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Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1836	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:28:00 - [1] - Quote Introduce militia AV grenades. On starter fits if possible. The issue is an LAV can be used with any fit, but a swarm or forge requires dedicating everything towards only one enemy. Until you hit grenade 1, there is not a lot you can do to be both combat effective and have defenses against free lavs. The ease and lack of risk in roadkilling is the root issue, but this would be a nice simple bandaid that could literally be implemented overnight.
dabest2evadoit7 Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord 66	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:31:00 - [2] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Introduce militia AV grenades. On starter fits if possible. The issue is an LAV can be used with any fit, but a swarm or forge requires dedicating everything towards only one enemy. Until you hit grenade 1, there is not a lot you can do to be both combat effective and have defenses against free lavs. The ease and lack of risk in roadkilling is the root issue, but this would be a nice simple bandaid that could literally be implemented overnight. Sounds good, but standard a/v grenades do nothing as it stands now. So I am not sure how militia a/v grenades will help.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 354	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:32:00 - [3] - Quote It's easier to just remove free LAVs.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1836	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:32:00 - [4] - Quote dabest2evadoit7 wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Introduce militia AV grenades. On starter fits if possible. The issue is an LAV can be used with any fit, but a swarm or forge requires dedicating everything towards only one enemy. Until you hit grenade 1, there is not a lot you can do to be both combat effective and have defenses against free lavs. The ease and lack of risk in roadkilling is the root issue, but this would be a nice simple bandaid that could literally be implemented overnight. Sounds good, but standard a/v grenades do nothing as it stands now. So I am not sure how militia a/v grenades will help. They are a deterrent at least and give players some response besides playing matador. Band-aid, not fix.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1836	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:33:00 - [5] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: It's easier to just remove free LAVs. It's not the free part of the lavs that is the problem.
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 658	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:34:00 - [6] - Quote I agree with Noc. At a minimum the AV starter fit should, you know, have AV kit. Duh.
dabest2evadoit7 Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord 66	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:36:00 - [7] - Quote Either a/v's need a buffed or lav's need to be nerfed. Well the militia one for sure.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 187	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:38:00 - [8] - Quote AV is already OP, grenades aren't AV, stop being lazy and use a weapon.
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 659	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:39:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV is already OP, grenades aren't AV, stop being lazy and use a weapon. Huh?AV grenades aren't AV? Ok.
dabest2evadoit7 Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord 66	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:41:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV is already OP, grenades aren't AV, stop being lazy and use a weapon. So what are they? I don't know what made me think they were. Oh, it might have to do with the fact that their call "Anti Vehicle" grenades.

Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1836	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:42:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV is already OP, grenades aren't AV, stop being lazy and use a weapon. So I should give up all self defense against vehicles unless I have the SP to spare in grenades (this is mostly a concern for new players who get the wrong idea from the starter fit; I in fact do have AV grenades on all my characters) while the LAV driver gives up none of his basic combat utility? The roadkill needs balanced, but some more no SP tools to at least have some ability to respond is very important in the immediate term IMO.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1642	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:43:00 - [12] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: I agree with Noc. At a minimum the AV starter fit should, you know, have AV kit. Duh. And nano-hive FFS!
Corn In TheSkidmark Backstabbers N Cheaters Union 123	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:45:00 - [13] - Quote Give the noobs a set amount of LAVs to get started with, after they are used up and they have to purchase them, there will be less spam. But a small starter amount would allow them to try them out and build funds until they can get some isk built up.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1836	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:48:00 - [14] - Quote Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: Give the noobs a set amount of LAVs to get started with, after they are used up and they have to purchase them, there will be less spam. But a small starter amount would allow them to try them out and build funds until they can get some isk built up. The issue is not the free LAVs, they merely compound the problem. The lack of equivalent tools (things that don't gimp your fit but protect your personal space) is a severe imbalance that can be rectified promptly.
dabest2evadoit7 Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord 66	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:49:00 - [15] - Quote Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: Give the noobs a set amount of LAVs to get started with, after they are used up and they have to purchase them, there will be less spam. But a small starter amount would allow them to try them out and build funds until they can get some isk built up. Not a bad idea. Would not mind seeing this option tested.
