CCP has too many fanboys that surround them with praise.
Why would they fix it if the players say its awesome?

Damn kool aid drinkers.

thought this was a very good read.

explain the problem with aiming mechanics, i see people say that but they are never specific about what needs improving. it "doesnt feel right" tells the devs nothing.

It is not smooth. Guns feel like there is a bubble around enemies where it fights to stay on the target while down sights.

You left out aiming/mechanics and this is one of the biggest complaints ive seen from reviewers and new players alike.... How come?

see this doesnt make sense to me. I played both MAG, BoPs and BF3 and I dont feel like this at all.

could it be in your head or a result of the lag and low framerate?

CCP has too many fanboys that surround them with praise.
Why would they fix it if the players say its awesome?

Damn kool aid drinkers.

Gunplay is terrible in Dust.

COD is an unfair comparison because it runs at a wondrous 60 FPS with no compromise; the only thing they've consistently gotten right. Controls and aiming are tight, responsive, and barring lag what you want to make happen happens.

BF is a closer one due to the 30 FPS. DICE have experience in the field however, especially with Mirrors Edge under their belts so they know how to make it work. While there's a minor input delay with the sticks, aiming is fluid and has the proper amount of "weight" to it, meaning with minor practice you can get it to do exactly what you want to with little thought. Your brain notices the differences and adjusts quickly.

I played MAG for all of 5 minutes so WHATEVER

Dust however feels all wrong. While I'm getting used to it, its been an uphill battle. Even at max sensitivity your avatar seems to turn like he weighs 900 lbs underwater, HOWEVER when trying to keep on a target its like every adjustment is too much in any direction. ADS is completely wrong, with terrain altering weapon placement on screen but not your targetting (I think?). Movement in ADS is even more sluggish, even with a mouse, so once your target moves you have to deal with the overcompinsation, the slow movement, and a moving target. ive had more luck hipfiring. Not to mention the options menu has aim assist listened in it yet I have not been able to track down what aim assist is actually DOING. In any console FPS you will notice a minor tracking for a moment to help you acquire a target. It let's you notice hostiles you dont see right away or tracks a mock g target across your view. In Dust, it feels like old PC FPS' in that there's nothing. You do all the work. Which is painful on a controller and more painful in a game where its so absurdly hard to stay on target .

I can try to be clearer if need be; the mechanics in place are difficult but not in a gameplay "you need to learn guns and recoil and distance drop and blah blah" say....just difficult in a "this system sucks" way.

And while we're at it can we get a visual indicator of what counts as out of range for your weapon? I got a good laugh earlier as I flanked an enemy position and found two guys near dead with no shields and I emptied my clip at them before going "my god they are so close to me but this stupid cheap gun literally can't reach that far". I know why there's range limits but communicate it to the player! Its the future for god's sake, if you can have inter galactic space travel you can have a distance calculator on a HUD!

CCP has too many fanboys that surround them with praise.
Why would they fix it if the players say its awesome?

Damn kool aid drinkers.

^this.

this sucks/i hate this/whining serves no purpose. Be descriptive.

well yeah dust sucks! but it's core is amazing, it can be fixxed!

I'm an EVE fanboy and even I see the issues with this game. Don't just point the finger at all EVE players as the source of the problem. We all know something stinks about Dust 514 whether some of us want to admit it or not. If EVE had problems we have it wouldn't be where it is right now. Both sides of the community need to stop blaming each other and look a the real source of the problem

While I'm getting used to it, its been an uphill battle. Even at max sensitivity your avatar seems to turn like he weighs 900 lbs underwater, HOWEVER when trying to keep on a target its like every adjustment is too much in any direction. ADS is completely wrong, with terrain altering weapon placement on screen but not your targetting (I think?). Movement in ADS is even more sluggish, even with a mouse, so once your target moves you have to deal with the overcompinsation, the slow movement, and a moving target. ive had more luck hipfiring. Not to mention the options menu has aim assist listened in it yet I have not been able to track down what aim assist is actually DOING. In any console FPS you will notice a minor tracking for a moment to help you acquire a target. It let's you notice hostiles you dont see right away or tracks a mock g target across your view. In Dust, it feels like old PC FPS' in that there's nothing. You do all the work. Which is painful on a controller and more painful in a game where its so absurdly hard to stay on target .

