DUST Search - Announcement:June 6th update to planetary conquest

Gunner Nightingale wrote:

Shrapnels wrote:

Where is the Cost fixes for a Corp who does NOT own a District, when Attacking?

I suggested this, but as it was pointed out to me, ALT corps freaking alt corps would abuse the crap out of it.

Unfortunately there is no good answer. But i for one would rather the entry into PC be lower even if it means economic might can overwhelm.

I have suggested a few things to help mitigate it though.

1. Currently a successful defense will yield 50% of clones from any clones over 150 brought to battle. Problem is no one brings more than 150 clones. So if you are only producing 80 clones that is your buffer before you can be beaten down by attrition over time. Frankly an 80 clone loss is very easy to come by in a tough fight.

Solution: Make it 50% of clones brought to battle regardless of number. So if its 150 clones you will earn 75 of them from a successful defense, add that your 80-100 clone generation, successfully defending really pays off and makes people think 2x of just mindless throwing ISK at you. As far as how to account for such a high yield, lets simply say that from x number of clones destroyed you can salvage the parts to yield a 50% return.

2. Currently there is a minimum 150 clone movement on attack, with this you can only obtain 50% of the clone generation of the district you are attacking. That is 40-50 clones. Again makes raiding not all that profitable once you factor in clone loss to and during battle and the ISK transport cost.

Solution: Make it 100% that means you can raid a district and gain 80-100 clones for winning the attack. That is a great raiding yield while not increasing passive ISK gain.

Originally i thought lets just increase the clone generation. That would only make things worse since your are creating a larger passive ISK faucet. Now ISK generation comes from actively attacking or successfully defending.

Most important you will note is that WINNING is the predominant factor that yields your rewards.

Now if you did this and lowered the ISK cost of clone attack to 40-60M It wouldnt be so bad. Sure ppl could use their ISK printers to use more clone pack attacks but if they aren't winning then they are basically paying you to fight them. If they are winning by farming small corps well then that might be where a good MERC organization can help--Fortunately I know of such an organization ;)

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CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 21666	Posted - 2013.06.05 17:32:00 - [1] - Quote Hey DUST mercs, When we launched planetary conquest for DUST when corporations conquered a district the district would be in a online-locked state. On Tuesday June 4th along with EVE Online: Odyssey we deployed a change so that when a corporation conquers a district it would be in a online-unlocked state. This actually introduced a defect in which capturing a unoccupied district would become online-locked, instead of online-unlocked like taking someone elses district. We have a fix for this defect ready to go and will be releasing it with the server downtime on June 6th. On top of this however we are also making another change. When a corporation attacks a district from the time the battle is scheduled to start until 1 hour later it is in a special locked state. As of tomorrows downtime, June 6th, if you are the attacking corporation and you now own the district you can make changes to it, like changing the reinforcement window. For more details on the new change please see this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84690&find=unread

