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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:26:00 -
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I think I got it, the amarr are meant to be a class lower than it. the assault amarr is meant to be the amarr scout and the amarr logi is meant to be the assault amarr and here is the big kicker the amarr heavy is meant to be the amarr logi so wait im sure a heavier amarr class is coming out. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:45:00 -
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ladwar wrote:I think I got it, the amarr are meant to be a class lower than it. the assault amarr is meant to be the amarr scout and the amarr logi is meant to be the assault amarr and here is the big kicker the amarr heavy is meant to be the amarr logi so wait im sure a heavier amarr class is coming out.
If anything reverse the order.
I have a feeling once the Amarr Scout is released, it too will be slapped with a speed penalty and be marked as an "Amarr Light Assault" rather than a true Amarr Scout. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:48:00 -
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The amarr have the highest base EHP, both shields and armor, the idea behind the Amarr speed penalty is that they were meant to have the highest EHP of all the suits but because of some suit imbalances they do not come out on top, your best bet is to repost this thread after uprising 1.2 which will add some extra balancing to your suit and the Gallente suits. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
61
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:03:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:We're looking for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons. You haven't been around New Eden too long, have you? Nope, nor do I care how EVE has done thinks. This is an FPS, gameplay always comes first. And for what reason do you believe that the Amarr suit should be as fast as other suits? Well for one Amarr has the least amount of high and low slots. Also Gallente has more armor than Amarr yet is faster. |
Arrach Sarkal
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:08:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I would guess its since the Gallente use a more high tech light weight alloy.
While the amarr get more armour by using more metal(I think gold, cause it looks like gold) Amarr ships are armoured with tungsten carbide armour plates.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:11:00 -
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Relkina Alabastar wrote:The answer is very simple. The filthy Amarr have to stop after every step a reflect on their own perceived superiority.
/thread
Everything beyond that does not exist. |
Pilgrim Plymco
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:36:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:
Yes, Amarr tend to be armor tankers which means armor plates which leads to speed penalties, but so do the Gallente. The Gallente are also armor tankers yet their suits do not suffer from an across the board speed penalty.
I would like to assume that it is a balancing method to counterbalance the fact that the Amarr suits have a hefty amount of PG and CPU in comparison to the other suits. I assume it would be imbalanced to allow the Amarr suits to have a nice chunk of PG and CPU AND be as quick as the other suits as well. Then again, the Amarr suits "need" the larger PG and CPU values in order to fit their complementary laser weapons (although which weapons a person uses is to their own discretion).
http://bhdclan.enjin.com/forum/editpost/40862052/m/5664801
The amarr assault suits have a bonus to laser rifle overheating
- The amarr, compared to gallente, assault also has more max CPU/PG while having a bit of a speed penalty, would you like to remove the CPU/PG advantage in order to get rid of the speed penalty?
- If you add up the total shield/armor for the amarr it comes to 360, if you add it for gallente it is 330, again you have more shield/armor total in the amarr than the gallente would you want to remove that advantage to increase the speed?
- The amarr recharge delay is 6 while the gallente is 7, again same question...are you willing to lose this to gain the speed?
- The amarr sprint duration is 20 while Gallente is only 15.......this is because amarr's stamina is 200 while gallente is only 150..are you willing to lose stamina for speed?
- Amarr stamina recharge rate is 20 while gallente is also 15, again.......same question.
I think you didn't look deep enough at the stats before using the Gallente class in your example.
Do you want me to do this for a different class of suit? If you are not an assault suit user I can do the comparisons for whatever class you want. It is the same for the scout, logi, and heavy when comparing amarr to gallente and I do have all the stats right here if you would like me to post anything. |
matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:55:00 -
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the amarr assault seems ok in terms of balance, the logi should have like 1 more slot, and probably at least the same pg as the assault
in reality it's base speed isn't so poor you can't move on its the fact you have 3/3 so you want some armor some shield and the split tanks costs more sp, ok, fine not so bad, but then you get speed penalized again by plates, and end up with like the same movement as a heavy ... |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:16:00 -
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Pilgrim Plymco wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:
Yes, Amarr tend to be armor tankers which means armor plates which leads to speed penalties, but so do the Gallente. The Gallente are also armor tankers yet their suits do not suffer from an across the board speed penalty.
I would like to assume that it is a balancing method to counterbalance the fact that the Amarr suits have a hefty amount of PG and CPU in comparison to the other suits. I assume it would be imbalanced to allow the Amarr suits to have a nice chunk of PG and CPU AND be as quick as the other suits as well. Then again, the Amarr suits "need" the larger PG and CPU values in order to fit their complementary laser weapons (although which weapons a person uses is to their own discretion).
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85270&p=2 The amarr assault suits have a bonus to laser rifle overheating
- The amarr, compared to gallente, assault also has more max CPU/PG while having a bit of a speed penalty, would you like to remove the CPU/PG advantage in order to get rid of the speed penalty?
- If you add up the total shield/armor for the amarr it comes to 360, if you add it for gallente it is 330, again you have more shield/armor total in the amarr than the gallente would you want to remove that advantage to increase the speed?
- The amarr recharge delay is 6 while the gallente is 7, again same question...are you willing to lose this to gain the speed?
- The amarr sprint duration is 20 while Gallente is only 15.......this is because amarr's stamina is 200 while gallente is only 150..are you willing to lose stamina for speed?
- Amarr stamina recharge rate is 20 while gallente is also 15, again.......same question.
I think you didn't look deep enough at the stats before using the Gallente class in your example. Do you want me to do this for a different class of suit? If you are not an assault suit user I can do the comparisons for whatever class you want. It is the same for the scout, logi, and heavy when comparing amarr to gallente and I do have all the stats right here if you would like me to post anything.
Yeah I'd give them up.
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Omen Astrul
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:55:00 -
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Bump.
Amarr gets a little extra HP in exchange for a slot (which could more than make up for that HP). So in reality its strength is also a weakness.
And on top of that, it gets a reduction in movement speed.....
Please CCP, remove the speed reduction. |
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.06.12 14:11:00 -
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Because they're not a progressive culture |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
809
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Posted - 2013.06.12 14:12:00 -
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War skirts come at a hefty cost.
But you look damn sexy while you trudge through the sand. |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
15
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:23:00 -
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You guys are forgetting Amarr have by far the highest stamina. So yes, my Amarr logi is a little slower, but over distance he is actually faster because I can sprint farther and recover stamina faster.
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Omen Astrul
Red STar. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:53:00 -
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Bump.
Reduce stamina but increase movement speed so it's inline with other suits' base speed.
All the advantages of the amarr suit are balanced by the -1 slot. The movement penalty is just one straw too many. |
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