Corn In TheSkidmark Backstabbers N Cheaters Union 123	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:57:00 - [16] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: Give the noobs a set amount of LAVs to get started with, after they are used up and they have to purchase them, there will be less spam. But a small starter amount would allow them to try them out and build funds until they can get some isk built up. The issue is not the free LAVs, they merely compound the problem. The lack of equivalent tools (things that don't gimp your fit but protect your personal space) is a severe imbalance that can be rectified promptly. You want to be able to have your cake and eat it to. Have someone in your squad that is AV, have AV yourself, or stick to cover. I just don't see some serious issue here other than some people get butt hurt over getting run over. I think it adds to the game, you gotta watch your back, it's your own fault if you get nailed
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1837	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:00:00 - [17] - Quote Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: Give the noobs a set amount of LAVs to get started with, after they are used up and they have to purchase them, there will be less spam. But a small starter amount would allow them to try them out and build funds until they can get some isk built up. The issue is not the free LAVs, they merely compound the problem. The lack of equivalent tools (things that don't gimp your fit but protect your personal space) is a severe imbalance that can be rectified promptly. You want to be able to have your cake and eat it to. Have someone in your squad that is AV, have AV yourself, or stick to cover. I just don't see some serious issue here other than some people get butt hurt over getting run over. I think it adds to the game, you gotta watch your back, it's your own fault if you get nailed As Marie-Th+¬r+¿se professed, "Let them eat cake!".
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:13:00 - [18] - Quote i would prefer that they make the mlt lav bpo a scrub academy item only...upon leaving the scrubberry the new players infinte baloch should become limited. and then eventually disappear or revert to mlt isk equivalencies so they can pay to restock it. there should be a mlt av nade for everyone ...this also help scrub in academy its a murder taxi fest over there lolz. also .....i think upon impacting a heavy ..the lav should take damage...for example i go ona pedestrian run over spree...they're bodies dent my lav....if a heavy can tank his hp...over a mlt bpo lav...hp and have enough afterwards to suvive the extra explosion dmg....also i believe a specc heavy would has resistances ...he should survive. when a proto heavy get run over by my proto charybdis it really wouldnt matter ...as i have my resistances to counter his and way more hp. but a scrub lav would be screwed...if an lav charges through a group of five suits and hes mlt...he should take impact dmg relevant to the total hp he just hit. counting resistances. this will also push more people to spec LAV in all other aspects i absolutely love lavs ccp good job. they are by far the most balanced vehicle so far. and vehicles are as im sure u know the area dust 514 sucks most in atm and for most of its production solid work and improvment from both the closed beta and chromosome awesome. i think you should enter some new control types for the control junkies but ive adapted and i love it.
Corn In TheSkidmark Backstabbers N Cheaters Union 123	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:19:00 - [19] - Quote ImpureMort wrote: i would prefer that they make the mlt lav bpo a scrub academy item only...upon leaving the scrubberry the new players infinte baloch should become limited. and then eventually disappear or revert to mlt isk equivalencies so they can pay to restock it. there should be a mlt av nade for everyone ...this also help scrub in academy its a murder taxi fest over there lolz. also .....i think upon impacting a heavy ..the lav should take damage...for example i go ona pedestrian run over spree...they're bodies dent my lav....if a heavy can tank his hp...over a mlt bpo lav...hp and have enough afterwards to suvive the extra explosion dmg....also i believe a specc heavy would has resistances ...he should survive. when a proto heavy get run over by my proto charybdis it really wouldnt matter ...as i have my resistances to counter his and way more hp. but a scrub lav would be screwed...if an lav charges through a group of five suits and hes mlt...he should take impact dmg relevant to the total hp he just hit. counting resistances. this will also push more people to spec LAV in all other aspects i absolutely love lavs ccp good job. they are by far the most balanced vehicle so far. and vehicles are as im sure u know the area dust 514 sucks most in atm and for most of its production solid work and improvment from both the closed beta and chromosome awesome. i think you should enter some new control types for the control junkies but ive adapted and i love it. Some good ideas here that I can agree with
