DUST Search - LAV argument with infekti0n

Crash Monster wrote:

EnglishSnake wrote:

Crash Monster wrote:

EnglishSnake wrote:

Nope

Not until stupid ppl realise that AV is needed to kill vehicles and not an AR

Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch.

14mil of SP all into vehicles, i drive the Logi LAV and have it pimped out

Fast and ****

Resistances easy over 50%

By the time you lock on im gone

By the time you throw that nade your dead

By the time you look both ways your dead

Stop crying to get the best LAV in the game nerfed and milita are easy enough to take out, but i do agree that the milita HP buff wasnt needed but still easy to kill

I have no issue with investment in LAVs making them better. I also realize that some LAVs are hard to take down with swarms -- particularly the ones with serious investment.

However, this does not imply that LAVs are set up with appropriate risk/reward when it comes to running people down. The terrain does not offer enough places for infantry to be inaccessible. Short of a tank it should be possible for infantry, especially with combined fire, to cause meaningful damage to LAVs. IIf someone takes several assault rifle clips to my car I wouldn't expect to be driving it. Alternately, hitting deer, moose, cattle or other objects can cause serious damage at speed. LAVs aren't tanks.

Tanks are supposed to be tanks.

Sorry that I'm kicking your crutch... as I'm sure its fun to pwn, but it just isn't realistic the way things are. And no, I'm not asking for a huge nerf. I'm suggesting to add some realism so that its fun for all parties... meaning both infantry and LAVs.

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Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 222	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:38:00 - [1] - Quote Infekti0n wrote: People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. ^^ this was his argument, and this is mine vv. We do not have more shields or armor than a tank. A charybdis with nothing on it has less shields than a sica with nothing on it, so idk where you got that from. A Charybdis is the only thing in dust514 that heals shields via another player, so it is extremely helpful, so my corp says. CCP doesn't want this game to have vehicles like in bf3 that die in one shot. I didn't like before I specced into lavs worrying about getting 1 shotted by a forge gun or swarm launcher or av. I think it's great the militia lavs got a buff. --- Please don't base your post on because you like the certain person or you're in the same corp, for me too.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 400	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:51:00 - [2] - Quote The LAV issue is a side issue IMO. The crux of the problem is that in a supposedly modern AAA FPS, it is more efficient sp and isk-wise to run people over than it is to shoot them. Dust is a joke.
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 225	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:52:00 - [3] - Quote Can you please state your opinion that about the Charybdis the only thing in dust514 that can heal another persons shield?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1227	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:56:00 - [4] - Quote The only thing LAVs need are actual physics applied so you can't get cheap kills at 3mph and a speed reduction when running people over. Their turrets need to be more viable than the front bumper.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 525	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:56:00 - [5] - Quote It might be nice if there wasn't always so much LAV killing. I mean, if we look back at real battlefields in the past it wasn't all about people driving jeeps through enemy lines and running over all the officers. It's easier to be aware, find cover, and shoot the crap out of the vehicle (even with several infantry weapons) until either it, the driver, or both are dead than the game conveys. Have the LAVs take damage when they hit a pedestrian. I can't run down cattle with my car and expect to be able to drive to the next farm after I finish off Bessie's herd. So, I'm talking about the B word I suppose.
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 225	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:58:00 - [6] - Quote Also, if i'm going too slow, the enemy will get moved by my lav but their health will stay the same, shouldn't pushing ppl with a lav lower their health?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3521	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:59:00 - [7] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Dust is a joke.
Omen Astrul Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote tbh I wouldn't mind their health if they didn't instakill people
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 226	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:59:00 - [9] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: It might be nice if there wasn't always so much LAV killing. I mean, if we look back at real battlefields in the past it wasn't all about people driving jeeps through enemy lines and running over all the officers. It's easier to be aware, find cover, and shoot the crap out of the vehicle (even with several infantry weapons) until either it, the driver, or both are dead than the game conveys. Have the LAVs take damage when they hit a pedestrian. I can't run down cattle with my car and expect to be able to drive to the next farm after I finish off Bessie's herd. So, I'm talking about the B word I suppose. Sometimes when I run someone over, it actually does do dmg to me. One time in chromo, I ran someone over going as fast as I could and got stuck on a structure.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 402	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:00:00 - [10] - Quote 9/10 people who use LLAVs don't actually perform any logistics, at least not in pub matches. Why should I creep along and heal other players or tanks for +25 triage wp and the occasional Guardian when I can earn multiples of that by running people over while padding my KDR? Even if the sp was comparable, it's simply more fun to play murder taxi. Edit: And yes, not having shield transfer tools for infantry is pretty laughable.

Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 226	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:02:00 - [11] - Quote Also, lavs don't get any points for healing infantry/vehicles, only by running people over or your turret dude kills someone. And it is somewhat difficult to get my built in infantry shield transporter to lock onto a teammate. I should get points for that.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1189	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:02:00 - [12] - Quote How is he supposed to kill that LAV? How about anti vehicle weapons? Oh no that means he would have to skill away from being an AR scrublord Well tough **** boyo
Draka Marintu TeamPlayers EoN. 24	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:03:00 - [13] - Quote The problem is that these lavs aren't being used for what they're intended and I'm sorry but LAV means light armor vehicle they should not be able to take as many av nades as they do or two shots from a proto type forge gun the tank they get is from their speed but for this to be effective ccp needs to put a max tracking range on swarms so that they explode if they don't reach their target after so long this would probably help dropships as well
Spy Mouse Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:05:00 - [14] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: 9/10 people who use LLAVs don't actually perform any logistics, at least not in pub matches. Why should I creep along and heal other players or tanks for +25 triage wp and the occasional Guardian when I can earn multiples of that by running people over while padding my KDR? Even if the sp was comparable, it's simply more fun to play murder taxi. Edit: And yes, not having shield transfer tools for infantry is pretty laughable. You should be using the Abron Scout LAV. That car was named after you.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 402	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:05:00 - [15] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: How is he supposed to kill that LAV? How about anti vehicle weapons? Oh no that means he would have to skill away from being an AR scrublord Well tough **** boyo You done?
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 226	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:05:00 - [16] - Quote Another bug, if I die or anyone in my lav dies out of my the LAV, when they respawn, they lav is invisible to them, and I can lose my lav.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 402	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:06:00 - [17] - Quote Spy Mouse wrote: Abron Garr wrote: 9/10 people who use LLAVs don't actually perform any logistics, at least not in pub matches. Why should I creep along and heal other players or tanks for +25 triage wp and the occasional Guardian when I can earn multiples of that by running people over while padding my KDR? Even if the sp was comparable, it's simply more fun to play murder taxi. Edit: And yes, not having shield transfer tools for infantry is pretty laughable. You should be using the Abron Scout LAV. That car was named after you. I'll have to change my name to Abron Carr.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 526	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:08:00 - [18] - Quote Just let infantry weapons whittle away at LAVs. If they go into enemy filled territory they should be able to be brought down -- they aren't tanks. I don't know... maybe 20-30% effectiveness or something. It would at least up the risk. And, yes, though i often get the swarms out LAVs are often fast enough to take a hit and zip across the field back out of range before zooming in for another lap. We just need a way to get appropriate risk and reward metrics.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 237	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:11:00 - [19] - Quote Charybdis isn't cheap to skill into or cheap to fit. They are fast, durable, and a good distraction. I want one.
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 227	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:12:00 - [20] - Quote yes put 7.2m into them

EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1189	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:13:00 - [21] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: How is he supposed to kill that LAV? How about anti vehicle weapons? Oh no that means he would have to skill away from being an AR scrublord Well tough **** boyo You done? Nope Not until stupid ppl realise that AV is needed to kill vehicles and not an AR
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3527	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:21:00 - [22] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: How is he supposed to kill that LAV? How about anti vehicle weapons? Oh no that means he would have to skill away from being an AR scrublord Well tough **** boyo So every single infantry player has to sink X amount of SP into a strong AV option to handle the free LAV that some idiot who just started the game call in? Right. Gokart 514
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 527	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:22:00 - [23] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Nope Not until stupid ppl realise that AV is needed to kill vehicles and not an AR Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch.
SmileB4Death Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 111	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:27:00 - [24] - Quote Heavy's should be able to stop them like superman.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 120	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:32:00 - [25] - Quote Maybe in the open areas of the map CCP should add more locations where infantry can get to but LAVs can not e.g. Very steep hills with a set of steps, couple of feet wide, cut into them. So if you are being chased by a LAV then you run to one of these locations and go part way up the hill and the LAV can't reach you but you can still shoot at the driver.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1189	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:37:00 - [26] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Nope Not until stupid ppl realise that AV is needed to kill vehicles and not an AR Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch. 14mil of SP all into vehicles, i drive the Logi LAV and have it pimped out Fast and **** Resistances easy over 50% By the time you lock on im gone By the time you throw that nade your dead By the time you look both ways your dead Stop crying to get the best LAV in the game nerfed and milita are easy enough to take out, but i do agree that the milita HP buff wasnt needed but still easy to kill
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 229	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:38:00 - [27] - Quote 14m ..
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3529	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:52:00 - [28] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch. 14mil of SP all into vehicles, i drive the Logi LAV and have it pimped out Fast and **** Resistances easy over 50% By the time you lock on im gone By the time you throw that nade your dead By the time you look both ways your dead Stop crying to get the best LAV in the game nerfed and milita are easy enough to take out, but i do agree that the milita HP buff wasnt needed but still easy to kill So what you're saying is you're using your logistics vehicle to run around getting road kills when it was designed as team support? Yup, makes sense that you don't want them balanced.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 527	Posted - 2013.06.08 15:59:00 - [29] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Crash Monster wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Nope Not until stupid ppl realise that AV is needed to kill vehicles and not an AR Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch. 14mil of SP all into vehicles, i drive the Logi LAV and have it pimped out Fast and **** Resistances easy over 50% By the time you lock on im gone By the time you throw that nade your dead By the time you look both ways your dead Stop crying to get the best LAV in the game nerfed and milita are easy enough to take out, but i do agree that the milita HP buff wasnt needed but still easy to kill I have no issue with investment in LAVs making them better. I also realize that some LAVs are hard to take down with swarms -- particularly the ones with serious investment. However, this does not imply that LAVs are set up with appropriate risk/reward when it comes to running people down. The terrain does not offer enough places for infantry to be inaccessible. Short of a tank it should be possible for infantry, especially with combined fire, to cause meaningful damage to LAVs. IIf someone takes several assault rifle clips to my car I wouldn't expect to be driving it. Alternately, hitting deer, moose, cattle or other objects can cause serious damage at speed. LAVs aren't tanks. Tanks are supposed to be tanks. Sorry that I'm kicking your crutch... as I'm sure its fun to pwn, but it just isn't realistic the way things are. And no, I'm not asking for a huge nerf. I'm suggesting to add some realism so that its fun for all parties... meaning both infantry and LAVs.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1189	Posted - 2013.06.08 16:57:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch. 14mil of SP all into vehicles, i drive the Logi LAV and have it pimped out Fast and **** Resistances easy over 50% By the time you lock on im gone By the time you throw that nade your dead By the time you look both ways your dead Stop crying to get the best LAV in the game nerfed and milita are easy enough to take out, but i do agree that the milita HP buff wasnt needed but still easy to kill So what you're saying is you're using your logistics vehicle to run around getting road kills when it was designed as team support? Yup, makes sense that you don't want them balanced. Wrong Cant use the infantry repper because your camera is locked in a set position so you cannot move around and look out for AV so its useless

EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1189	Posted - 2013.06.08 17:01:00 - [31] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Crash Monster wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Nope Not until stupid ppl realise that AV is needed to kill vehicles and not an AR Sounds like someone is leaning on the LAV crutch. 14mil of SP all into vehicles, i drive the Logi LAV and have it pimped out Fast and **** Resistances easy over 50% By the time you lock on im gone By the time you throw that nade your dead By the time you look both ways your dead Stop crying to get the best LAV in the game nerfed and milita are easy enough to take out, but i do agree that the milita HP buff wasnt needed but still easy to kill I have no issue with investment in LAVs making them better. I also realize that some LAVs are hard to take down with swarms -- particularly the ones with serious investment. However, this does not imply that LAVs are set up with appropriate risk/reward when it comes to running people down. The terrain does not offer enough places for infantry to be inaccessible. Short of a tank it should be possible for infantry, especially with combined fire, to cause meaningful damage to LAVs. IIf someone takes several assault rifle clips to my car I wouldn't expect to be driving it. Alternately, hitting deer, moose, cattle or other objects can cause serious damage at speed. LAVs aren't tanks. Tanks are supposed to be tanks. Sorry that I'm kicking your crutch... as I'm sure its fun to pwn, but it just isn't realistic the way things are. And no, I'm not asking for a huge nerf. I'm suggesting to add some realism so that its fun for all parties... meaning both infantry and LAVs. Vehicles take all the risk Logi LAV is about 500k, i may run down 15ppl and barely make 150k The SP required to get a logi LAV and all the perfect skills needed to make it a bad ass killing machine out weights any AV SP The LAV isnt a tank, if i hit another tank i blow up, if i hit a wall i recieve damage, my tank is generally my speed The realism is car kills person end of
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3530	Posted - 2013.06.08 17:03:00 - [32] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: The realism is car kills person end of I posted in another thread that I have a good friend who's been hit once at 50mph and once at 40, and other than a few bumps and bruises and a week or two in the hospital, he's perfectly fine. He wasn't wearing super futuristic power armor either
IM-JUST TO-FAT Blauhelme Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 17:04:00 - [33] - Quote im also using logi-LAV's and to be honest the Lav's are a bit too strong. i dont have any idea how you could counter them. even with my strongest rail tank with proto-turrets ( 2400 dmg) i couldnt destroy my own car with a one-hit. ccp gotta change something...
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1189	Posted - 2013.06.08 17:17:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: The realism is car kills person end of I posted in another thread that I have a good friend who's been hit once at 50mph and once at 40, and other than a few bumps and bruises and a week or two in the hospital, he's perfectly fine. He wasn't wearing super futuristic power armor either A women survived a 30,000ft drop from a plane and survived does that mean we can all jump out of dropships without needing to use the inertia dampners?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3538	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:03:00 - [35] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: The realism is car kills person end of I posted in another thread that I have a good friend who's been hit once at 50mph and once at 40, and other than a few bumps and bruises and a week or two in the hospital, he's perfectly fine. He wasn't wearing super futuristic power armor either A women survived a 30,000ft drop from a plane and survived does that mean we can all jump out of dropships without needing to use the inertia dampners? Heavies can If you look at statistics, people survive being hit by cars significantly more than falling out of planes, you know, cuz the earth hits hard. Also, isn't that woman a vegetable now?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1510	Posted - 2013.06.09 22:51:00 - [36] - Quote Vethosis wrote: Can you please state your opinion that about the Charybdis the only thing in dust514 that can heal another persons shield? They didn't need a buff I ran LLAVs last build, and even then, it was easy to make them tanky enough that the only thing they really had to worry about was getting shot out of the driver's seat.
Vethosis Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 261	Posted - 2013.06.09 22:58:00 - [37] - Quote what is a LLAV?
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1575	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:02:00 - [38] - Quote The LLAV is meant to kill mercs, not rep blue dots. You can tell because that's the only thing CCP pays you to do with it. The bumper is just the most effective weapon on the vehicle. So don't complain when people use it the way the developer intends.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 262	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:18:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: The realism is car kills person end of I posted in another thread that I have a good friend who's been hit once at 50mph and once at 40, and other than a few bumps and bruises and a week or two in the hospital, he's perfectly fine. He wasn't wearing super futuristic power armor either i had a friend who died once. hes fine too. jesus christ


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