DUST Search - [critical] RDV killing dropships

Artificer Ghost wrote:

CCP OverRainbow wrote:

Hi,

Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better?

Thank you.

I have no video, but I wanted to comment. The RDV Pilots are... Constantly drunk. Do they have a drink in EVE that makes you permanently intoxicated? Anyways, I called in a cheap Logi-LAV, only around 150k ISK. I actually had to chase it around the area because this pilot could not keep it still. Sometimes, the pilot is sober, and will just fly in and drop it like he's meant to. But other times, the paths will get crossed for 2 RDVs, and their years of training can't save their lives. Or they'll bump into structures, and break your 1.3 million ISK Dropship. The only part of coding I feel happy about, is the part where if you're in a tight space, it will drop the car in a more open area.

So yea. I just hope the PvE coming 'soon' has a bit better AI. No matter how excited I am to see a group of drones firing at a Nanohive and missing.

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Judge Rhadamanthus Kapow Heavy Industries 142	Posted - 2013.06.06 22:01:00 - [1] - Quote This needs to stop. Now. Tonight I spawned 8 dropships. 1.3 million each. I lost 2 to RDV pilots crashing before they even delivered my DS. That's 2.6 million. Then I lost 3 to random out of clucking nowhere RdV swipes. That's another 3.9 million. So as I see it CCP you owe me 6.5 million. Really this is lame and has to stop. You need to look after your players. I accept bugs but this is just BS. How about a Dev logs in an apologises to me. My ISK take real hours of my real life to earn. And your code takes it off me unfairly. If nothing else how about a sorry,
Judge Rhadamanthus Kapow Heavy Industries 142	Posted - 2013.06.06 22:37:00 - [2] - Quote Just lost 1 to a disconnect. CCP you owe me 7.8 million now. Man up and pay. You tried to sort the ISK bug recently so if ISK matters when it is gained unfairly then I god damn matters when lost unfairly. I shall look at my wallet an expect the deposit.
Judge Rhadamanthus Kapow Heavy Industries 142	Posted - 2013.06.07 00:07:00 - [3] - Quote And another fake disconnect. That's another 1 mill you owe me.
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2013.06.07 01:49:00 - [4] - Quote CCP clearly does not give the slightest *%&^
Kaminoikari Wrath of Omnipotent Beings 22	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:13:00 - [5] - Quote ITT: Baby QQing that his DS gets killed by friendly Bolas' and disconnects. I have point specced into Dropships and I hardly ever have enough money to get ONE. So you should step off your high horse and quit bitching, you obviously have plenty of money to spend already. Then there's also the fact that disconnects can happen to anyone. Sure, it sucks losing your vehicle but get over it. How do you think I feel calling in one of my ships only for me to get disconnected or kicked from PSN? It sucks, deal with it or don't call in anymore ships. I'm still patiently waiting for DSs' to get fixed so they're worth flying again. (Not that anyone can't juse sit on a hill and snipe you with a ******* railgun tank within the red zone.)
Ecshon Autorez Elite Mercs INC. 67	Posted - 2013.06.07 20:09:00 - [6] - Quote If something so much as taps the top of a DS it instantly dies.
Obsidian Rex BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 18	Posted - 2013.06.07 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote Lol you *****, people in EVE lose $1000 real life money ships every day. Your pesky 1.2m ISK (in game money) vehicle is nothing compared to $1000 USD.
Ecshon Autorez Elite Mercs INC. 68	Posted - 2013.06.07 23:23:00 - [8] - Quote Obsidian Rex wrote: Lol you *****, people in EVE lose $1000 real life money ships every day. Your pesky 1.2m ISK (in game money) vehicle is nothing compared to $1000 USD. If you lose ships worth that much every day then you're obviously doing it wrong.
Obsidian Rex BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 18	Posted - 2013.06.08 01:13:00 - [9] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Obsidian Rex wrote: Lol you *****, people in EVE lose $1000 real life money ships every day. Your pesky 1.2m ISK (in game money) vehicle is nothing compared to $1000 USD. If you lose ships worth that much every day then you're obviously doing it wrong. Agreed.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 683	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:49:00 - [10] - Quote I've lost at least a few dropships like this myself. I assumed it was a known issue that was being worked on. I didn't see anything on the known issues list though. For the "nudge=death" bit, they could make RDV collisions do no damage. RDVs destroy more than dropships when they fail in their actual deliveries of course. I'm only using militia dropships myself, but considering how fragile the ships are to begin with, this is a pertinent issue.


