Whenever someone complains about tanks people always jump to "well use an AV fit then stupid" an an excuse.

So as soon as I see this tank rolling around I switch to an AV fit and go after it. A few rounds of Forge gun fire and it's shields are down. As I'm prepping an AV grenade the thing suddenly lights up like a Christmas tree, my grenade hits up against it and it's armor doesn't budge. Toss a second grenade and again nothing. Pull back and charge up the forge gun again and peek around to launch a point blank shot... nothing... meanwhile this tank is just gunning down all of my teammates without a care.

Was there supposed to be some balance in there somewhere?

its called shield or armor hardener, you think tanks are meant to be killed by a single AV player? hell no

The problems is that AVers have to use teamwork (best tactic is to cut off the HAVs retreat, and keep hammering it), while HAVs need no teamwork whatsoever.

And again: HAVs should get a buff, but the driver and gunner seat need to be separate.

The problems is that AVers have to use teamwork (best tactic is to cut off the HAVs retreat, and keep hammering it), while HAVs need no teamwork whatsoever.

And again: HAVs should get a buff, but the driver and gunner seat need to be separate.

That's an utterly terrible idea, there's a reason pretty much every game on the Market combines the driver and gunner seats in tanks.

This isn't "Oh I can't solo this giant tank, it's so OP"

This is not being able to even dent the damn thing, not being able to even at minimum force the driver to pull back for even a minute to repair and give your team a few seconds of breather.

If this game is at the point where the only viable means of forcing a tank to even retreat is to pop out with a full propo AV set then something is wrong.

This isn't "Oh I can't solo this giant tank, it's so OP"

This is not being able to even dent the damn thing, not being able to even at minimum force the driver to pull back for even a minute to repair and give your team a few seconds of breather.

If this game is at the point where the only viable means of forcing a tank to even retreat is to pop out with a full propo AV set then something is wrong.

Its only like 4ook SP to get a proto forge total so have at it

You do know dropsuits have core skills and modules too which take quite a bit of SP investment, right?

Name 3

and it's probably because tankers ***** otherwise

HAV are not overpowered.

Forge guns are not overpowered. They can take 4-5 shots to pop a tank.

Swarms are broken because you can 5-stack damage mods. They should roughly be even with a forge. They should not be 2-shotting gunnlogi or madrugar.


If you die to AV grenades you are either a moron or you have very aggressive and creative assault killteams.

Battlefield 3
World at war
Halo

Not the best examples, but the reason is that it makes tanks all but useless in pub matches, because you'll just end up with some useless person in one of the seats who's incompetent. Why do you think every single dedicated vehicle user does everything they can to keep bluedots out of their vehicles? It's because they can't be trusted. And while tankers in a Corp could probably survive if they got a couple of dedicated gunners, what about the newbies who just joined and want to try out tanks? How do you think they'll react when they see they're putting hundreds of thousands of hard earned isk at risk so Joe random can hop in and shoot at the MCC? which leads to the next point, one guy is taking all the risk, the other guy risks nothing and reaps the majority of the reward, how would you balance that out?

proto av nades do 2k damage to shields and 3-4k damage to armor. .

This isn't "Oh I can't solo this giant tank, it's so OP"

This is not being able to even dent the damn thing, not being able to even at minimum force the driver to pull back for even a minute to repair and give your team a few seconds of breather.

If this game is at the point where the only viable means of forcing a tank to even retreat is to pop out with a full propo AV set then something is wrong.