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ShinyJay
Dawnstar Elite
3
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Posted - 2013.06.10 21:57:00 -
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hooc order wrote:ShinyJay wrote:joining a FW is easier said then done when there isn't a lot to choose from and that we have to wait awhile to see some to join them. also make the rewards better then plain match making Then play a low SP alt.
my char right now is 3.4mil SP and i do just fine. instead of them trying to solo everything, they need to work on team play |

hooc order
Deep Space Republic
294
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Posted - 2013.06.10 21:59:00 -
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ShinyJay wrote:hooc order wrote:ShinyJay wrote:joining a FW is easier said then done when there isn't a lot to choose from and that we have to wait awhile to see some to join them. also make the rewards better then plain match making Then play a low SP alt. my char right now is 3.4mil SP and i do just fine. instead of them trying to solo everything, they need to work on team play
they are not working on team play they are leaving the game instead.
No new players + small and shrinking player base = no more dust. |

The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
387
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:00:00 -
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hooc order wrote:PUB stomping is killing this game.
After academy New players try the game get demolished in PUB then leave.
This is what a death spiral of an MMO FPS looks like.
The Drunk Heavy recognized this problem in one of his videos
CCP recognized this problem before uprising saying that high skill players will be drawn away from PUB matches with Faction Warfare and PC (we all know how well that worked out.)
So here is what we as players can do.
If you have 5 million or more SP spent then stay out of PuB matches. Play faction warfare instead.
This will give breathing room for new players.
Yes you can play in PuBs with your low SP alts. Yes you can hold off on spending SP and stay in PuB matches, and yes iron wolf if you are crazy insane and spend all your SP on all level ones you can stay in pub matches. The rest of you GTFO. Go to faction warfare and fight with your equals.
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Note: Yeah i know i have dished more sh*t about this game then anyone...still i play the f*cking thing anyway so i guess i should try to help save it.
Don't stop pubbing just stop wearing proto gear. If we are going to give noobs a chance just jun militia. |

ShinyJay
Dawnstar Elite
3
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:05:00 -
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hooc order wrote:ShinyJay wrote:hooc order wrote:ShinyJay wrote:joining a FW is easier said then done when there isn't a lot to choose from and that we have to wait awhile to see some to join them. also make the rewards better then plain match making Then play a low SP alt. my char right now is 3.4mil SP and i do just fine. instead of them trying to solo everything, they need to work on team play they are not working on team play they are leaving the game instead. No new players + small and shrinking player base = no more dust.
if they aren't working on team play, then it's clear they just want to solo everything and be a one man army, which isn't all possible in this game. people need to teach them teamwork rather then what fit and skills to get. i had to learn that the hard way, but i learnt it and fill out my role just fine. I'm primarily a scout sniper, which is to support and defend, but if i need to get up close, i have a smg for that. hasn't stopped me from doing good. whenever i go into a pub game, i see my team not going for objectives a lot of the time and just go for kills or into an army of people they stand no chance against as a single unit. they haven't learnt much that this game is about team work rather then kills |

hooc order
Deep Space Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:09:00 -
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ShinyJay wrote:hooc order wrote:ShinyJay wrote:hooc order wrote:ShinyJay wrote:joining a FW is easier said then done when there isn't a lot to choose from and that we have to wait awhile to see some to join them. also make the rewards better then plain match making Then play a low SP alt. my char right now is 3.4mil SP and i do just fine. instead of them trying to solo everything, they need to work on team play they are not working on team play they are leaving the game instead. No new players + small and shrinking player base = no more dust. if they aren't working on team play, then it's clear they just want to solo everything and be a one man army, which isn't all possible in this game. people need to teach them teamwork rather then what fit and skills to get. i had to learn that the hard way, but i learnt it and fill out my role just fine. I'm primarily a scout sniper, which is to support and defend, but if i need to get up close, i have a smg for that. hasn't stopped me from doing good. whenever i go into a pub game, i see my team not going for objectives a lot of the time and just go for kills or into an army of people they stand no chance against as a single unit. they haven't learnt much that this game is about team work rather then kills
*Sigh*
you are missing the point. They never get to the team play skill building. they quit before they even really start.
Plus there are lots of training corps which focus mainly on team play and squad work.
Ask them what new player retention is like.
I can tell you now their answer...it ain't good.
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I know what being stomped by someone with 8 million more SP looks like and i know what being beat by a good squad looks like. They are not remotely the same thing....I do not want want to quit when i get beat by a good squad. |

Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
341
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:11:00 -
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I would play nothing but FW matches if I could get into them more than maybe once a day. |

hooc order
Deep Space Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:13:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:I would play nothing but FW matches if I could get into them more than maybe once a day.
I think they are dynamic. The faster they fill up the more that are added. In my own corp i notice when we first start joining them they are slow to pop up. Then after a game or two they pop up faster. |

ShinyJay
Dawnstar Elite
3
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:21:00 -
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i know what being stomped is like to, happens half the time to me. but FW needs to be tweaked better for vets to go there, otherwise there is no difference. i do lots of FW myself, cause people aren't looking out for themselves and working better with people.
when i go into a pub game, i look at who i'm fighting, see what could be done and when i get into the game, see how my team will act. in pub games, i see people padding their KDR then trying to capture stuff, but in FW i see people working as a proper team. most people in pub games just want to be on top.
also there needs to be some incentive to win, like more SP, ISK rewards then losing, not both of equal lvls. |

Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
341
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:22:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:I would play nothing but FW matches if I could get into them more than maybe once a day. I think they are dynamic. The faster they fill up the more that are added. In my own corp i notice when we first start joining them they are slow to pop up. Then after a game or two they pop up faster. I still want to be able to attack where/when I want. I hate that we need to rely on the magical RNG space monkeys to tell us when we can attack the enemy. |

Sephirian Fair
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:23:00 -
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The problem with doing Factional Warfare is the fact that there is no incentive to do so. There's only incentive to avoid them. The queue times are long, deployment is long, and waiting in the Warbarge is significantly longer than instant battles. All of this for the exact same rewards as Instant Battles. CCP seriously screwed up Factional Warfare by not doing standings and loyalty points/rewards. |
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WolfganGt3
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
0
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:43:00 -
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I think FW will be the battle ground to go too when they add Faction standing and the like , also , I feel like there are not enough FW battles.
I also think the benefits in eve to owning a district on the ground are only beneficial for the 1000 people that focus on that aspect of the game. If i'm not mistaken more eve stuff is on the way to help that.
I would like to see a front line per-say that we can try to push back the baddies (ie: whatever faction you are or support). Allowing us to que battles for districts/planets in our territory and start building on it to harvest minerals to build the guns we would want to deploy with. Also whenever they implement the dust corps to own districts you would want to defend it. Along with being paid by eve corps and eve players instead of just free isk. I don't want to complain about free isk and its how you start the market but I think at this stage , most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.
This is the time period to weed out the COD from the Dust, Those that want to Beach everytime they get killed and scream on comms non stop from the methodical team killers that can stay focused and resolved in the face of "space warriors" (some pilot on eve in gallente FW Fleet) dominating your team. |

hooc order
Deep Space Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:56:00 -
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WolfganGt3 wrote:I think FW will be the battle ground to go too when they add Faction standing and the like , also , I feel like there are not enough FW battles.
I also think the benefits in eve to owning a district on the ground are only beneficial for the 1000 people that focus on that aspect of the game. If i'm not mistaken more eve stuff is on the way to help that.
I would like to see a front line per-say that we can try to push back the baddies (ie: whatever faction you are or support). Allowing us to que battles for districts/planets in our territory and start building on it to harvest minerals to build the guns we would want to deploy with. Also whenever they implement the dust corps to own districts you would want to defend it. Along with being paid by eve corps and eve players instead of just free isk. I don't want to complain about free isk and its how you start the market but I think at this stage , most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.
This is the time period to weed out the COD from the Dust, Those that want to Beach everytime they get killed and scream on comms non stop from the methodical team killers that can stay focused and resolved in the face of "space warriors" (some pilot on eve in gallente FW Fleet) dominating your team.
Quote: most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.
This i think is where i disagree. Many of the responses to my petition has been about small fixes to make FW better. Like better rewards. Stuff that should have been there in the first place.
Furthermore CCP already put in their fixes. They made the academy and they specifically said Faction warfare and PC would draw older players away from pub matches. It did not work and CCP has been silent on the issue ever since, only talking about all the great things older players might enjoy like new weapon variants and suits and changes to PC.
CCP is not coming to the rescue any time soon. |

Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
2
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:11:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:hooc order wrote:Cosgar wrote:Better yet, if you gave a crap about new players, make an alt and teach players on the academy level, squad with them after they leave the academy. There's a more OP weapon out there on the field and it costs 0 SP/ISK/AUR: experience. Not all are willing to learn, but the ones that are could be your next war buddy or that guy that totally saves your corp with a clutch win when PC actually does matter. I have alts that are sub 3 million SP and I can still hold my own because I know how to play the game, if CCP gave new players the opportunity to learn as well instead of this kiddie table BS before they get thrown to the sharks they would have a chance as well. Want to save newberries? Teach them yourself and stop blaming everyone else because there's nothing better to do but pubstomp because matchmaking was never a priority. There are already 3 or 4 good corps that do that very thing...far better then i ever could. ... yet it is not working. Go ask those corps what new player retention is like. It's not working because not everyone who cares bothers to help. You don't even have to be in a corp to do this, just make an alt and squad up with newberries in the academy a few hours a week when your main is capped. So far I taught an assault that if we wants to stop getting ran over, spec into AV, snipers how to help their team instead of just racking up kills and countless other players that there's more to this game than assault suits and ARs. At the same time, their enthusiasm is slowly restoring my faith in this game's future, little by little... +2 I'll even like you with my Alt |

GLiMPSE X
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
123
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:25:00 -
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hooc order wrote:WolfganGt3 wrote:I think FW will be the battle ground to go too when they add Faction standing and the like , also , I feel like there are not enough FW battles.
I also think the benefits in eve to owning a district on the ground are only beneficial for the 1000 people that focus on that aspect of the game. If i'm not mistaken more eve stuff is on the way to help that.
I would like to see a front line per-say that we can try to push back the baddies (ie: whatever faction you are or support). Allowing us to que battles for districts/planets in our territory and start building on it to harvest minerals to build the guns we would want to deploy with. Also whenever they implement the dust corps to own districts you would want to defend it. Along with being paid by eve corps and eve players instead of just free isk. I don't want to complain about free isk and its how you start the market but I think at this stage , most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.
This is the time period to weed out the COD from the Dust, Those that want to Beach everytime they get killed and scream on comms non stop from the methodical team killers that can stay focused and resolved in the face of "space warriors" (some pilot on eve in gallente FW Fleet) dominating your team. Quote: most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way. This i think is where i disagree. Many of the responses to my petition has been about small fixes to make FW better. Like better rewards. Stuff that should have been there in the first place. Furthermore CCP already put in their fixes. They made the academy and they specifically said Faction warfare and PC would draw older players away from pub matches. It did not work and CCP has been silent on the issue ever since, only talking about all the great things older players might enjoy like new weapon variants and suits and changes to PC. CCP is not coming to the rescue any time soon.
Has anyone ever told you that you're a dramatic person? |

hooc order
Deep Space Republic
302
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:33:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:hooc order wrote:WolfganGt3 wrote:I think FW will be the battle ground to go too when they add Faction standing and the like , also , I feel like there are not enough FW battles.
I also think the benefits in eve to owning a district on the ground are only beneficial for the 1000 people that focus on that aspect of the game. If i'm not mistaken more eve stuff is on the way to help that.
I would like to see a front line per-say that we can try to push back the baddies (ie: whatever faction you are or support). Allowing us to que battles for districts/planets in our territory and start building on it to harvest minerals to build the guns we would want to deploy with. Also whenever they implement the dust corps to own districts you would want to defend it. Along with being paid by eve corps and eve players instead of just free isk. I don't want to complain about free isk and its how you start the market but I think at this stage , most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way.
This is the time period to weed out the COD from the Dust, Those that want to Beach everytime they get killed and scream on comms non stop from the methodical team killers that can stay focused and resolved in the face of "space warriors" (some pilot on eve in gallente FW Fleet) dominating your team. Quote: most of the solutions to the problems are still on the way. This i think is where i disagree. Many of the responses to my petition has been about small fixes to make FW better. Like better rewards. Stuff that should have been there in the first place. Furthermore CCP already put in their fixes. They made the academy and they specifically said Faction warfare and PC would draw older players away from pub matches. It did not work and CCP has been silent on the issue ever since, only talking about all the great things older players might enjoy like new weapon variants and suits and changes to PC. CCP is not coming to the rescue any time soon. Has anyone ever told you that you're a dramatic person?
No. Writing in the active voice, rather then the passive voice, is not drama. It is how to write. |
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