CCP OverRainbow C C P C C P Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:15:00 - [11] - Quote Hi, Can you capture a video to show how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you

Sardonk Eternia Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc. 89	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:19:00 - [12] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Can you capture a video to show how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you Maybe try playing your game for awhile. I barely ever use dropships but I see this kind of RDV crap all the time.
Sardonk Eternia Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc. 89	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:20:00 - [13] - Quote We aren't beta testers anymore. It's ludicrous for you to ask us to use third-party hardware and software to "show" you bugs.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 75	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:59:00 - [14] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: This needs to stop. Now. Tonight I spawned 8 dropships. 1.3 million each. I lost 2 to RDV pilots crashing before they even delivered my DS. That's 2.6 million. Then I lost 3 to random out of clucking nowhere RdV swipes. That's another 3.9 million. So as I see it CCP you owe me 6.5 million. Really this is lame and has to stop. You need to look after your players. I accept bugs but this is just BS. How about a Dev logs in an apologises to me. My ISK take real hours of my real life to earn. And your code takes it off me unfairly. If nothing else how about a sorry, If they ever pay you for this I'd InfiniLOL as they would then have to pay me 340 Million ISK (No exaggeration.....) for the Tanks i've lost to my own RDV alone. Eagle's Nest/Line Harvest harvested many Tears.....lol. God forbid someone spends AUR on one..... This was tally since "Launch" (Open Beta), so the Bill just keeps racking up :P CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Can you capture a video to show how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you You are obviously new here.....so I'll let your Wide-Eyed Ignorance slide this time :P Your "Overlords" knew full well what they did when they hired "The Scapegoat"
Judge Rhadamanthus Kapow Heavy Industries 156	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:36:00 - [15] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. Sure. But it will have to be from my Ipad filming the tv. hope that is okay. Quality is fine, just not full on screen capture which i can only do in SD at the moment.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:38:00 - [16] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. Sure. But it will have to be from my Ipad filming the tv. hope that is okay. Quality is fine, just not full on screen capture which i can only do in SD at the moment. Any quality is good as long as you can see.
Senator Snipe SOLDIERS OF THE UNDERGROUND 16	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:56:00 - [17] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: This needs to stop. Now. Tonight I spawned 8 dropships. 1.3 million each. I lost 2 to RDV pilots crashing before they even delivered my DS. That's 2.6 million. Then I lost 3 to random out of clucking nowhere RdV swipes. That's another 3.9 million. So as I see it CCP you owe me 6.5 million. Really this is lame and has to stop. You need to look after your players. I accept bugs but this is just BS. How about a Dev logs in an apologises to me. My ISK take real hours of my real life to earn. And your code takes it off me unfairly. If nothing else how about a sorry, sorry.....jk jk. Can you explain how exactly it crashed? was it hit before landing? or got blown up when it landed? if so, by who?
Nguruthos IX Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 607	Posted - 2013.06.17 10:43:00 - [18] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. I'm sorry, but are you kidding me? You have a system in place where RDV's spawn randomly in the air, with full speed in some trajectory. Then you have user vehicles in the air zooming around costing 1-2 million ISK as of yet. RDV's frequently both decloak inside of drop-ships, spawn and fly straight into them from close/far away (centimeters to miles), or depart and crash into drop-ships after they've deployed a vehicle. Any one of these events results in instant death of the user's vehicle, they take like 50,000-200,000 damage or something stupid and just drop out of the sky burning. I've lost at LEAST 200 million ISK to this issue and quite frankly nobody is going to play this game in the air when most of their deaths are due to something completely out of ANYONE's control except CCP. Sure if I had someone to hold my cellphone and run video capture 24-7 I could get you a video. But the mechanics are there and obvious. You may not believe the frequency of this occurrence but the fact that it Can happen should be bad enough to warrant some consideration of change. Although if I were to film somehow, I could probably show you 10-20 RDV collisions a day, and a good portion of those being literally spawned inside of. Instant, unpredictable, and unavoidable death. That'd be about 15-35 million ISK? I realize you're new here so don't take this personally. I'm actually very glad you responded since this issue has been around [FOREVER]. I guess you didn't get the CCP memo to ignore it though. I just find it odd how you request a video of this happening as if CCP has never seen or heard of it before. Never flown a drop-ship more than 3 matches or wasn't aware that this could happen. It happens because there is nothing to prevent it from happening. And the more you fly, the more likely it is to happen to you.
Judge Rhadamanthus Kapow Heavy Industries 157	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:39:00 - [19] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: I'm sorry, but are you kidding me? A helping hand has been extended. This Dev may want to see it from our side, may be new, may want to have evidence from us to help push it up the bug list to get it above the line. While it may be instinct to slap the hand, i'll be reaching out for it and I am grateful to have had a response. I'll do my best to treat the request as a genuine offer of assistance. Why don't you do the same. Film if you can, screenshot the damage in at the end if you can't film it.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 22	Posted - 2013.06.17 12:13:00 - [20] - Quote Unrelated to dropships, but today an RDV crashed into me while I was watching over Bravo on Manus Peak (I was up on the tabletop with a forge gun). There is also a video on YouTube of an RDV flying a tank into someone's face. Seems like RDVs pose a threat to infantry as well.