I can try to be clearer if need be; the mechanics in place are difficult but not in a gameplay "you need to learn guns and recoil and distance drop and blah blah" say....just difficult in a "this system sucks" way.

And while we're at it can we get a visual indicator of what counts as out of range for your weapon? I got a good laugh earlier as I flanked an enemy position and found two guys near dead with no shields and I emptied my clip at them before going "my god they are so close to me but this stupid cheap gun literally can't reach that far". I know why there's range limits but communicate it to the player! Its the future for god's sake, if you can have inter galactic space travel you can have a distance calculator on a HUD!

The sensitivity curve is a straight line, a constant slope with a flat line dead spot in the center.

\_/

The only option you have is the slope of the line.

If you want fast movement on the edges you are forced to have a sharp transition from dead nothing to a bunch, making sall adjustments very difficult.

If you want slow movement in the center you must accept slow movement at max stick travel.


The curve needs to be an actual curve with a slow smooth transition from nothing to something, then a steeper curve as it moves outward.

CCP is finally experimenting with this, but reports that it isn't easy to predict how much stick displacement is needed to track a target. So there is some hope that we may eventually have smooth ADS and decent turning speed.

Trying to explain all of the things that are bad with Dust 514 is a daunting task. I think most reviewers probably have a hard time figuring out where to start. It's easier to simply say "it's bad" and move on.

You left out aiming/mechanics and this is one of the biggest complaints ive seen from reviewers and new players alike.... How come?

Trying to program a game on a 10 year old engine, while being the first time you've ever used said engine, and having to recode all the data you've constructed from the get-go to work with said engine, is a daunting task.

Until Dust 514 hits PS4 and they can use their self built Carbon engine (since if they used it on the weak ps3, it would have caused your console to melt), this game is and will always be in beta, regardless of PR proclamations.

Thinking otherwise is simply self induced ignorance.

He said fanboys nothing about Eve in that post at all.

If the complainers could just put things into terms more descriptive than "this sucks" and "I hate this" and other ridiculous whiny crap CCP might actually have something they could listen to.

Additionally, I don't think CCP is listening to any group in particular, as there is something bothering just about everyone. Or, have you been so self-absorbed with your own particular concern that you hadn't noticed?

Damned selfish haters.

Many examples of the many many issues have been pounded into these threads for nearly a month now? What are you even saying? This sucks and I hate this? Your blind. We have made countless threads explaining the bugs that are crippling the game.
You say CCP is not listening to any groups? What? CPM do they count? I hope CCP listens to the groups who are commenting on the many many broken bug threads that litter the feedback section.

You sir are the poster child for fanboi

Fanboys or not, people vote with their cash. I like this game, but I am not "investing" any more into it until its fixed.

And if any people above me have bought boosters or packs. Well, you are hypocrites.

I'm an EVE fanboy and even I see the issues with this game. Don't just point the finger at all EVE players as the source of the problem. We all know something stinks about Dust 514 whether some of us want to admit it or not. If EVE had problems we have it wouldn't be where it is right now. Both sides of the community need to stop blaming each other and look a the real source of the problem

Dust fanboys.
I'm a CCP fanboy from the EVE side ^_^

Many examples of the many many issues have been pounded into these threads for nearly a month now? What are you even saying? This sucks and I hate this? Your blind. We have made countless threads explaining the bugs that are crippling the game.
You say CCP is not listening to any groups? What? CPM do they count? I hope CCP listens to the groups who are commenting on the many many broken bug threads that litter the feedback section.

You sir are the poster child for fanboi