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Vorshan Tieg
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:26:00 -
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Playing the Academy maps are a horrible tease. Start you off on the same footing as everyone and it goes fairly well.
Start the regular maps and score an average of 0.4 a round. Everyone is using the same weapon, drop uplinks and jeeps. Why is there no tier system for matches and why bother with weapon variation at all? The choices are there to tease you and make you hate life until you train Assault Riffle 5 and can compete. Why is it the only weapon skill with sharpshooter skill? Clearly the game was built for this weapon.
Going from the Academy to facing all the Proto suit/gun/experts is exactly how I wanted to be introduced to this game.
Academy - "Ok, I could get into this game. It's neat." Ambush - "WRONG! Go home n00b!"
High-five to the developers of this game. I'm going home.
I feel bad for the beta players. If this is how it is at release wtf did you guys go through? If you need grief concealing I'm sure CCP will provide. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
774
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:28:00 -
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You know you can quit and cry about it privately. There is no rule stating you have to cry here. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1995
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:28:00 -
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Come back in 6 months or a year, you'll have a crapload of passive sp and the game will hopefully have improved. |
Baldr Grimm
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:29:00 -
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It's a very real problem that everyone's aware of. (the harsh academy/real game transition). What's being done to fix it? It's not exactly clear at the moment.
Come back in a couple months and you'll have a ton of passive SP to mess with, though. |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:29:00 -
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LOL you are not the first nor will you be the last.
I can see about 80% of most new players to this game leaving after the University level. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
401
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:30:00 -
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Hahaha. This isn't the quick casual shooter that you are looking for. You get rewarded for playing more and by playing more you will get skill points and more actual shooter skill.
A week is not enough time to get good and earn some skill points. I suggest making some alt characters until you know what you want well letting your main character get skill points |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1540
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:34:00 -
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Join a corporation. The game sucks without it. Unfortunately CCP can't seem to be bothered to explain this to new players such as yourself.
It's not the proto-suits that are smashing your face in, it's the fact that the guys in proto-suits are actually playing in organized squads. |
True Adamance
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:34:00 -
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It's easy enough to push through the two weeks or so of tough games and make it into the 2-3m SP bracket where things start to open up for you.
Just keep at it mate. This game is far more rewarding than CoD of BF, you will also need to join a corp like PRO or something else where you can find other players to help you out.
However I can see why you are upset. I have a 7m SP toon and went back to basics to make this one. Walked out of Academy with a KD of around 9. Drunken mishaps, proto stomps, and general OMG TANK momments later i'm sitting stably around 3ish.
Its a steep learning curve that essentially forces you to learn a complicated game very quickly and how you adapt to that change in difficulty determines your experience. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1571
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:35:00 -
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This is ridiculous.
The response is the same no matter what, either "lolucried" or "come back when you've got passive SP"
Game is broken as ****, doesn't offer a proper tutorial to teach new players nor is the matchmaking working. Have an alt with 1 million SP, I will never use it again, because you just die and die and die. "Play a support role" so you can die faster and not be very helpful at all.. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
468
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:36:00 -
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If you don't caught up by the lyrics the title works... please do not go! ;) |
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KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:36:00 -
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Welcome to Dust bro that was your initiation lol i love tears |
Aisha Ctarl
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
170
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:38:00 -
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What you should have done is thrown your 500K SP into the Gallente Scout and AR's until you got up to the Duvolle TAR like I did on a just for the lulz alt of mine.
You could have then proceeded to roflstomp all of your fellow newberries and enjoyed easily a 5.0 KDR until you were thrown into the real realm of DUST players (trust me, the newberries can't hit a scout moving at 8 m/s and wielding the TAR).
Once thrown into the matches with the protobears, at least you'd have the TAR to TRY and do some damage. |
Vorshan Tieg
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:39:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:You know you can quit and cry about it privately. There is no rule stating you have to cry here.
lololololol. I love the internet.
There's no rule stating I don't have to cry here or that you have to read it.
So far the advice has been to create other rookie characters to get spanked while I wait to "get good". I'm used to games where players are on fairly equal footing and I perform, generally, slightly above the average.
Having a game get released so we can create characters and then receive advice from the community saying "wait a few months to a year" is silly. Up to a year?!?!?! What kind of business model is that?
If 0.4 IS slightly above average then there is something wrong with these statistics and there are elements here we don't know about. |
bunnywink
Improvise.
267
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:39:00 -
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As a new player, the only way to survive against all the TAC AR players is to spam free LAVs and run over unsuspecting mercs. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
775
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:41:00 -
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Vorshan Tieg wrote:Jin Robot wrote:You know you can quit and cry about it privately. There is no rule stating you have to cry here. lololololol. I love the internet. There's no rule stating I don't have to cry here or that you have to read it. So far the advice has been to create other rookie characters to get spanked while I wait to "get good". I'm used to games where players are on fairly equal footing and I perform, generally, slightly above the average. Having a game get released so we can create characters and then receive advice from the community saying "wait a few months to a year" is silly. Up to a year?!?!?! What kind of business model is that? If 0.4 IS slightly above average then there is something wrong with these statistics and there are elements here we don't know about. I thought you quit...oh yeahlolololol the internet. |
Corpse Raider
Hateocracy2
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:47:00 -
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Every weapon has a counter, you just need to know it. The balancing is currently way out, but here's my take on it...