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:31:00 - [20] - Quote Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: ImpureMort wrote: i would prefer that they make the mlt lav bpo a scrub academy item only...upon leaving the scrubberry the new players infinte baloch should become limited. and then eventually disappear or revert to mlt isk equivalencies so they can pay to restock it. there should be a mlt av nade for everyone ...this also help scrub in academy its a murder taxi fest over there lolz. also .....i think upon impacting a heavy ..the lav should take damage...for example i go ona pedestrian run over spree...they're bodies dent my lav....if a heavy can tank his hp...over a mlt bpo lav...hp and have enough afterwards to suvive the extra explosion dmg....also i believe a specc heavy would has resistances ...he should survive. when a proto heavy get run over by my proto charybdis it really wouldnt matter ...as i have my resistances to counter his and way more hp. but a scrub lav would be screwed...if an lav charges through a group of five suits and hes mlt...he should take impact dmg relevant to the total hp he just hit. counting resistances. this will also push more people to spec LAV in all other aspects i absolutely love lavs ccp good job. they are by far the most balanced vehicle so far. and vehicles are as im sure u know the area dust 514 sucks most in atm and for most of its production solid work and improvment from both the closed beta and chromosome awesome. i think you should enter some new control types for the control junkies but ive adapted and i love it. Some good ideas here that I can agree with thank you ..so think about this a charybdis ..sees 10 proto assualt suits...they were all completely stupid and did not put av nades on they're suits they are all rocking core locuses period...charybdis charges...but the total hp of all they're suits one by one adds up to more hp than poor chary has boom oh no one had av nades boom. ...my charybdis has close to 50% resistances from my math...i dunno what the proto suits can has maxed...but mine has 2800 hp shield and like 1 k armor. can i hear 3 proto heavies oops one has av nades in clusters equivalent lvl suits would be an extreme gamble for lavs to road kill or not to road kill that is the question :)

IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 116	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:36:00 - [21] - Quote Someone in my corp suggested the LAV should take damage equal to the HP (or a fraction thereof) of the dropsuit hit. Those Caldari's would mess up an Onikuma Impact, and I know heavies with more HP than some of those freebies. Imagine getting hit by an LAV, and the thing just explodes... with the heavy walking out of the wreckage. = )
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:41:00 - [22] - Quote a armor repper and shield transporter turrent for logi lavs would be great....give us different kinds we can spec into ..change the turrent slot on logi lav to logi turrents only. make the personnel shield transporter automatic and computer controled make it target dire need first. give logi lav users and extended skill tree that enhances the range. number of beams as well as over all capabilities of said repper as well as for the turrent. no skill of multiple beems on logi turrents that would be absurd ..but maybe give us a turrent that can split the beem two way ..proto really expensive isk wise. scout lavs need a base speed boost and no turrent slot. also a scout lav should be able to have someone standing in the back and if they have a light weapon they should be able to fire it. ..i feel this would make the lav specialization more specific to their purpose and not just all around murder taxi's
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:42:00 - [23] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Someone in my corp suggested the LAV should take damage equal to the HP (or a fraction thereof) of the dropsuit hit. Those Caldari's would mess up an Onikuma Impact, and I know heavies with more HP than some of those freebies. Imagine getting hit by an LAV, and the thing just explodes... with the heavy walking out of the wreckage. = ) exactly :) a mlt lav running over a proto heavy would be a marvelous sight of course if the peole in the lav then hop out with shotguns and smg's muwahahaha
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 522	Posted - 2013.06.01 08:46:00 - [24] - Quote I would like to be able to punch vehicles to death. Like, a well timed punch just brings a speeding LAV to a screeching halt and deals out some damage as it wraps around me like a Cavalier smacking into a telephone pole. I then rip my way out of the remains and curb stomp the occupants and mail jewelry made from their broken their teeth to their families. Let me live my dreams, CCP.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 187	Posted - 2013.06.01 09:32:00 - [25] - Quote dabest2evadoit7 wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV is already OP, grenades aren't AV, stop being lazy and use a weapon. So what are they? I don't know what made me think they were. Oh, it might have to do with the fact that their call "Anti Vehicle" grenades. AV grenades aren't something you're meant to solo vehicles with. That's why it takes more than one proto to take out a MLT LAV. Barring some additional buffs AV is finally showing a semblance of investment > reward > risk. Grenades are too low of an SP/ISK investment for what you guys want them to be capable of. Last build, they diminished any reason to spec into an AV light weapon. Now, you actually have to use a light weapon to get results and the AV role is more viable than it once was. There are actually more people specced into swarms and the lol plasma cannon because they get the job done. I have a designated AV guy in my squad and we have 0 problem with murder taxis and he goes 15/0 just from popping LAVs or any other vehicle on the field. Stop crying about LAVs and invest in their effective counter. Someone in another thread mentioned the idea that this is a trial before they bring back the Segaris and Surya. If true, GL with using just AV grenades then. You'll just be another rock crying about paper being OP because you're too lazy to run with scissors.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 805	Posted - 2013.06.01 10:25:00 - [26] - Quote AV needs to be buffed in the same way my LLAV needs spikes extending from the wheels and two HMGs pointing forward to mow down people who're jumping.
