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Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You fought A logi ?... Try fighting about 100 of them, and then come back with constructive, positive feedback. The results would be skewed because at least 70% of the DUST population don't even have the slightest idea how to play this game 
Just saying... for every one Logi that kicks my a$$, i kick the a$$ of 3 of them.. So in proportion, only 1 of every 4 Logis are OP. |
Dust HaHakoke
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:06:00 -
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You fought the logi... and the logi won |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:25:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying
Awesome idea!
Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics"
::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else.
So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots?
Gotchya... |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
74
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:32:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying
Awesome idea!
Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics"
::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots? Gotchya...
No, if I build my GaLogi Pro, and my Gallente Assault Pro with the same shields and Armor the Assault would have around 100 more EHP than the GaLogi, if I now take the Assault and remove a shield and replace it with a Damage MOD its EHP would be the same as my GaLogi, thus having the same defense but higher damage. I do get more Equipment slots that is correct but all but one, at least in my case, are used to benefit my teammates. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:36:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, lets make the support class better than the slayer class at slaying
Awesome idea!
Hey hey, just to be funny, let's call it "logistics"
::snicker snicker:: Pretty much this. I tend to just sit and mix and match suits to see what I can come up with. Logi suits always are the superior ones from my trials, and are also super easy to fit. Yes even with equipment. Only CaLogi is superior than the assault suit, I can make a Gallente assault suit with the same EHP as my Gallente logistics, while the Assault has 1 complex Light modifier, most people don't see this they think oh Logis have more slots so they must be better, but they don't account for base stats, speed, and other functional slots. The problem with this ideology is that people blame the entire logistics group because the CaLogi is broken, instead of narrowing down the problem you shotgun the entire situation and hope you hit your target while obliterating everything in its way, that's why every time CCP fixes something they mess up something else. So you get the same eHP and damage as assault only the Logi has 3 equipment slots? Gotchya... No, if I build my GaLogi Pro, and my Gallente Assault Pro with the same shields and Armor the Assault would have around 100 more EHP than the GaLogi, if I now take the Assault and remove a shield and replace it with a Damage MOD its EHP would be the same as my GaLogi, thus having the same defense but higher damage. I do get more Equipment slots that is correct but all but one, at least in my case, are used to benefit my teammates.
You get a free 5hp/s. That's a complex armor rep right there.
Remove one, replace it with complex plate and then judge it. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
74
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:39:00 -
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5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:50:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people.
Complex armor plate isn't an option?
I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit.
Plus a complex armor repairer.
I think a proto logi could fit it -_-
Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless.
If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong. |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:56:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. Complex armor plate isn't an option? I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit. Plus a complex armor repairer. I think a proto logi could fit it -_- Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless. If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong.
Are you trolling? Galllente logis and assaults make good shield tankers if you look at their base stats. |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:03:00 -
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I think they did respec at the wrong time... They should have re balanced all the suits, thanoffer respec. Even if they plan to fix the suits in the future they have gimped the community because there are a lot of logistics running around. Most of them are not even spec for support/medic/engineer. So IF you gimp the Logistics they won't even be speced into the things they will need to be using. Therefore gimping the suit is nearly impossible. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
75
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:12:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:5 free hp/s for armor yeah ,but assault you get 5 hp/s on shields without spending SP and if they do spend SP they get to increase that 5hp/s. GaLogi repairs shields at 15hp/s, Assault 20 hp/s;CaLogi 20hp/s, Assault 25hp/s. And using a Complex armor plate is never an option for me, and that's the same for most people. Complex armor plate isn't an option? I'm fitting two on my advanced basic medium frame suit. Plus a complex armor repairer. I think a proto logi could fit it -_- Also, we're talking about Gal Logi, the shield bonus is useless. If you are fitting shields, you are doing it wrong.
20% movement speed penalty is definitely not an option... I spend a good amount of time chasing people around with a repair tool so moving 20% slower than them is really bad for me, and MOST, not all, are not willing to take such a big hit. And if your going full defensive then putting on shields is not doing it wrong...
Regardless of what HP boost you prefer, armor or shields, a high shield recharge is really good when it comes to actively leaving and returning to battle. |
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