I've encountered more noobs in FW than pubs.

I can't even begin to imagine that any player driven cooperative action will take place.

OP, I'm not criticizing you, but really, the folks around here think they are doing everyone a favor when the grief on the new players. We aren't playing with a socially adept deck around here.

Better yet, if you gave a crap about new players, make an alt and teach players on the academy level, squad with them after they leave the academy. There's a more OP weapon out there on the field and it costs 0 SP/ISK/AUR: experience. Not all are willing to learn, but the ones that are could be your next war buddy or that guy that totally saves your corp with a clutch win when PC actually does matter. I have alts that are sub 3 million SP and I can still hold my own because I know how to play the game, if CCP gave new players the opportunity to learn as well instead of this kiddie table BS before they get thrown to the sharks they would have a chance as well. Want to save newberries? Teach them yourself and stop blaming everyone else because there's nothing better to do but pubstomp because matchmaking was never a priority.

Well, we vets will play FW more. Just as soon as they increase the rewards/drop rates of items for FW. FW and Quick Matches are the same thing, except for the fact you have to wait for a server to open in FW.

At least in PC you can get 700k+ isk... and thats when the enemy doesn't even show up.

There are already 3 or 4 good corps that do that very thing...far better then i ever could.

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yet it is not working.

Go ask those corps what new player retention is like.

It's not working because not everyone who cares bothers to help. You don't even have to be in a corp to do this, just make an alt and squad up with newberries in the academy a few hours a week when your main is capped. So far I taught an assault that if we wants to stop getting ran over, spec into AV, snipers how to help their team instead of just racking up kills and countless other players that there's more to this game than assault suits and ARs. At the same time, their enthusiasm is slowly restoring my faith in this game's future, little by little...

So.. be forced to wait for a lobby to show up, then hope we can join it before it fills, then wait in the warbarge for 5m before the match begins? And then do all of that with the exact same rewards as IB? Meaning we get less SP/ISK for our time than playing in IB?

No thanks, I'd rather protostomp newbs in militia gear all day.

CCP needs to give us a reason to play in FW, cause I'm sure as hell not gonna willingly force myself to play what is, essentially, an inferior version of IB.

So.. be forced to wait for a lobby to show up, then hope we can join it before it fills, then wait in the warbarge for 5m before the match begins? And then do all of that with the exact same rewards as IB? Meaning we get less SP/ISK for our time than playing in IB?

No thanks, I'd rather protostomp newbs in militia gear all day.

CCP needs to give us a reason to play in FW, cause I'm sure as hell not gonna willingly force myself to play what is, essentially, an inferior version of IB.

I've encountered more noobs in FW than pubs.

So.. be forced to wait for a lobby to show up, then hope we can join it before it fills, then wait in the warbarge for 5m before the match begins? And then do all of that with the exact same rewards as IB? Meaning we get less SP/ISK for our time than playing in IB?

No thanks, I'd rather protostomp newbs in militia gear all day.

CCP needs to give us a reason to play in FW, cause I'm sure as hell not gonna willingly force myself to play what is, essentially, an inferior version of IB.

same

I don't think crutching myself with gear and skill levels isn't enough.

"...stay out of PuB matches. Play faction warfare instead."
That's a nice idea, but you're not doing the n00bs any favors by opting out of pub matches.

Yup...but if you and other vets go there and not in Pubs that will change very quickly.

joining a FW is easier said then done when there isn't a lot to choose from and that we have to wait awhile to see some to join them. also make the rewards better then plain match making

I support your idea,unfortunately,there's no honor among thieves here in New Eden.

Without the "true" meta game aspect of Dust,one of the only things that people are playing for in Dust is their KDR.I would suggest taking KDR out so that people aren't constantly trying to pad their stats,but then we would lose more people than we already have.

Stats should have been reset for uprising anyway since Chrome was full of so many exploits. I almost wish that FF was on 24/7 so the stat padders can STFU and start working as a team.

Stats should have been reset for uprising anyway since Chrome was full of so many exploits. I almost wish that FF was on 24/7 so the stat padders can STFU and start working as a team.