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 28	Posted - 2013.06.01 11:23:00 - [27] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV grenades aren't something you're meant to solo vehicles with. That's why it takes more than one proto to take out a MLT LAV. What!? Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV grenades aren't something you're meant to solo vehicles with. That's why it takes more than one militia to take out a ProtoLAV. fixed that for you
Oha Yo Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 68	Posted - 2013.06.01 12:19:00 - [28] - Quote militia av is not the answer here, how hard can it be to skill up 1 lvl of grenadier? vehicles in general are not op either, it's those damn llavs - i find myself kinda frustrated when i throw 3 lai dais and the thing still has 1/3 of armor, and when i throw another one and it explodes on the friking head of the lav, and it doesnt take any damage, but it takes out me. this is broken. it's easier to kill a gunnlogi than an llav - what's wrong in this picture?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 445	Posted - 2013.06.01 13:13:00 - [29] - Quote It shouldn't be easy to use grenades against a fast moving target like a LAV... as it can easily turn or out distance the weapon much of the time. I'm definitely in favor of some damage every time a suit is struck. If I'm driving down the road and hit a deer, much less something bigger, there will certainly be damage. Given it's an armored vehicle I don't think any single suit should destroy it -- but an "accident" induced skid or roll could end up leading to it's destruction. These things definitely need to take damage when they flip over.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 192	Posted - 2013.06.01 13:17:00 - [30] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Introduce militia AV grenades. On starter fits if possible. The issue is an LAV can be used with any fit, but a swarm or forge requires dedicating everything towards only one enemy. Until you hit grenade 1, there is not a lot you can do to be both combat effective and have defenses against free lavs. The ease and lack of risk in roadkilling is the root issue, but this would be a nice simple bandaid that could literally be implemented overnight. people should skill into grenade 1, its like 36k SP. you can get that in a day even if you are capped.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3185	Posted - 2013.06.01 13:22:00 - [31] - Quote The current Assault - Anti-Armor [Starter Fit] loadout. An Assault suit. Fine. This is a good option. A Swarm Launcher. Also fine, although it would be interesting if they balanced the Plasma Launcher better and gave that to Minmatar and Gallente players instead. Possibly not ideal, however, since it's a more skill-based weapon rather than a suitable "beginner" AV weapon. Scrambler Pistol. See my comment about a skill-based weapon being inappropriate? Yeah... this was a bad choice of sidearm, and I don't know any legit AV-focused players who would seriously prefer the Pistol over having a rapid-fire option with a large magazine. Locus grenades. If you gave new players the SMG instead of a Pistol, we wouldn't be relying on anti-personnel grenades to try and survive.