Free LAV > Proto with tac AR Proto with tac AR > AV Grenadier AV Grenadier > Free LAV
Scissors, paper, stone guys. Adapt or die is true, so start adapting and spam those LAVs, then spam those AV grenades, then when you have enough SP, spam those proto suits with Tac ARs. It costs nothing for a free LAV, it costs about 30k SP and a few ISK to run AV 'nades. You can play this game very early if you have the willingness to do it. I just hate those guys with Tac ARs and AV 'nades. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:48:00 -
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Dude you got great advice passive skill for 30 days come back see what you have for SP and apply where you see fit. Rinse wash repeat for 3 months you will be back bragging how you're killing dudes. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
576
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:53:00 -
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lol to all of you who said I was wrong when I said this fixes nothing. its a band aid and it hurts even more when you remove it. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
107
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:53:00 -
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Vorshan Tieg wrote:Playing the Academy maps are a horrible tease. Start you off on the same footing as everyone and it goes fairly well.
Start the regular maps and score an average of 0.4 a round. Everyone is using the same weapon, drop uplinks and jeeps. Why is there no tier system for matches and why bother with weapon variation at all? The choices are there to tease you and make you hate life until you train Assault Riffle 5 and can compete. Why is it the only weapon skill with sharpshooter skill? Clearly the game was built for this weapon.
Going from the Academy to facing all the Proto suit/gun/experts is exactly how I wanted to be introduced to this game.
Academy - "Ok, I could get into this game. It's neat." Ambush - "WRONG! Go home n00b!"
High-five to the developers of this game. I'm going home.
I feel bad for the beta players. If this is how it is at release wtf did you guys go through? If you need grief concealing I'm sure CCP will provide.
The academy was a great idea, but the 10k WP leaves you far from ready, 7-10 mtaches, 35-50k more SP. This doesn't help.
But you CAN still compete. Stay with the pack, kill steal. My new guy I just started has done very well so far, 2.8ish KDR with under 700kSP. Also running factional warfare always seems a little better. -AR aint the all in all, and is due to be fixed. -"Jeeps" - A situation that does need fixing, but LAV death is avoidable. -Tier systems are great, but still won't let you see whats coming when you get out of its cap.
finally don't play ambush, it's full of nuggets. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:54:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Come back in 6 months or a year, you'll have a crapload of passive sp and the game will hopefully have improved.
thats actually good advice |
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bunnywink
Improvise.
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:55:00 -
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I can't tell if people are trolling or not, but I really don't think passively training for 1-6 month(s) is a reasonable solution... Maybe for an alt. Hell, I have alts passively training, and they have about 3-6 mil SP. But it should not be the solution for how unbalanced the game is for new players vs. vets with 10+ mil SP. :( |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:57:00 -
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ladwar wrote:lol to all of you who said I was wrong when I said this fixes nothing. its a band aid and it hurts even more when you remove it.
i frequently play my sub 1m sp alts when my main is capped. they do fine. I'm guessing you're just not that great at videogames. if a couple of 5% bonuses here and there get you stomped, maybe it's not the SP system that sucks. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1541
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Posted - 2013.06.03 19:58:00 -
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Vorshan Tieg wrote:Jin Robot wrote:You know you can quit and cry about it privately. There is no rule stating you have to cry here. lololololol. I love the internet. There's no rule stating I don't have to cry here or that you have to read it. So far the advice has been to create other rookie characters to get spanked while I wait to "get good". I'm used to games where players are on fairly equal footing and I perform, generally, slightly above the average. Having a game get released so we can create characters and then receive advice from the community saying "wait a few months to a year" is silly. Up to a year?!?!?! What kind of business model is that? If 0.4 IS slightly above average then there is something wrong with these statistics and there are elements here we don't know about.
Again, if you're not in a corporation, you haven't played Dust 514 yet. Get in a corp, run with a squad. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
577
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:01:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:ladwar wrote:lol to all of you who said I was wrong when I said this fixes nothing. its a band aid and it hurts even more when you remove it. i frequently play my sub 1m sp alts when my main is capped. they do fine. I'm guessing you're just not that great at videogames. if a couple of 5% bonuses here and there get you stomped, maybe it's not the SP system that sucks. you won't get better without sp but sp alone doesn't make you better, you need to see all the tactics and lets face the people who have played it from a while come up with better tactics then new players so the Academy actually hurts new players when that band aid is jerked off. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
375
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:03:00 -
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Trust me, i feel you pain.. i started a new alt to try the academy, and how you are overwhelmed once you leave, is just plaint ridiculous. But honestly, i don't think CCP give a kitten about it, that is the impression i get anyway... I hope you didn't wasted any cash in AUR, and sorry to see you go. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2222
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:08:00 -
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2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard? |
Templar Renegade19
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:10:00 -
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Vorshan Tieg wrote:Playing the Academy maps are a horrible tease. Start you off on the same footing as everyone and it goes fairly well.