I support your idea,unfortunately,there's no honor among thieves here in New Eden.

Without the "true" meta game aspect of Dust,one of the only things that people are playing for in Dust is their KDR.I would suggest taking KDR out so that people aren't constantly trying to pad their stats,but then we would lose more people than we already have.

Stats should have been reset for uprising anyway since Chrome was full of so many exploits. I almost wish that FF was on 24/7 so the stat padders can STFU and start working as a team.

Then play a low SP alt.

my char right now is 3.4mil SP and i do just fine. instead of them trying to solo everything, they need to work on team play

PUB stomping is killing this game.

After academy New players try the game get demolished in PUB then leave.

This is what a death spiral of an MMO FPS looks like.

The Drunk Heavy recognized this problem in one of his videos

CCP recognized this problem before uprising saying that high skill players will be drawn away from PUB matches with Faction Warfare and PC (we all know how well that worked out.)

So here is what we as players can do.

If you have 5 million or more SP spent then stay out of PuB matches. Play faction warfare instead.

This will give breathing room for new players.

Yes you can play in PuBs with your low SP alts. Yes you can hold off on spending SP and stay in PuB matches, and yes iron wolf if you are crazy insane and spend all your SP on all level ones you can stay in pub matches. The rest of you GTFO. Go to faction warfare and fight with your equals.

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Note: Yeah i know i have dished more sh*t about this game then anyone...still i play the f*cking thing anyway so i guess i should try to help save it.

they are not working on team play they are leaving the game instead.

No new players + small and shrinking player base = no more dust.

if they aren't working on team play, then it's clear they just want to solo everything and be a one man army, which isn't all possible in this game. people need to teach them teamwork rather then what fit and skills to get. i had to learn that the hard way, but i learnt it and fill out my role just fine. I'm primarily a scout sniper, which is to support and defend, but if i need to get up close, i have a smg for that. hasn't stopped me from doing good. whenever i go into a pub game, i see my team not going for objectives a lot of the time and just go for kills or into an army of people they stand no chance against as a single unit. they haven't learnt much that this game is about team work rather then kills

I would play nothing but FW matches if I could get into them more than maybe once a day.

I think they are dynamic. The faster they fill up the more that are added. In my own corp i notice when we first start joining them they are slow to pop up. Then after a game or two they pop up faster.

I think FW will be the battle ground to go too when they add Faction standing and the like , also , I feel like there are not enough FW battles.

I also think the benefits in eve to owning a district on the ground are only beneficial for the 1000 people that focus on that aspect of the game. If i'm not mistaken more eve stuff is on the way to help that.

I would like to see a front line per-say that we can try to push back the baddies (ie: whatever faction you are or support).
Allowing us to que battles for districts/planets in our territory and start building on it to harvest minerals to build the guns we would want to deploy with. Also whenever they implement the dust corps to own districts you would want to defend it. Along with being paid by eve corps and eve players instead of just free isk. I don't want to complain about free isk and its how you start the market but I think at this stage , most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.

This is the time period to weed out the COD from the Dust, Those that want to Beach everytime they get killed and scream on comms non stop from the methodical team killers that can stay focused and resolved in the face of "space warriors" (some pilot on eve in gallente FW Fleet) dominating your team.

most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.

It's not working because not everyone who cares bothers to help. You don't even have to be in a corp to do this, just make an alt and squad up with newberries in the academy a few hours a week when your main is capped. So far I taught an assault that if we wants to stop getting ran over, spec into AV, snipers how to help their team instead of just racking up kills and countless other players that there's more to this game than assault suits and ARs. At the same time, their enthusiasm is slowly restoring my faith in this game's future, little by little...

This i think is where i disagree. Many of the responses to my petition has been about small fixes to make FW better. Like better rewards. Stuff that should have been there in the first place.

Furthermore CCP already put in their fixes. They made the academy and they specifically said Faction warfare and PC would draw older players away from pub matches. It did not work and CCP has been silent on the issue ever since, only talking about all the great things older players might enjoy like new weapon variants and suits and changes to PC.

CCP is not coming to the rescue any time soon.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a dramatic person?