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 90	Posted - 2013.06.01 13:30:00 - [32] - Quote AV grenades should be on Starter AV fits. Free LAVs have found a way to ruin the game. Free LAVs should be incapable of causing damage. Free LAVs should not have a turret, as they should be for transport only. Turret Ops skill should be required to board anybody's turret.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 198	Posted - 2013.06.01 13:33:00 - [33] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV grenades aren't something you're meant to solo vehicles with. That's why it takes more than one proto to take out a MLT LAV. What!? Cosgar's Alt wrote: AV grenades aren't something you're meant to solo vehicles with. That's why it takes more than one militia to take out a ProtoLAV. fixed that for you I'm sorry, you lost me. What kind of half assed point were you trying to make?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1846	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:20:00 - [34] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Introduce militia AV grenades. On starter fits if possible. The issue is an LAV can be used with any fit, but a swarm or forge requires dedicating everything towards only one enemy. Until you hit grenade 1, there is not a lot you can do to be both combat effective and have defenses against free lavs. The ease and lack of risk in roadkilling is the root issue, but this would be a nice simple bandaid that could literally be implemented overnight. people should skill into grenade 1, its like 36k SP. you can get that in a day even if you are capped. Not everyone is a veteran. Many don't even know how useful doing that would be for LAV defense.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 222	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:23:00 - [35] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: AV grenades should be on Starter AV fits. Free LAVs have found a way to ruin the game. Free LAVs should be incapable of causing damage. Free LAVs should not have a turret, as they should be for transport only. Turret Ops skill should be required to board anybody's turret. Lol at all your suggestions oh yea a 4 ton car sholdent be able to run you over lol about av nade starter fits. Skill into av or quit complaining.
jdwalk-04 New Eden's Most Wanted Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2013.06.01 17:38:00 - [36] - Quote I'm just annoyed at the amount of people that get into LAVs, and roll around running people over, showing no skill whatsoever. Specifically the LLAVs, those vehicles are a pain in the ass, no pun intended.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 105	Posted - 2013.06.01 18:19:00 - [37] - Quote Free LAV's --- Not the issue. A better fix would be to make the lav take the damage of the person they hit. (shield and HP, so hitting a full proto heavy, will grape the LAV) Also put a max of 3 free lav's per user, per match. with a 2 minute cooldown period after loosing one. Another idea: reducing the points gained from 50 to 25 would be good, and only counting the impacts as asists, due to the car doing the killing not the player.
EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 53	Posted - 2013.06.01 18:29:00 - [38] - Quote Sorry to say this noobs, but you suck balls if you think lavs are op.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 81	Posted - 2013.06.01 18:32:00 - [39] - Quote LAV players are as useless as snipers , they dont capture objectives. If you have a lot of them on your team you dont win the match .
EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 53	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:01:00 - [40] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: LAV players are as useless as snipers , they dont capture objectives. If you have a lot of them on your team you dont win the match . Yeah except when were passing all u walkers by on the way to the first objective.......its the people who DONT use lavs who are useless

S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 82	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:02:00 - [41] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: LAV players are as useless as snipers , they dont capture objectives. If you have a lot of them on your team you dont win the match . Yeah except when were passing all u walkers by on the way to the first objective.......its the people who DONT use lavs who are useless im sorry but i eat dropships and tanks for breakfast , LAV's are just snakcs
mollerz Minja Scouts 352	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:08:00 - [42] - Quote A good LAV pilot can disrupt a good cohesive squad and seriously ruin their mojo. Where an organized proto squad is taking on an objective and wiping out the blueberries, a good LAV pilot can stop the whole assault in it's tracks. Run over their logi first... they will have to run for their lives tossing AV nades and breaking formation. Meanwhile, the blueberries can regroup and start shooting down the protos who are busy with a monster LAV ripping around. My fit- Blood Raider Saga 2x [REDACTED] 3x [REDACTED] It's boss.com
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 82	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:09:00 - [43] - Quote mollerz wrote: A good LAV pilot can disrupt a good cohesive squad and seriously ruin their mojo. Where an organized proto squad is taking on an objective and wiping out the blueberries, a good LAV pilot can stop the whole assault in it's tracks. Run over their logi first... they will have to run for their lives tossing AV nades and breaking formation. Meanwhile, the blueberries can regroup and start shooting down the protos who are busy with a monster LAV ripping around. My fit- Blood Raider Saga 2x [REDACTED] 3x [REDACTED] It's boss.com cool story bro
Madagascan Eagle 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:30:00 - [44] - Quote Have LAVs show up on your radar more efficiently. That way at least you can dodge them easier.
