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Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:55:00 -
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Ok first off before anyone screams "BECAUSE THEIR SHIPS ARE SLOWER IN EVE THEREFORE IN DUST AMARR PLAYERS MUST BE SLOW," cool your jets. I'm aware that Amarr ships in EVE are slower, so by the law that governs video games, that speed penalty should translate into DUST.
My question though is why?
Yes, Amarr tend to be armor tankers which means armor plates which leads to speed penalties, but so do the Gallente. The Gallente are also armor tankers yet their suits do not suffer from an across the board speed penalty.
I would like to assume that it is a balancing method to counterbalance the fact that the Amarr suits have a hefty amount of PG and CPU in comparison to the other suits. I assume it would be imbalanced to allow the Amarr suits to have a nice chunk of PG and CPU AND be as quick as the other suits as well. Then again, the Amarr suits "need" the larger PG and CPU values in order to fit their complementary laser weapons (although which weapons a person uses is to their own discretion).
I'm in no way upset about the fact the Amarr have the speed penalty and I have adapted, I just want a legitimate reason as to why they have the penalty.
I'd hate to think the reason simply is - Amarr EVE ships are slow therefore let's make the Amarr DUST characters slow as well by having them take a hit to their base sprint and movement speed. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4225
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:00:00 -
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Amarr suits also have the most base health (I should know, I use them). |
Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:03:00 -
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Amarr have a speed penalty? Hmm. Hasn't hampered my medium suits...or my LAVs. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
207
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:03:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Amarr suits also have the most base health (I should know, I use them).
Yeah, forgot about that.
180 Shield and 180 Armor. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
826
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:04:00 -
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List the pros and cons, not just the cons. Amarr have advantages other suits do not, but are slower. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
585
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:21:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Amarr suits also have the most base health (I should know, I use them).
while they have the least amount of slots and that extra hp is what like 30hp more? so less then one advanced shield extender.. |
Aetos Vahara
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:32:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'd hate to think the reason simply is - Amarr EVE ships are slow therefore let's make the Amarr DUST characters slow as well by having them take a hit to their base sprint and movement speed.
I never knew that the Amarr ships in EVE was slow, but I agree to an extent in that the ships and the mercs shouldn't be compared in stats other than cosmetic designs. It is really unfair to have the Gallente having speed advantages over the Amarr when it comes to armors. Armors are heavy. If the Amarr is the most technologically advanced, then their armors should be slimmer and the Gallente would be on equal footing with each other. The Gallente may be organic looking, but they should have the movement penalty and not the Amarr. The Amarrs know their armors well and should be able to handle them well without any penalties. |
Aero Yassavi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:35:00 -
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More cons, Amarr have less slots than other racial variants. It's pretty present with the Assault but it's really obvious with the Logistics. |
Relkina Alabastar
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:39:00 -
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The answer is very simple. The filthy Amarr have to stop after every step a reflect on their own perceived superiority. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
162
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:54:00 -
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It's weird that Amar medium suits are slower than Gallente which have more armor. I would have thought medium suits would be, from fastest to slowest, Caldari (lowest armor), Amar (2nd lowest armor), Gallente (highest armor). |
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Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
212
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:02:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:It's weird that Amar medium suits are slower than Gallente which have more armor. I would have thought medium suits would be, from fastest to slowest, Caldari (lowest armor), Amar (2nd lowest armor), Gallente (highest armor).
But that would make too much sense.
The more I think about it, unfortunately, the more it feels like CCP just kind of slapped this penalty on the Amarr suits. |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI
149
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:02:00 -
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Out of all mediums I have to say Amarr is beefiest. It looks armored so I do expect that is slower. The gallente are the skinniest. It also seem they would have better shields and be faster. Minmatar look hefty to me so I would think they would be slow. But I guess not. The caladari just looks balanced. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
101
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:07:00 -
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Better tanks...so there needs to be a drawback. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
164
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:11:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Out of all mediums I have to say Amarr is beefiest. It looks armored so I do expect that is slower. The gallente are the skinniest. It also seem they would have better shields and be faster. Minmatar look hefty to me so I would think they would be slow. But I guess not. The caladari just looks balanced.
You bring up a good point. The Amar medium does look beefy, as if it had more armor. It seems like the Amar should have been the armor suit and Gallente should have been the balanced suit, just by appearance. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
212
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:12:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Better tanks...so there needs to be a drawback.
Gallente Proto gets four lows while the Amarr Proto has three - how does the Amarr Proto Assault therefore then have a better tank?
