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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:34:00 -
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Nariec wrote:And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts.
I highly doubt this is true Logis are the 2nd slowest class, 4.7m/s for Caldari and Gallente, and 5.0 for minmatar, you probably fought a minmatar assault they are the the fastest assault suit, and the fastest suit aside from the scouts. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:41:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying
Awesome idea!
Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics"
::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment.
Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:43:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Nariec wrote:And he was insanely fast, uses a shotgun, and you can't even hit him, if you do, he regenerates his Shield and Armor very fast. I don't know about you all, but it seems that not only that they have taken the role of Assault Suits, they have also taken the role of Shotgun Scouts. I highly doubt this is true Logis are the 2nd slowest class, 4.7m/s for Caldari and Gallente, and 5.0 for minmatar, you probably fought a minmatar assault they are the the fastest assault suit, and the fastest suit aside from the scouts. Its all about the slots dude.... THE SLOTS Yea obviously ppl are not paying attention. Minmatar logi with 2 complex catalyzers run at 10.5 mps. That is faster than any scout can get with catalyzers. Get a flaylock pistol and shoot at their feet, get the 15 AUR grenade or the ISK variant COMING SOON. Pray and Spray.
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:00:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Cosgar's Alt wrote:Compare that suit's base stats with an assault or basic medium frame suit and you'll see that logi's base stats are actually horrible by comparison. You sir dont understand a thing in this game do you. Did you know that you can get the logi suit to run at 10.5 mps? And you will still have 2 slots left in your low for other items. Saying that Logies cannot fullfill every role is just dumb because they can. They can pretty much out tank the heavies. They can out run the scouts/assaults. They can out fit every other suit available. And they are balanced? Their shields start to regen in no time flat and they get a bonus 5 armor repper just for being logi. Perhaps you need to go back and look at the stats because you obviously fail to understand the possibilities with those stats and the mods that are available.
You do know this is sprint speed not actual moving speed, and if you didn't already know you cant shoot while sprinting. Also if you really really wanted to you can stick 2 Kinetic catalyzers in a assault suit and OMG GUESS WHAT it is now faster than a logi with the same stuff. Oh wow 5 armor repair bonus that requires a 2.4M SP invested while assaults get 5+ Shield repair over the logistic suit of the same race for free while getting a 25% increase to that bonus for leveling up their Assault suit skill. Our shields regen 2 seconds earlier but at a slower pace, my shield takes 21 seconds to recharge, a Gallente Assault suit with the same shield HP amount takes 15 seconds to recharge add in the 2 second delay and its shields recharge at 17 seconds which is still faster. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:32:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying
Awesome idea!
Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics"
::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots? Gotchya...
No, if I build my GaLogi Pro, and my Gallente Assault Pro with the same shields and Armor the Assault would have around 100 more EHP than the GaLogi, if I now take the Assault and remove a shield and replace it with a Damage MOD its EHP would be the same as my GaLogi, thus having the same defense but higher damage. I do get more Equipment slots that is correct but all but one, at least in my case, are used to benefit my teammates. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:39:00 -
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5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:12:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. Complex armor plate isn't an option? I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit. Plus a complex armor repairer. I think a proto logi could fit it -_- Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless. If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong.
20% movement speed penalty is definitely not an option... I spend a good amount of time chasing people around with a repair tool so moving 20% slower than them is really bad for me, and MOST, not all, are not willing to take such a big hit. And if your going full defensive then putting on shields is not doing it wrong...
Regardless of what HP boost you prefer, armor or shields, a high shield recharge is really good when it comes to actively leaving and returning to battle. |
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