. You just choose not to participate) isn't gonna help you enjoy the game more.
Come back and you're where you left out without the stress of feeling like you're 'left back'. Stop torturing yourself in something you clearly dont want to do. If you're worried about not getting SP, you're still getting passive SP.
Thats the positive light out of it.
The negative part is that you're probably frustrating other players on your team when you afk and contribute nothing at all. I sure as hell know you wouldnt want to play a game where a quarter of your team is sitting doing nothing so why would you do it to others?
So do yourself a favor and take a break, you'll be doing yourself a favor as well as others. Maybe you'll even begin to enjoy this game when you come back. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
759
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:13:00 -
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This is where the problem lies. As soon as I decide to take a break, I permanently put myself behind the crowd with no hope of ever catching back up. The game will not allow you to get back to where you could be if you miss just one week of SP capping (unless you want to do at least 180 1k wp games consecutively within a few days).
It's still a great game, and as prevoiusly stated, I have every intention on returning. I just don't like the fact that as soon as I do leave for the first week, I'll forever be behind, no matter how hard I try to catch up. This is why we have MCC AFK'ers - we get to stay caught up, while not playing. A rollover SP system would allow you the opportunity to work your way back up, but as it stands, this is the only way. |
GOTDUST
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:17:00 -
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Does AFKing on the MCC roof count? :)I I love knocking them off the roof with my dropship. Drag them right off. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
128
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:19:00 -
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Damn opened up this thread to be greeted by a wailing wall of txt, would have been a lot easier if the OP told us he afk because he is too busy sucking his dads **** everytime he loads a map. Ah well. |
GOTDUST
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:19:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:This is where the problem lies. As soon as I decide to take a break, I permanently put myself behind the crowd with no hope of ever catching back up. The game will not allow you to get back to where you could be if you miss just one week of SP capping (unless you want to do at least 180 1k wp games consecutively within a few days).
It's still a great game, and as prevoiusly stated, I have every intention on returning. I just don't like the fact that as soon as I do leave for the first week, I'll forever be behind, no matter how hard I try to catch up. This is why we have MCC AFK'ers - we get to stay caught up, while not playing. A rollover SP system would allow you the opportunity to work your way back up, but as it stands, this is the only way. Actuallly its not what you got, but how u use it. I kill many daily using FREE GEAR |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3606
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:21:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Isn't Derpship piloting in the same ballpark as AFKing? It's not like you're gaining WP or anything...
The next time you lose 1.2 million AFKing in the MCC, you come talk to me
My new form of derpship piloting is DEFINITELY afk material, I've even named the ship, "AFK" (Gorgon with an afterburner)
I crash it into enemy ships for the lulz |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
275
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:28:00 -
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You know how much DUST those mcc collect?! and who cleans it? That's right. AFK indeed! As part time eden janitor, I'll tell you its not easy work! You know how much M&M wrappers are found all over the floor in jedi's chamber?
I've never been so insulted good sirs! Not since I was not permitted in the women's bathroom or bedchambers.
*wonder why? *
I say good day good sirs!
EDIT: *SLAMS DOOR ON WAY OUT* |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3607
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:44:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:EDIT: *SLAMS DOOR ON WAY OUT*
There is no door
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Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
126
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Why I AFK in the MCC: I don't
No one should be rewarded for not playing. If I don't play, I don't cap. I haven't capped in almost a month now, and that's fine by me; I haven't played. Pretty much the same here, and I don't really care about falling behind because I've pretty much reached what I wanted in terms of skills. I could max out all role skills but for the one thing I wanted to do, I've gotten to the point where I can only skill into alternative roles or max out the one I'm already running, albeit the benefits are merely marginal and ignorable. |
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
576
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:45:00 -
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Why I would afk in the MCC if i didn't need the practice to 'get gud'
As a protest against the passive component of match sp rewards(i.e. sp for time in match). It's a reward mechanic that works against people participating in the match. It sends an implicitly bad message to new players that their personal contribution to the match have only so much worth, and that sp will be dispensed not according to effort or merit, but according to a 'socialist' sp dispensing system.
