I think ppl who drive murder LAV's dont' really care about LAVs or LAV skills. They just use free ones. On a different note, what's the purpose of an LAV except for taking ppl from point A to B? Their gun is too weak to be useful. And I cant believe that they were invented to be murder taxis - or am i wrong?

no one can be bothered to kill them? weird ive been splatting them all night. logi lav's are tougher but i reckon a good sp investment into improving my swarm launcher will take care of that.

It's like you're playing rock, paper, scissors -- vehicles are rock, anti-vehicle are paper, and anti-infantry are scissors, and everyone keeps throwing scissors against rock and kittening about losing.

"But my two AV nades fit on my tac-ar/smg assault fitting don't kill murder taxies".

Tell me more about how you can't coordinate with a squad to kill an LAV.

Completely right. LAVs are just for moving people around, that's why they never bothered to put a turret onto it. That's why the advanced LAVs are Scout LAVs (For surveying & moving around the batleflied) & Logistics LAVs (For helping support troops and other vehicles). They're clearly meant to be destroyed by a single AV grenade, regardless of how you decide to outfit them.

It's impossible to kill an LAV with an assault rifle, shotgun, etc... because you can't attack any of the passengers of the vehicle, the gunner or driver, etc.. They're called murder taxis because all they do is murder people. No one can be bothered to lay down Proximity Mines in clever locations to blow them up, or shoot them with swarm launchers. They're clearly what the survival drone mode will be based on. Nothing but murder taxis running helpless players down.

no one can be bothered to kill them? weird ive been splatting them all night. logi lav's are tougher but i reckon a good sp investment into improving my swarm launcher will take care of that.

balance HAVs so that more HAVs come back to that role and all of your LAVs will fade away back into balance. the problem isn't LAVs its HAVs.

Their gun is too weak to be useful. And I cant believe that they were invented to be murder taxis - or am i wrong?

It's like you're playing rock, paper, scissors -- vehicles are rock, anti-vehicle are paper, and anti-infantry are scissors, and everyone keeps throwing scissors against rock and kittening about losing.

"But my two AV nades fit on my tac-ar/smg assault fitting don't kill murder taxies".

Tell me more about how you can't coordinate with a squad to kill an LAV.

lol the quote at the top was from my murder taxi post xD 20 and 0 lol but i do agree its hard for ppl to take down my logi LAV there has to be something done about it +1 to the op

Look at the name of LAVs-
Light Attack Vehicle

They aren't transports- that's why we have dropships, and are getting ground transports later.
From my recent experience in a new LAV tactic triggered by a blueberry driver (that actually went well), I've learned something-

LAVs are an infantry support vehicle; good at laying down suppressing fire and keeping infantry in cover with repeated high-speed drive-bys. Logistics LAVs also support infantry well because of their super-rep

However, there needs to be a way to reward WP for LAV drivers, since it's far more common for the gunners to get assists than kills.

Going to throw it out there.

You get hit by a car. You going to take damage.

You wear armor, you take a bit less... but still likely die.

You have shields, you'll take less, but shields still absorb fatal damage, armour crushes... end result... you die.

The LAV is not the issue. It's a vehicle, it weighs about a tonne. If you tend to think a tonne of metal driven at speed wont kill you, go step into the street and test for yourself.

The issue is people who DON'T look both ways. You going to cross open ground, look around. The train before it hits you on the railroad tracks isn't heard until it's too late. The same applies to LAVs.

Add TedNugent_ on psn and ask if you can be his gunner in his LAV and you'll get 20 kills a game.

Let me take a wild guess what kind of LAV he uses... hmm... could it possibly be a shield tanked Caldari Logistics LAV? Could it be that he likes that particular model because weaponry suited for taking out fast-moving shield-tanked vehicles doesn't exist in Dust 514??? Hmm I wonder.

Actually its because he uses a prototype blaster and 2 damage mods and puts his gunner in good positions to kill enemies. People think that LAV turrets are terrible but they've never used a properly fitted one.

Apparently you've never witnessed a shield-tanked logi LAV driving back and forth in a group of red dots who are all trying to take it out with prox mines, AV grenades, swarm launchers, and whatever else they had on them. The most distinguishing part of this event -- which I've witnessed many times -- is that the LAV is never truly at a disadvantage, even when surrounded by enemies. If it ever gets close to being killed, which takes a long time, it can safely run away and get its HP back. The survivability while completely pressured and surrounded is the problem with the LAV.

And I've read the "rock / paper / scissors" argument before, and I found it to be fatally flawed.

You say AV are the Paper to the vehicle's Rock? Well you're forgetting about shield tanking. Shield tanked HAVs are easily Fluxed because they can't move from a stop very quickly. Try hitting an LAV with a flux and, well... not going to happen. It moves to fast, so you'd have to be incredibly lucky.

The AV infantry have no anti-shield capabilities, so they're largely ineffective against shield tanked LAVs. The rock/paper/scissor argument breaks down right there.