mollerz Minja Scouts 354	Posted - 2013.06.01 21:44:00 - [45] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: cool story bro Every time someone says that, I think to myself, "Mollerz, now there is someone who has no creative spark. They repeat something somebody else a lot cooler than them originally said over and over like it impresses others to the extent it obviously did them." Then with a chuckle I round bin any further thought on the matter. Thanks for taking the time to post, however. Good day to you, sir.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 183	Posted - 2013.06.01 22:04:00 - [46] - Quote Quote: Quick fix for the LAV issue Do nothing. no nerf no buff to other items...do nothng and let the LAV do what it is doing. God mode players being carried by their 10 million SP need to be run over when they run around in the open and otherwise playing horribly.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 114	Posted - 2013.06.01 22:08:00 - [47] - Quote AV grenades need a nerf if you see how they get used against HAVs and you get a free Swarm launcher fit anyway. That's more effective at taking down the free LAVs than any AV grenades. So giving people free fits with AV grenades would only exacerbate the problem with AV grenades versus HAVs. Also, SL and FG both have militia grade versions. No skilling needed to use them. They're both better against LAVs.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1799	Posted - 2013.06.01 22:10:00 - [48] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Introduce militia AV grenades. On starter fits if possible. The issue is an LAV can be used with any fit, but a swarm or forge requires dedicating everything towards only one enemy. Until you hit grenade 1, there is not a lot you can do to be both combat effective and have defenses against free lavs. The ease and lack of risk in roadkilling is the root issue, but this would be a nice simple bandaid that could literally be implemented overnight. I would still say make the LAV take damage equal to or at least half that of the suit they run over. That way you can get at most 2 roadkills before you weaken yourself to the point that it's easier to kill you.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1509	Posted - 2013.06.01 22:14:00 - [49] - Quote Here's a novel idea, how about players that are irritated by the LAVs ...oh i dunno... skill into some AV gear? I mean, the game is unarguably sort of awful, but if you're going to play it, at least play it.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 89	Posted - 2013.06.01 22:22:00 - [50] - Quote mollerz wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: cool story bro Every time someone says that, I think to myself, "Mollerz, now there is someone who has no creative spark. They repeat something somebody else a lot cooler than them originally said over and over like it impresses others to the extent it obviously did them." Then with a chuckle I round bin any further thought on the matter. Thanks for taking the time to post, however. Good day to you, sir. cool story bro

mollerz Minja Scouts 357	Posted - 2013.06.02 00:36:00 - [51] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: mollerz wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: cool story bro Every time someone says that, I think to myself, "Mollerz, now there is someone who has no creative spark. They repeat something somebody else a lot cooler than them originally said over and over like it impresses others to the extent it obviously did them." Then with a chuckle I round bin any further thought on the matter. Thanks for taking the time to post, however. Good day to you, sir. cool story bro lol. u irritated homey? got any stories :)? Or do you sit in the corner with your solid snakeling rolling your eyes all day?
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming EoN. 110	Posted - 2013.06.02 01:19:00 - [52] - Quote My quick fix for LAVs would be easy. No more than 1000HP for a default militia LAV. This means they can be one-shot by all AV. Want more survivability? Add decent mods and/or get a better LAV.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.06.02 01:26:00 - [53] - Quote they exsist they are called swarm really man it takes like 5 matches worth of sp to get av nades stop bitching and spec av or deal with it god ******* damn whiners
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 139	Posted - 2013.06.02 01:55:00 - [54] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Someone in my corp suggested the LAV should take damage equal to the HP (or a fraction thereof) of the dropsuit hit. Those Caldari's would mess up an Onikuma Impact, and I know heavies with more HP than some of those freebies. Imagine getting hit by an LAV, and the thing just explodes... with the heavy walking out of the wreckage. = ) 1000 times no


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