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2012	Posted - 2013.06.05 17:38:00 - [2] - Quote Like his post, like it damn you, get him to 10 million. Ohh, we got a notification when we get liked, spam his notification box.
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 76	Posted - 2013.06.05 17:50:00 - [3] - Quote Where is the Cost fixes for a Corp who does NOT own a District, when Attacking?
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 400	Posted - 2013.06.05 18:01:00 - [4] - Quote that's 1 good thing, we need more good things
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 682	Posted - 2013.06.05 18:09:00 - [5] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: Where is the Cost fixes for a Corp who does NOT own a District, when Attacking? I suggested this, but as it was pointed out to me, ALT corps freaking alt corps would abuse the crap out of it. Unfortunately there is no good answer. But i for one would rather the entry into PC be lower even if it means economic might can overwhelm. I have suggested a few things to help mitigate it though. 1. Currently a successful defense will yield 50% of clones from any clones over 150 brought to battle. Problem is no one brings more than 150 clones. So if you are only producing 80 clones that is your buffer before you can be beaten down by attrition over time. Frankly an 80 clone loss is very easy to come by in a tough fight. Solution: Make it 50% of clones brought to battle regardless of number. So if its 150 clones you will earn 75 of them from a successful defense, add that your 80-100 clone generation, successfully defending really pays off and makes people think 2x of just mindless throwing ISK at you. As far as how to account for such a high yield, lets simply say that from x number of clones destroyed you can salvage the parts to yield a 50% return. 2. Currently there is a minimum 150 clone movement on attack, with this you can only obtain 50% of the clone generation of the district you are attacking. That is 40-50 clones. Again makes raiding not all that profitable once you factor in clone loss to and during battle and the ISK transport cost. Solution: Make it 100% that means you can raid a district and gain 80-100 clones for winning the attack. That is a great raiding yield while not increasing passive ISK gain. Originally i thought lets just increase the clone generation. That would only make things worse since your are creating a larger passive ISK faucet. Now ISK generation comes from actively attacking or successfully defending. Most important you will note is that WINNING is the predominant factor that yields your rewards. Now if you did this and lowered the ISK cost of clone attack to 40-60M It wouldnt be so bad. Sure ppl could use their ISK printers to use more clone pack attacks but if they aren't winning then they are basically paying you to fight them. If they are winning by farming small corps well then that might be where a good MERC organization can help--Fortunately I know of such an organization ;)
Green Living PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 344	Posted - 2013.06.05 20:05:00 - [6] - Quote Great News! ... For the one percent of the Dust population that is participating in PC.
Spyd Quasar Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 18	Posted - 2013.06.05 20:13:00 - [7] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey DUST mercs, When we launched planetary conquest for DUST when corporations conquered a district the district would be in a online-locked state. On Tuesday June 4th along with EVE Online: Odyssey we deployed a change so that when a corporation conquers a district it would be in a online-unlocked state. This actually introduced a defect in which capturing a unoccupied district would become online-locked, instead of online-unlocked like taking someone elses district. We have a fix for this defect ready to go and will be releasing it with the server downtime on June 6th. On top of this however we are also making another change. When a corporation attacks a district from the time the battle is scheduled to start until 1 hour later it is in a special locked state. As of tomorrows downtime, June 6th, if you are the attacking corporation and you now own the district you can make changes to it, like changing the reinforcement window. For more details on the new change please see this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84690&find=unread Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 647	Posted - 2013.06.05 22:09:00 - [8] - Quote Spyd Quasar wrote: Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game last. Unnecessarily fixed for you.
Luke Vetri D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 87	Posted - 2013.06.05 22:09:00 - [9] - Quote Lag is an issue yes, more if an issue is the infinite loading bug and the total unreliability of getting people into a PC battle, just about every night we have had to have people on standby to pull in when people don't make it to the war barge...
SVER Loyalist Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:19:00 - [10] - Quote Wow who gives a fhuk, fix the lagg u tards

Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Frontlinez 146	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:30:00 - [11] - Quote +1
Mr Gloo Gloo What The French CRONOS. 90	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:33:00 - [12] - Quote Cool bro, Medic fix ? Oh yes, we are playing a game based on clones ... Still can't revive them properly. Framerate/lag fix ? Oh yes, this is a FPS game, when you shoot someone, you need to hit and make damages. Logi caldari suit fix ? Oh btw, don't need to change something on stats or slots, just the skin and the hitbox with it, there you'll have a logi. No one went on vk1 on chromosome just cause of the hit box, but it was as cheat as the calda now. Mic fix ? Oh yes, we are playing a game where communication is a need, and you always need to reboot all the system to have mic working properly. Dropuplinks glitches ? meeehhh, it's just cheat now ... Well ok, i'm a little bit trolling. You're game will survive, but i'm tired to not play a game, just sort of work on it.
Victin Ashis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 25	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:34:00 - [13] - Quote Spyd Quasar wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey DUST mercs, When we launched planetary conquest for DUST when corporations conquered a district the district would be in a online-locked state. On Tuesday June 4th along with EVE Online: Odyssey we deployed a change so that when a corporation conquers a district it would be in a online-unlocked state. This actually introduced a defect in which capturing a unoccupied district would become online-locked, instead of online-unlocked like taking someone elses district. We have a fix for this defect ready to go and will be releasing it with the server downtime on June 6th. On top of this however we are also making another change. When a corporation attacks a district from the time the battle is scheduled to start until 1 hour later it is in a special locked state. As of tomorrows downtime, June 6th, if you are the attacking corporation and you now own the district you can make changes to it, like changing the reinforcement window. For more details on the new change please see this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84690&find=unread Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game. Cause clearly all 70 of the devs working on Dust were working on this bugfix. Absolutely no one was working on anything else
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 409	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:42:00 - [14] - Quote Please talk me this is not the June Update.... So instead of opening PC for everyone... you just going to make it a BIT better, for the few people that is actually involve on it ? What a kick in the balls.
Lilah Silverstone The Arrow Project 65	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:33:00 - [15] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Please talk me this is not the June Update.... So instead of opening PC for everyone... you just going to make it a BIT better, for the few people that is actually involve on it ? What a kick in the balls. Calm down son. You asked a question, assumed you were correct and just made yourself look like a fool. No this was not the June update.
SuperKing BigNuts Contract Hunters 107	Posted - 2013.06.06 02:45:00 - [16] - Quote any chance on that next batch of respecs? some of us have been waiting over 3 weeks now... may 14th to be exact...
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3413	Posted - 2013.06.06 04:59:00 - [17] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Shrapnels wrote: Where is the Cost fixes for a Corp who does NOT own a District, when Attacking? I suggested this, but as it was pointed out to me, ALT corps freaking alt corps would abuse the crap out of it. Unfortunately there is no good answer. But i for one would rather the entry into PC be lower even if it means economic might can overwhelm. I have suggested a few things to help mitigate it though. 1. Currently a successful defense will yield 50% of clones from any clones over 150 brought to battle. Problem is no one brings more than 150 clones. So if you are only producing 80 clones that is your buffer before you can be beaten down by attrition over time. Frankly an 80 clone loss is very easy to come by in a tough fight. Solution: Make it 50% of clones brought to battle regardless of number. So if its 150 clones you will earn 75 of them from a successful defense, add that your 80-100 clone generation, successfully defending really pays off and makes people think 2x of just mindless throwing ISK at you. As far as how to account for such a high yield, lets simply say that from x number of clones destroyed you can salvage the parts to yield a 50% return. 2. Currently there is a minimum 150 clone movement on attack, with this you can only obtain 50% of the clone generation of the district you are attacking. That is 40-50 clones. Again makes raiding not all that profitable once you factor in clone loss to and during battle and the ISK transport cost. Solution: Make it 100% that means you can raid a district and gain 80-100 clones for winning the attack. That is a great raiding yield while not increasing passive ISK gain. Originally i thought lets just increase the clone generation. That would only make things worse since your are creating a larger passive ISK faucet. Now ISK generation comes from actively attacking or successfully defending. Most important you will note is that WINNING is the predominant factor that yields your rewards. Now if you did this and lowered the ISK cost of clone attack to 40-60M It wouldnt be so bad. Sure ppl could use their ISK printers to use more clone pack attacks but if they aren't winning then they are basically paying you to fight them. If they are winning by farming small corps well then that might be where a good MERC organization can help--Fortunately I know of such an organization ;) Gunner <3 +1 Panther Alpha wrote: Please talk me this is not the June Update.... So instead of opening PC for everyone... you just going to make it a BIT better, for the few people that is actually involve on it ? What a kick in the balls. i think ppl have the wrong concept of PC. ur still gonna have to fight u know? most corps in the game tbqh arent ready for PC opening up massive amounts of space just so everyone can have space isnt wise, it lowers conflict and ppl just end up sittin back and gettin fat. What needs to happen is instead of more space proper merc tools in place and also raiding like what gunner mentioned and ffs player market so we can trade and sell ****
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 48	Posted - 2013.06.06 07:03:00 - [18] - Quote I know folks who would love to play PC, but until they fix the server issues to where the attackers and/or defenders don't lag so bad that they have no chance to honestly win?, very few are going to be willing to spend 80m isks.... might as well just give the isks away and save the suits... o/ Bill
Allen S Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.06.06 07:51:00 - [19] - Quote Looks like normal dt with this update today?
Senator Snipe Nova Tech Marines Hephaestus Forge Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:49:00 - [20] - Quote yay no respec .-.