That fourth slot makes a difference. |
Aero Yassavi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:15:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Better tanks...so there needs to be a drawback. Gallente Proto gets four lows while the Amarr Proto has three - how does the Amarr Proto Assault therefore then have a better tank? That fourth slot makes a difference.
And before anyone says "Well Amarr also get's 3 high slots" keep in mind the Gallente does too.
Gallente Assault: 3 high, 4 low
Amarr Assault: 3 high, 3 low |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
101
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:16:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Better tanks...so there needs to be a drawback. Gallente Proto gets four lows while the Amarr Proto has three - how does the Amarr Proto Assault therefore then have a better tank? That fourth slot makes a difference.
Split tanking...and fitting. |
Aero Yassavi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:20:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Better tanks...so there needs to be a drawback. Gallente Proto gets four lows while the Amarr Proto has three - how does the Amarr Proto Assault therefore then have a better tank? That fourth slot makes a difference. Split tanking...and fitting. And as others have said...higher base health which quite frankly is reason enough. Gallente gets the same amount of High slots as Amarr. And before you say, "Well Amarr gets a bit more CPU," that 4th low slot they have can be used for a fitting module.
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Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
203
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:20:00 -
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I would guess its since the Gallente use a more high tech light weight alloy.
While the amarr get more armour by using more metal(I think gold, cause it looks like gold) |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
212
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:21:00 -
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This is what I've done to get some speed out of the Amarr medium.
I call it my wannabe Amarr Scout Placeholder fit.
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h436/Alex_Cotman/20130606_094928_zpsd81dc7ad.jpg |
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
304
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:23:00 -
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Amarr trade some speed and a slot for a lot of extra CPU/PG and some HP.
My friend who fully specced into Amarr can fit all proto, while I'm struggling figuring out what to turn down a level and what to turn up. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
203
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:24:00 -
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That reminds me of the old caldari assaults from the last build. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
212
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:27:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:That reminds me of the old caldari assaults from the last build.
I knew someone would say it XD |
Aero Yassavi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:35:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Amarr trade some speed and a slot for a lot of extra CPU/PG and some HP.
My friend who fully specced into Amarr can fit all proto, while I'm struggling figuring out what to turn down a level and what to turn up.
You sure he doesn't just have his Electronics and Engineering trained higher? Amarr doesn't get much more CPU/PG, especially considering Gallente can counter it with a fitting mod in that bonus low slot they get.
Cody Sietz wrote:I would guess its since the Gallente use a more high tech light weight alloy.
While the amarr get more armour by using more metal(I think gold, cause it looks like gold)
We're looking for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
392
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:44:00 -
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Amarr tend to buffer tank, having massive amounts of armor. Gallente tend to rely on repairing their armor rather than just having lots of it. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1789
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:49:00 -
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Amarr have giant back packs, Gallente do not.
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Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
392
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:55:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:We're looking for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons. You haven't been around New Eden too long, have you? |
Aero Yassavi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:09:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:We're looking for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons. You haven't been around New Eden too long, have you?
Nope, nor do I care how EVE has done thinks. This is an FPS, gameplay always comes first. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1791
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:12:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:We're looking for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons. You haven't been around New Eden too long, have you? Nope, nor do I care how EVE has done thinks. This is an FPS, gameplay always comes first.
And for what reason do you believe that the Amarr suit should be as fast as other suits? |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:16:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Amarr trade some speed and a slot for a lot of extra CPU/PG and some HP.
My friend who fully specced into Amarr can fit all proto, while I'm struggling figuring out what to turn down a level and what to turn up. You sure he doesn't just have his Electronics and Engineering trained higher? Amarr doesn't get much more CPU/PG, especially considering Gallente can counter it with a fitting mod in that bonus low slot they get. Cody Sietz wrote:I would guess its since the Gallente use a more high tech light weight alloy.
While the amarr get more armour by using more metal(I think gold, cause it looks like gold) We're looking for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons.
We both got everything maxed.
The higher base CPU/PG makes it so that the 30% bonus from all the skills together give a bigger bonus to the Amarr suit.
Also, I'm too busy fitting armor plates and repps, because I must use every slot for it or else I will either have bad eHP or bad regen.
So using up CPU/PG slots is the last thing I want to do.
Though even when I dedicate all of my slots I sitll have bad both.
Because CCP doesn't know the meaning of balance when it comes to armor vs shields. (It took them 10 years in EVE to even START balancing) |
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