Start the regular maps and score an average of 0.4 a round. Everyone is using the same weapon, drop uplinks and jeeps. Why is there no tier system for matches and why bother with weapon variation at all? The choices are there to tease you and make you hate life until you train Assault Riffle 5 and can compete. Why is it the only weapon skill with sharpshooter skill? Clearly the game was built for this weapon.
Going from the Academy to facing all the Proto suit/gun/experts is exactly how I wanted to be introduced to this game.
Academy - "Ok, I could get into this game. It's neat." Ambush - "WRONG! Go home n00b!"
High-five to the developers of this game. I'm going home.
I feel bad for the beta players. If this is how it is at release wtf did you guys go through? If you need grief concealing I'm sure CCP will provide.
STARTER FIT: Assault MEDIC.
Use nearby turrets to destroy other turrets for +100 destroyed= more SP and follow team mates for either REVIVES=more SP or use a MILITIA repair tool for more SP.
Gee thats sooooo complicated for some folks used to call of dumberry games. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1542
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:11:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard?
How the hell would he know? He's only played the game for a week.
a militia only mode would just mean that squads would get together and pubstomp in militia gear. I don't see how it would solve the actual problem of CCP not explaining to players that they NEED to be in squads and using mics. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2222
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:11:00 -
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Troll harder on your Templar alt :p
@Baal It gives them somewhere to find people with mics, maybe a corp they can chat with, and it would also make a great recruiting ground.
A week is enough time to decide if the game is worth playing. It took exactly 10 minutes of getting my arse handed to me on MAG to know I'd play it for years :D |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
579
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:14:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard? im actually waiting for PvE.. PvP that doesn't work or have any reason gets dull. plus the MLT only would take longer to make then a good tutorial which is needed because the front loaded text based one blows and only cover a small amount of the game. |
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Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
375
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:40:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard? How the hell would he know? He's only played the game for a week. a militia only mode would just mean that squads would get together and pubstomp in militia gear. I don't see how it would solve the actual problem of CCP not explaining to players that they NEED to be in squads and using mics.
Someone needs to explain to you guys, that " Lone Wolf " is a genuine way to play a game. Some people don't have a mic, or they don't speak English very well, or they just simply don't like talking when they play games. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
357
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:47:00 -
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My 12 year old son thinks it is a fun game, he had no problems and never complains to me about anything DUST related. I just don't see how it is so difficult for grown people to play a game. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:52:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:Welcome to Dust bro that was your initiation lol i love tears
Sociopath. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
376
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:53:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:My 12 year old son thinks it is a fun game, he had no problems and never complains to me about anything DUST related. I just don't see how it is so difficult for grown people to play a game.
A 12 years old is just happy that is allow to play a Shooting game ( Shame on you )...grown ups normally have higher expectations. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
777
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:54:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard? How the hell would he know? He's only played the game for a week. a militia only mode would just mean that squads would get together and pubstomp in militia gear. I don't see how it would solve the actual problem of CCP not explaining to players that they NEED to be in squads and using mics. Someone needs to explain to you guys, that " Lone Wolf " is a genuine way to play a game. Some people don't have a mic, or they don't speak English very well, or they just simply don't like talking when they play games. This is not a "lone wolf" game. You are free to play it that way, but dont expect sympathy when it doesnt work out and you cry about it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:54:00 -
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New player experience in DUST is **** |
KING SALASI
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:57:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:My 12 year old son thinks it is a fun game, he had no problems and never complains to me about anything DUST related. I just don't see how it is so difficult for grown people to play a game.
My son is 13 same boat dude is a pro, but adults struggle i don't get it lol. |
Vorshan Tieg
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:58:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard?
A militia only mode would be fine. At least this way it would be skill and tactics alone that matter instead of how much sp has been farmed. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
376
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:59:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:2 questions for the original poster.
1.) Would a militia only mode or 2 (skirmish & ambush) provide a suitable area AFTER the academy?
2.) Would PvE, even in an extremely basic form, keep you aboard? How the hell would he know? He's only played the game for a week. a militia only mode would just mean that squads would get together and pubstomp in militia gear. I don't see how it would solve the actual problem of CCP not explaining to players that they NEED to be in squads and using mics. Someone needs to explain to you guys, that " Lone Wolf " is a genuine way to play a game. Some people don't have a mic, or they don't speak English very well, or they just simply don't like talking when they play games. This is not a "lone wolf" game. You are free to play it that way, but dont expect sympathy when it doesnt work out and you cry about it.
Who says it doesn't work ? I actually have alot more fun playing at my own phase. I help everyone in my team, not just the corp members... you guys will be lost, without the " Lone Wolf ". The guys that deploys up-links in clever places, and hacks that important base, that changes the full battle around. |
DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
339
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:59:00 -
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Vorshan Tieg wrote:I feel bad for the beta players. If this is how it is at release wtf did you guys go through? If you need grief concealing I'm sure CCP will provide. Actually, I think Uprising made it worse. |
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