GOTDUST MURDER TAXI COMPANY 17	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:06:00 - [21] - Quote CCP get rid of the deliiivery ships all together. Teleeport vehicles in. Probllem solved.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 109	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:37:00 - [22] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. I have no video, but I wanted to comment. The RDV Pilots are... Constantly drunk. Do they have a drink in EVE that makes you permanently intoxicated? Anyways, I called in a cheap Logi-LAV, only around 150k ISK. I actually had to chase it around the area because this pilot could not keep it still. Sometimes, the pilot is sober, and will just fly in and drop it like he's meant to. But other times, the paths will get crossed for 2 RDVs, and their years of training can't save their lives. Or they'll bump into structures, and break your 1.3 million ISK Dropship. The only part of coding I feel happy about, is the part where if you're in a tight space, it will drop the car in a more open area. So yea. I just hope the PvE coming 'soon' has a bit better AI. No matter how excited I am to see a group of drones firing at a Nanohive and missing.
gbh08 74656d70 11	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:44:00 - [23] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. Really?! ... why cant you guys just play and test YOUR own game a little bit Why did all our time playing beta on one map for bare time amount to absolutely nothing? Same **** happend in the aiming thread, some dev comes in and asks for video proof lmfao, Like it needs any video proof..... its blatently obvious and sticks out like a sore thumb, how can you guys be so unaware with all these issues? maybe you should stop testing your game in 5 vs 5 dev match over LAN at launch time with a ssd drive in ur shiny dev box, and play like the rest of us on a normal retail ps3 at home over a internet connection, then you should have no trouble to see how messy dust 514 is and can prolly stop wasting our time asking for video proofs
Vethosis 843 Boot Camp 335	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:21:00 - [24] - Quote gbh08 wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. Really?! ... why cant you guys just play and test YOUR own game a little bit Why did all our time playing beta on one map for bare time amount to absolutely nothing? Same **** happend in the aiming thread, some dev comes in and asks for video proof lmfao, Like it needs any video proof..... its blatently obvious and sticks out like a sore thumb, how can you guys be so unaware with all these issues? maybe you should stop testing your game in 5 vs 5 dev match over LAN at launch time with a ssd drive in ur shiny dev box, and play like the rest of us on a normal retail ps3 at home over a internet connection, then you should have no trouble to see how messy dust 514 is and can prolly stop wasting our time asking for video proofs this
Killit With Fire DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:04:00 - [25] - Quote Yea, I remember the first time I saw how RDV rams Dropship in the air.... It was real WTF moment
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 80	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:57:00 - [26] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. I have no video, but I wanted to comment. The RDV Pilots are... Constantly drunk. Do they have a drink in EVE that makes you permanently intoxicated? Anyways, I called in a cheap Logi-LAV, only around 150k ISK. I actually had to chase it around the area because this pilot could not keep it still. Sometimes, the pilot is sober, and will just fly in and drop it like he's meant to. But other times, the paths will get crossed for 2 RDVs, and their years of training can't save their lives. Or they'll bump into structures, and break your 1.3 million ISK Dropship. The only part of coding I feel happy about, is the part where if you're in a tight space, it will drop the car in a more open area. So yea. I just hope the PvE coming 'soon' has a bit better AI. No matter how excited I am to see a group of drones firing at a Nanohive and missing. I like when the RDV doesn't hit anything, just circles me four times before dropping the vehicle. Especially fun in PC because you know, in competitive team play what I really wanted to be doing was waiting on a vehicle to take 4x as long as it should to drop.
Nguruthos IX Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 607	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: I'm sorry, but are you kidding me? A helping hand has been extended. This Dev may want to see it from our side, may be new, may want to have evidence from us to help push it up the bug list to get it above the line. While it may be instinct to slap the hand, i'll be reaching out for it and I am grateful to have had a response. I'll do my best to treat the request as a genuine offer of assistance. Why don't you do the same. Film if you can, screenshot the damage in at the end if you can't film it. Yeah, I'll try to sometime. Sorry, I'm just astounded that something like this should require evidence though. All the mechanics are there. It's like building a game that has fall damage then asking to see a video of someone falling to death before you'll understand what's happening.
voidfaction Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:34:00 - [28] - Quote So to bring down a dropship just stand under and call for vehicle. kinda like a 15s anti-dropship weapon, lol. my sniper rifle has no possible way to hit the pilot so I should call in RDV to crash into the dropship. I thought FREE LAV's were just for running over people. nice to know they have other uses.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 193	Posted - 2013.06.18 03:38:00 - [29] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: I'm sorry, but are you kidding me? A helping hand has been extended. This Dev may want to see it from our side, may be new, may want to have evidence from us to help push it up the bug list to get it above the line. While it may be instinct to slap the hand, i'll be reaching out for it and I am grateful to have had a response. I'll do my best to treat the request as a genuine offer of assistance. Why don't you do the same. Film if you can, screenshot the damage in at the end if you can't film it. Yeah, I'll try to sometime. Sorry, I'm just astounded that something like this should require evidence though. All the mechanics are there. It's like building a game that has fall damage then asking to see a video of someone falling to death before you'll understand what's happening. Or maybe devs never had this happening as they are playing game normally while you are trying to drop dropship on all possible places and get it squashed - therefore they need proof of concept in order to fix it.
gbh08 74656d70 17	Posted - 2013.06.18 07:08:00 - [30] - Quote CCP OverRainbow wrote: Hi, Could you please capture a video to demonstrate how the RDV behavior is so we can investigate this problem better? Thank you. why ninja my post ccp? it was full of homes truths you didnt like huh sad but true



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