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BL4CKST4R wrote:

Kitten Empress wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Kitten Empress wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying

Awesome idea!

Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics"

::snicker snicker::

Pretty much this.

I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with.
Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit.
Yes even with equipment.

Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else.

So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots?
Gotchya...

No, if I build my GaLogi Pro, and my Gallente Assault Pro with the same shields and Armor the Assault would have around 100 more EHP than the GaLogi, if I now take the Assault and remove a shield and replace it with a Damage MOD its EHP would be the same as my GaLogi, thus having the same defense but higher damage. I do get more Equipment slots that is correct but all but one, at least in my case, are used to benefit my teammates.

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Nariec Carbon 7 34	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:20:00 - [1] - Quote And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:23:00 - [2] - Quote Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 192	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote It would seem as though the forums have a rotation on what to complain about. This hours' topic: Logis.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:39:00 - [4] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: It would seem as though the forums have a rotation on what to complain about. This hours' topic: Logis. Makes me miss the good ol' days when everyone QQed about Tanks and the MD...
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 621	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:50:00 - [5] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. We all know by now, at least the people that have been playing awhile now that .....whats on paper........pretty much stays on paper, and is totally opposite than ingame reaility.
General John Ripper 187. Unclaimed. 326	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:50:00 - [6] - Quote I miss when everyone complained about how op I was and how I should be nerfed. oh wait that was a dream....
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 9	Posted - 2013.05.30 06:16:00 - [7] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. Make sure to look at the slot loadoat and passive bonuses too not just base ehp
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.05.30 10:35:00 - [8] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. Make sure to look at the slot loadoat and passive bonuses too not just base ehp Compared to a scout or assault with a similar module fitting, a scout or assault will do the job better. Only difference is that the logi is more reliant on equipment and can only mimic the scout or assault. Scouts and assaults will always be faster for a cheaper price, logis are just tankier. It's called having a tradeoff.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 330	Posted - 2013.05.30 10:39:00 - [9] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: It would seem as though the forums have a rotation on what to complain about. This hours' topic: Logis. Is just the same trolls, complaining over and over again, with different accounts, to they get what they want... I will love for CCP to track users via IP... You'll see that the majority of forum activity, is the same people, with different alts and accounts.
Hana-Maru TeamPlayers EoN. 123	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:06:00 - [10] - Quote Logi suits ARE NOT over powered. the bonuses & stats on assault & scout suits just suck.

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 532	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:27:00 - [11] - Quote :( i miss the days when Heavies were over powered
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3343	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:29:00 - [12] - Quote Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying Awesome idea! Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics" ::snicker snicker::
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 466	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:32:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. You sir dont understand a thing in this game do you. Did you know that you can get the logi suit to run at 10.5 mps? And you will still have 2 slots left in your low for other items. Saying that Logies cannot fullfill every role is just dumb because they can. They can pretty much out tank the heavies. They can out run the scouts/assaults. They can out fit every other suit available. And they are balanced? Their shields start to regen in no time flat and they get a bonus 5 armor repper just for being logi. Perhaps you need to go back and look at the stats because you obviously fail to understand the possibilities with those stats and the mods that are available.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:33:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying Awesome idea! Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics" ::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:34:00 - [15] - Quote Nariec wrote: And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts. I highly doubt this is true Logis are the 2nd slowest class, 4.7m/s for Caldari and Gallente, and 5.0 for minmatar, you probably fought a minmatar assault they are the the fastest assault suit, and the fastest suit aside from the scouts.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 532	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:36:00 - [16] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Nariec wrote: And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts. I highly doubt this is true Logis are the 2nd slowest class, 4.7m/s for Caldari and Gallente, and 5.0 for minmatar, you probably fought a minmatar assault they are the the fastest assault suit, and the fastest suit aside from the scouts. Its all about the slots dude.... THE SLOTS
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 466	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:39:00 - [17] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Nariec wrote: And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts. I highly doubt this is true Logis are the 2nd slowest class, 4.7m/s for Caldari and Gallente, and 5.0 for minmatar, you probably fought a minmatar assault they are the the fastest assault suit, and the fastest suit aside from the scouts. Its all about the slots dude.... THE SLOTS Yea obviously ppl are not paying attention. Minmatar logi with 2 complex catalyzers run at 10.5 mps. That is faster than any scout can get with catalyzers.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3344	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:40:00 - [18] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Yea obviously ppl are not paying attention. Minmatar logi with 2 complex catalyzers run at 10.5 mps. That is faster than any scout can get with catalyzers. The problem is that we have far more new players now who feel the need to chime in because they understand how CCP has been balancing this game for the past year or so
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:41:00 - [19] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying Awesome idea! Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics" ::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 131	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:42:00 - [20] - Quote you fought the law and the law won XD