Zauis Gallente Net Warriors Z 4	Posted - 2013.06.06 11:49:00 - [21] - Quote Soooo what happened to our respecs?
Senator Snipe Nova Tech Marines Hephaestus Forge Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.06.06 11:57:00 - [22] - Quote Zauis Gallente wrote: Soooo what happened to our respecs? I wish i knew. They got to finish what they started, not to just jump from another thing to another. If others got their respec and some didn't, just finish what was started.
SuperKing BigNuts Contract Hunters 110	Posted - 2013.06.06 14:53:00 - [23] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=909424#post909424 seems like there is a fuster cluck of confusion going on as we now have a dev saying we should file new petitions about our respec at this point... i filed for my respec on may 14th, over 3 weeks ago now, got flagged on the 17th, and only seen ONE batch of respecs get processed which i recieved some FML Lottery hiccup and managed to not be a part said respec batch... also ive had a petition open about my lack of respec since the 28th when i was missed in that first batch...
Spyd Quasar Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 18	Posted - 2013.06.06 15:02:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Spyd Quasar wrote: Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game last. Unnecessarily fixed for you. Dedicate to talk about what you know, you do not know how much lag I have. That you have lag does not mean that I do not have. Speak for yourself and not for others.
HexSoul VI SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.06.06 17:23:00 - [25] - Quote SVER Loyalist wrote: Wow who gives a fhuk, fix the lagg u tards if you keep your ps3 whith enogh free memory and good connection it should be ok
Senator Snipe Nova Tech Marines Hephaestus Forge Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.06.06 17:24:00 - [26] - Quote SuperKing BigNuts wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=909424#post909424 seems like there is a fuster cluck of confusion going on as we now have a dev saying we should file new petitions about our respec at this point... i filed for my respec on may 14th, over 3 weeks ago now, got flagged on the 17th, and only seen ONE batch of respecs get processed which i recieved some FML Lottery hiccup and managed to not be a part said respec batch... also ive had a petition open about my lack of respec since the 28th when i was missed in that first batch... I sent mines on the 29th of May.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2013.06.06 21:53:00 - [27] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Spyd Quasar wrote: Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game last. Unnecessarily fixed for you. I'm playing the forum game now... did I just see someone try to correct someone and make such a simple mistake as CCP is prone to do. "Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game can last. (or your other option is to say Let's see how long the game lasts.) So this is another nothing actually changes situation.
Spyd Quasar Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 21	Posted - 2013.06.07 02:40:00 - [28] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Spyd Quasar wrote: Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game last. Unnecessarily fixed for you. I'm playing the forum game now... did I just see someone try to correct someone and make such a simple mistake as CCP is prone to do. "Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game can last. (or your other option is to say Let's see how long the game lasts.) So this is another nothing actually changes situation. You say that he corrected me and also did wrong? LOL I'm Spanish and you know how google translator translates. I would not be writing here if we had a GM in Spanish forum to respond to our questions. Thanks man, I appreciate you teach me some English, it is good to know that there are nice people here. Sorry for my english ( english of google)
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 177	Posted - 2013.06.07 02:54:00 - [29] - Quote I thought I recognized google translate.... you are welcome. Even if there was a spanish gm for that section of the forum, they probably would not respond to any of your serious questions. Good luck with your future use of google translate. (I'm not nice, just polite sometimes.)
Her Nibs CLONE KILLERZ 2	Posted - 2013.06.07 15:29:00 - [30] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey DUST mercs, When we launched planetary conquest for DUST when corporations conquered a district the district would be in a online-locked state. On Tuesday June 4th along with EVE Online: Odyssey we deployed a change so that when a corporation conquers a district it would be in a online-unlocked state. This actually introduced a defect in which capturing a unoccupied district would become online-locked, instead of online-unlocked like taking someone elses district. We have a fix for this defect ready to go and will be releasing it with the server downtime on June 6th. On top of this however we are also making another change. When a corporation attacks a district from the time the battle is scheduled to start until 1 hour later it is in a special locked state. As of tomorrows downtime, June 6th, if you are the attacking corporation and you now own the district you can make changes to it, like changing the reinforcement window. For more details on the new change please see this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84690&find=unread Sweet. But while doing all of this, while trying to play this morning...I got disconnected 3 times, ended up in limbo twice and it took an hour and a half to actually do 3 battles. Rebooted 3 times...got stuck between my room and a battle......also seems to be when people have their mics on. Other than that all is good.


CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 23284	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:06:00 - [31] - Quote Her Nibs wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey DUST mercs, When we launched planetary conquest for DUST when corporations conquered a district the district would be in a online-locked state. On Tuesday June 4th along with EVE Online: Odyssey we deployed a change so that when a corporation conquers a district it would be in a online-unlocked state. This actually introduced a defect in which capturing a unoccupied district would become online-locked, instead of online-unlocked like taking someone elses district. We have a fix for this defect ready to go and will be releasing it with the server downtime on June 6th. On top of this however we are also making another change. When a corporation attacks a district from the time the battle is scheduled to start until 1 hour later it is in a special locked state. As of tomorrows downtime, June 6th, if you are the attacking corporation and you now own the district you can make changes to it, like changing the reinforcement window. For more details on the new change please see this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84690&find=unread Sweet. But while doing all of this, while trying to play this morning...I got disconnected 3 times, ended up in limbo twice and it took an hour and a half to actually do 3 battles. Rebooted 3 times...got stuck between my room and a battle......also seems to be when people have their mics on. Other than that all is good. We had some network issues at our London data center. :(

Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 105	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:19:00 - [32] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: We had some network issues at our London data center. :( Fox4, Please Tell me that the High Costs of Non-Owning corps who are Attacking is not due to "Alt-Corps"? Please Please for the sake of Dust514 make it a priority to bring back Mercenary Corp Contract Battles !!!!! then over time work at the "Gladiator" game mode. Right now those MCCB's would help retain and keep interested the player base. "Alt-Corps" better Not be the reason why we don't have MCCB's now !!!! -Thanks
Mr Gloo Gloo What The French CRONOS. 93	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:46:00 - [33] - Quote Tell me that you are working on EU servers.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 649	Posted - 2013.06.08 08:19:00 - [34] - Quote Spyd Quasar wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Spyd Quasar wrote: Great, Keep changing all things possible without solving the problem of lag. Let's see how long the game last. Unnecessarily fixed for you. Dedicate to talk about what you know, you do not know how much lag I have. That you have lag does not mean that I do not have. Speak for yourself and not for others. I'm confused, all I did was add in the word "last" that was left out in a previous comment...
Spyd Quasar Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 21	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:02:00 - [35] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm confused, all I did was add in the word "last" that was left out in a previous comment... No problem. Just need to CCP fix the problem of the lag in PC and you, I and the all dust community will be happy.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 399	Posted - 2013.06.19 13:52:00 - [36] - Quote Seems it is still happening. Outer.Heaven had a battle the other day and the district did not register as a win. Or is this a different bug involving PC?

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 24071	Posted - 2013.06.19 16:08:00 - [37] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Seems it is still happening. Outer.Heaven had a battle the other day and the district did not register as a win. Or is this a different bug involving PC? It is normally best to file a petition about these things to ensure they get seen and include the planet, district, date, and time of the battle. Can you tell me now that above information and also file a petition about it? I will try and get someone to look at it ASAP. :)



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