It's a destructive message and a destructive game mechanic. I think we have enough data to all agree on this.
But the motivation for the mechanic was a good one - CCP was worried about noobs receiving a brutal kicking in pubs and to add insult to injury recieving absolute no skillpints from the match.
This is a valid concern and important to DUST's future, but it is unfair and unreasonable to place the burden for this on the shoulders of the match skillpoint mechanic. A better solution must be found.
So, suggestion time.
The new player academy seems to be getting good results, the primary complaint seems to be that there is a very abrupt transition to open pub matches. Maybe a couple more tiers is worth trying - this should take some of the pressure off the sp reward mechanic.
Concerning active sp rewards for open pub matches, the time-based component of sp rewards has got to go. But how do we address the 0-sp-while-getting-pubstomped-problem? There's a lot of good suggestions on these forums, all of which incorporate asymmetrical sp rewards for noobs vs. vets, either calculated on an individual encounter-by-encounter basis, a match-average basis, or a combination of these.
My general suggestion is that active warpoints earned(kills, assists, rezzes, heals, u/l spawns, hives, hacks) must be used as a multiplier for a noob-specific sp boost. So zero wp still equals zero sp, but 25 wp for one assist gets you standard sp + a bonus based on how relatively inexperienced your character is(based on whatever criteria works best). What the specific form of this noob-bonus is doesn't matter, so long as what gets rewarded is active contributions to the match based on warpoints earned.
In reality, there are multiple good answers, any one of which would be a big improvement over what we have now.
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1578
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:17:00 -
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AFKers used to bother me, but it's all backgroud noise to me now. We only have a tiny fraction of a release level game at the moment and all estimates point to another year before that changes. Everyone is waiting for something, be it a respec, a racial variation, a weapon fix, RTS elements, or something else. Until that happens we all have to make our own fun.
Some play a standard FPS style, some murder taxi, but even that may pale over time. If you've burned out in play but still support CCP monetarially via boosters I don't care what you do in match. You can drive a taxi, you can fly a dropship just for fun, you can shoot people in the face, or you can party in the MCC. It doesn't matter because the outcome of the match doesn't matter. You aren't taking the place of someone else because CCP will just instantiate a new match for the next batch of players. Nobody is waiting in a queue because of you.
Two things would dramatically diminish AFKing:
1) Making the game fun and wining matches relevant. 2) Implementing rollover SP
The first is going to take a year or so to sort out, but the second involves changing one half of a line of code. Instead of:
Bonus_SP := 197,000;
you write:
Bonus_SP := Bonus_SP + 197,000;
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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
403
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:22:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:
Now, as for why I actually AFK - I don't really want to force myself to grind every week to hit the SP cap. If I miss out on one week, that's 270k SP (I run boosters) I miss out on. The game punishes those that don't hit their cap every week, and I really don't want to fall behind everyone else.
Not entirely true. Once you have around 7~8 million SP you can have both proto suit and weapon you want to specialize +core skills. After that you can simply quit playing if you're bored and let passive SP accumulate till next build. But you spent $200 (wow) on boosters and **** and I can agree you're right now forced to AFK so that you consume those active boosters and not let them go to waste. After you consume them I highly suggest you take a break from Dust till next build/update.
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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
317
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:32:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:
Now, as for why I actually AFK - I don't really want to force myself to grind every week to hit the SP cap. If I miss out on one week, that's 270k SP (I run boosters) I miss out on. The game punishes those that don't hit their cap every week, and I really don't want to fall behind everyone else.
Not entirely true. Once you have around 7~8 million SP you can have both proto suit and weapon you want to specialize +core skills. After that you can simply quit playing if you're bored and let passive SP accumulate till next build. But you spent $200 (wow) on boosters and **** and I can agree you're right now forced to AFK so that you consume those active boosters and not let them go to waste. After you consume them I highly suggest you take a break from Dust till next build/update.