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 393	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:42:00 - [21] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: Logi suits ARE NOT over powered. the bonuses & stats on assault & scout suits just suck. Caldari Logi would like a word with you.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:43:00 - [22] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Nariec wrote: And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts. I highly doubt this is true Logis are the 2nd slowest class, 4.7m/s for Caldari and Gallente, and 5.0 for minmatar, you probably fought a minmatar assault they are the the fastest assault suit, and the fastest suit aside from the scouts. Its all about the slots dude.... THE SLOTS Yea obviously ppl are not paying attention. Minmatar logi with 2 complex catalyzers run at 10.5 mps. That is faster than any scout can get with catalyzers. Get a flaylock pistol and shoot at their feet, get the 15 AUR grenade or the ISK variant COMING SOON. Pray and Spray.
First Prophet Jaguar Elite 135	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:49:00 - [23] - Quote Medium frames took the role of scouts a long time ago.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3344	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:50:00 - [24] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Medium frames took the role of scouts a long time ago. What's a scout?
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:51:00 - [25] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. You sir dont understand a thing in this game do you. Did you know that you can get the logi suit to run at 10.5 mps? And you will still have 2 slots left in your low for other items. Saying that Logies cannot fullfill every role is just dumb because they can. They can pretty much out tank the heavies. They can out run the scouts/assaults. They can out fit every other suit available. And they are balanced? Their shields start to regen in no time flat and they get a bonus 5 armor repper just for being logi. Perhaps you need to go back and look at the stats because you obviously fail to understand the possibilities with those stats and the mods that are available. Every logi can out tank a heavy? Tell me how with each race. Start with the Amarr and Gallente...
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 333	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:54:00 - [26] - Quote You fought A logi ?... Try fighting about 100 of them, and then come back with constructive, positive feedback.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3344	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:57:00 - [27] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: You fought A logi ?... Try fighting about 100 of them, and then come back with constructive, positive feedback. The results would be skewed because at least 70% of the DUST population don't even have the slightest idea how to play this game
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 172	Posted - 2013.05.30 13:57:00 - [28] - Quote Nariec wrote: And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts. This is awesome. i was hoping to see some diversity.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:00:00 - [29] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. You sir dont understand a thing in this game do you. Did you know that you can get the logi suit to run at 10.5 mps? And you will still have 2 slots left in your low for other items. Saying that Logies cannot fullfill every role is just dumb because they can. They can pretty much out tank the heavies. They can out run the scouts/assaults. They can out fit every other suit available. And they are balanced? Their shields start to regen in no time flat and they get a bonus 5 armor repper just for being logi. Perhaps you need to go back and look at the stats because you obviously fail to understand the possibilities with those stats and the mods that are available. You do know this is sprint speed not actual moving speed, and if you didn't already know you cant shoot while sprinting. Also if you really really wanted to you can stick 2 Kinetic catalyzers in a assault suit and OMG GUESS WHAT it is now faster than a logi with the same stuff. Oh wow 5 armor repair bonus that requires a 2.4M SP invested while assaults get 5+ Shield repair over the logistic suit of the same race for free while getting a 25% increase to that bonus for leveling up their Assault suit skill. Our shields regen 2 seconds earlier but at a slower pace, my shield takes 21 seconds to recharge, a Gallente Assault suit with the same shield HP amount takes 15 seconds to recharge add in the 2 second delay and its shields recharge at 17 seconds which is still faster.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:03:00 - [30] - Quote People like you are the reason why I get hate mail for playing logi, the real way. Somehow in your narrow views, my Minmatar which despite losing 55 shields is relatively unchanged since E3 makes your epeens go flaccid in jealousy. I got barely more HP than a scout and only marginally faster than a heavy but when you see that yellow, you get yellow running down your leg. If you see a Minmatar logi out there kicking ass like you guys claim all the logis are doing, let me know their name. They're obviously doing something I'm not.

Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 333	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:05:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: You fought A logi ?... Try fighting about 100 of them, and then come back with constructive, positive feedback. The results would be skewed because at least 70% of the DUST population don't even have the slightest idea how to play this game Just saying... for every one Logi that kicks my a$$, i kick the a$$ of 3 of them.. So in proportion, only 1 of every 4 Logis are OP.
Dust HaHakoke Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:06:00 - [32] - Quote You fought the logi... and the logi won
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:25:00 - [33] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying Awesome idea! Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics" ::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots? Gotchya...
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 74	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:32:00 - [34] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying Awesome idea! Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics" ::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots? Gotchya... No, if I build my GaLogi Pro, and my Gallente Assault Pro with the same shields and Armor the Assault would have around 100 more EHP than the GaLogi, if I now take the Assault and remove a shield and replace it with a Damage MOD its EHP would be the same as my GaLogi, thus having the same defense but higher damage. I do get more Equipment slots that is correct but all but one, at least in my case, are used to benefit my teammates.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:36:00 - [35] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying Awesome idea! Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics" ::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots? Gotchya... No, if I build my GaLogi Pro, and my Gallente Assault Pro with the same shields and Armor the Assault would have around 100 more EHP than the GaLogi, if I now take the Assault and remove a shield and replace it with a Damage MOD its EHP would be the same as my GaLogi, thus having the same defense but higher damage. I do get more Equipment slots that is correct but all but one, at least in my case, are used to benefit my teammates. You get a free 5hp/s. That's a complex armor rep right there. Remove one, replace it with complex plate and then judge it.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 74	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:39:00 - [36] - Quote 5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:50:00 - [37] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: 5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. Complex armor plate isn't an option? I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit. Plus a complex armor repairer. I think a proto logi could fit it -_- Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless. If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:56:00 - [38] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: 5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. Complex armor plate isn't an option? I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit. Plus a complex armor repairer. I think a proto logi could fit it -_- Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless. If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong. Are you trolling? Galllente logis and assaults make good shield tankers if you look at their base stats.
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:03:00 - [39] - Quote I think they did respec at the wrong time... They should have re balanced all the suits, thanoffer respec. Even if they plan to fix the suits in the future they have gimped the community because there are a lot of logistics running around. Most of them are not even spec for support/medic/engineer. So IF you gimp the Logistics they won't even be speced into the things they will need to be using. Therefore gimping the suit is nearly impossible.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 75	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:12:00 - [40] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: 5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. Complex armor plate isn't an option? I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit. Plus a complex armor repairer. I think a proto logi could fit it -_- Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless. If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong. 20% movement speed penalty is definitely not an option... I spend a good amount of time chasing people around with a repair tool so moving 20% slower than them is really bad for me, and MOST, not all, are not willing to take such a big hit. And if your going full defensive then putting on shields is not doing it wrong... Regardless of what HP boost you prefer, armor or shields, a high shield recharge is really good when it comes to actively leaving and returning to battle.



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