The true meta game of Dust 514: adding to the reasons to not play it. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
783
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:42:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:
Now, as for why I actually AFK - I don't really want to force myself to grind every week to hit the SP cap. If I miss out on one week, that's 270k SP (I run boosters) I miss out on. The game punishes those that don't hit their cap every week, and I really don't want to fall behind everyone else.
Not entirely true. Once you have around 7~8 million SP you can have both proto suit and weapon you want to specialize +core skills. After that you can simply quit playing if you're bored and let passive SP accumulate till next build. But you spent $200 (wow) on boosters and **** and I can agree you're right now forced to AFK so that you consume those active boosters and not let them go to waste. After you consume them I highly suggest you take a break from Dust till next build/update. I'm a Gunnlogi pilot with close to 9m SP running a total of three Omega boosters (about halfway through my first one), with a couple of 30-day actives from merc packs waiting to be used. Saving up for when we get our advanced / proto tanks, or the Amarrian tank, whichever comes first. Gonna be a great day when I can sweep the field with a gigantic laser beam of death. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
656
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:21:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I'm just some random nub
blah blah blah
from an airbore swine. There's only one reason to AFK. That reason is, is that you're a selfish douche who thinks you're more important than the other 15 members of your team that you are screwing over. If the game is boring, don't play. This game already gives you passive SP. How big a douche do you actually have to be in order to still AFK? None of your justification is meaningful because it's all about you. You, you you. In the meantime, you are part of the problem by helping ruin the game for people that actually do want to play. Please leave. Firstly, I'm quite comfy here, thank you. *Sips tea, adjusts monicle, and continues watching through the MCC shield* I'm not trying to justify taking up a slot that would otherwise be a player contributing. I know it's detrimental to the other legitimate players. I'm explaining the reason why it's done. Whether or not you agree with it is a non-issue, since it'll be done either way. Also, while yes the game does give you passive SP (bought 3 Omega boosters :3), it just doesn't compare to the amount you'd get when combined with the SP cap, being 180k (270k on a booster). If you don't combine the two, then you're going to be left hopelessly behind the rest of the flock, which is why we have this problem in the first place. The rolling SP cap that's been talked about would fix this issue, allowing you to "save up" potential SP. So if you missed your cap last week by 30k, it'll carry over into the next week, giving you 210 potential SP. As it is right now, you're being punished for not forcing yourself online every week to cap out. Whether or not you think it's fair that this alternative means of gaining SP exists (AFK MCC'ing) is also a non-issue, since, again, it'll happen either way. I created this thread in hopes of some feedback as to the current situation of the game. The routine has become stale. If you've read previous posts made by me, I'm a diehard CCP fanboi that'll generally stand by CCP's views. I'm not even trolling when I say I'm doing this to better the community by bringing it to everyones attention why we do what we do. We're not proud of it, but how else are we to remain competitive without tearing our eyes out? The game as it is plays as one big grindfest a week, followed by 6 days of doing something you actually want to do. Also, don't think I hate the game or anything. I love this game. I've been playing since Mordu's Private Trials, and back then, all of the visions CCP had for this game got everyone excited for the future, which we were hoping to be sooner. I'm not DEMANDING anything happen RIGHT KITTENING NOW, but the current state of the game leaves a lot to be desired. PvE will definetly have me clamoring back, and if I'm reading what the devs are talking about right, the slew of new things should keep people interested in playing (not AFK'ing) for the long term. Finally, your last comment. I know I'm more important than the other fifteen proles romping through the sand. Why, you may ask? I'm The Amazing Flying Pig. I don't need an explanation. I'm me, they're them, and I'm vastly superior in all feats of strength and agility, more knowledgeable in all subjects (both academic and "street"), and make a fine roast when seasoned properly and turned slowly over an open flame.
I'm not bitter at all, but I can tell the difference between douchey excuses for selfish behavior from legitimate reasons like. " someone dropped by unexpectedly ".
Let me put it this way. There is no reason that can justify you, or anyone else, knowingly and repeatedly choosing to afk other than that you, and your ilk, are asses.
This is a fact, simply because you repeatedly choose to be an ass, and treat your fellow gamer like an ass even though you have the option not too.
It's just like cutting in line. |
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