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While I get pissed off as much as the next person about getting run over, my main reason for wanting them priced is so when I join a match, and call down a vehicle, I don't get "Vehicle Quota Reached" within the first 15 seconds of the match, it's ridiculous.

I say keep it free but the LAV should take damage for running over people. Hell my heavy has almost as much hp as one there shouldn't be no consequence running over the boulder that is me.

I say keep it free but the LAV should take damage for running over people. Hell my heavy has almost as much hp as one there shouldn't be no consequence running over the boulder that is me.

I love the forum metagame in Dust. On any given day everyone complains about something horribly until its nerfed. Then someone abuses something else and its nerfed, everything will be nerfed to the lowest common denominator

In the end there will be Pandas Everywhere

You are giving us Pandas.

Thanks for nothing.

Shut up, stop crying, and start carrying AV weapons. I'm stick of you people whining like children that all vehicles are overpowered and they're absolutely impossible to destroy. Quite frankly that's bullshit. I'm reaching a point to where I'll drop enough ISK to get 50 tank fits, and start pissing them away in Ambush matches to make you people stop crying.

It SHOULD be difficult to kill a tank? Why? Because they have the highest total hitpoints of anything a person can use in the game. Why? Because railguns can shoot a long, long distance, keeping you at bay. Why? Because they can run you over if they're going fast enough and you don't move. Why? Because we don't all run without a squad/solo. I gun/spot for a top tanker. If need be, I'll pull out my own tank, one of which is exactly the same as his, another is build entirely for maximum damage. I could fit a variety of tanks, including spider tanking, which would make it absolutely impossible for him to be killed in a match without a 6-man squad coming after us with prototype AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly, while I'm sure everybody still has hundreds of the hacked EX-0 AV grenades, which required absolutely no SP investment on your part.

Stop complaining that something is overpowered or too hard to take down, when CCP gives you the tools to do so. After that, it SHOULD take teamwork to destroy a tanker team.

The complaints wont stop because nobody likes spending 60% of the match just looking out for murder taxis. It will change because it has to change.

Things will change if people spend a tiny bit of SP on AV.

When the hunting gets good and the game plentiful we will get more hunters who in turn cull the population.

You don't need to invoke divine interference to limit the population, just let things take a natural course.

I still dont understand why free LAVs exist. Where are my free AV nades then? If it costs SP and isk to counter them, why dont they cost anything?

why does free militia gear exist then?

I imagine because it gives people who have no isk the means to continue playing the game. Not the same situation at all.

Edit: I assume you are speaking of militia dropsuits.

AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly

I just see free LAVs as taking away from dedicated LAV drivers also. Why shouldnt you have to skill into and purchase them?

I just see free LAVs as taking away from dedicated LAV drivers also. Why shouldnt you have to skill into and purchase them?

There is the likely possibility of the LAV being changed in a future build due to most of the community in an outrage over it being "abused." To be honest, I do not want to see this happen. Some of you might think it won't change, but it's inevitable. The complaints won't stop. And the complaints won't stop long after the changes are made to the LAVs since half of the other community wants it to be fun and free. I still think it's fun to run over people since it's natural. I get run over a couple of times and even a few times by dropships on top of the buildings. The problem is NOT the LAV. The problem is people wanting to win and staying alive. People hate to get shot, run over, blown, etc and that is a natural part of FPS games and any war games. I say deal with it and lighten up. You get run over? There's plenty of clones, it's not the end of the game or the world. Get up and try again and use your brain. It's a game and it's supposed to be fun. And so what if the LAVs become priced? There's tanks, dropships, and the future jets, MTACs, bikes, and God forbid, hoverboards. Gonna crash into somebody.

Please explain how one makes a living as a LAV driver and how the free LAV endangers that living.

The problem isn't just being run over. It's the fact that you can't avoid it for the majority of the times. Tanks, LAV's, and dropships do not appear on the overview. I have level 5 scanning & precision with the level 5 modules on and at least 3-4 times in every match I'm being run over by an LAV that appeared from no where. YES, I can hear it, but that makes no difference if I can't see it. LAV's and HAV's should not be cloaked on the overview. It's complete and utter nonsense. In reality, technology would see these things coming from miles away. Their sounds should be pinpointed on the overview. It's broken and frustrating.

There is also no point in using AV grenades if it takes 15 grenades to kill an LAV. I have to sit on a nanohive chucking grenades until the nanohive dies out and the LAV is still alive. It's even worse for some of these shield tanks that wont die to 5 people using CBR7 swarm launchers getting direct hits emptying their entire clip... BROKEN...

Please explain how one makes a living as a LAV driver and how the free LAV endangers that living.

This is... an LAV thread. Cry somewhere else, please.

This is where you are wrong. Why not? I can solo a 200K proto suit with a free militia. Why should you get an auto win button against another player just because he didnt spend enough money or have enough SP? You pay for an advantage, a heafty one, but not an auto win button.

I still dont understand why free LAVs exist. Where are my free AV nades then? If it costs SP and isk to counter them, why dont they cost anything?

Shut up, stop crying, and start carrying AV weapons. I'm stick of you people whining like children that all vehicles are overpowered and they're absolutely impossible to destroy. Quite frankly that's bullshit. I'm reaching a point to where I'll drop enough ISK to get 50 tank fits, and start pissing them away in Ambush matches to make you people stop crying.

It SHOULD be difficult to kill a tank? Why? Because they have the highest total hitpoints of anything a person can use in the game. Why? Because railguns can shoot a long, long distance, keeping you at bay. Why? Because they can run you over if they're going fast enough and you don't move. Why? Because we don't all run without a squad/solo. I gun/spot for a top tanker. If need be, I'll pull out my own tank, one of which is exactly the same as his, another is build entirely for maximum damage. I could fit a variety of tanks, including spider tanking, which would make it absolutely impossible for him to be killed in a match without a 6-man squad coming after us with prototype AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly, while I'm sure everybody still has hundreds of the hacked EX-0 AV grenades, which required absolutely no SP investment on your part.

Stop complaining that something is overpowered or too hard to take down, when CCP gives you the tools to do so. After that, it SHOULD take teamwork to destroy a tanker team.

How to Fix the LAV Problem

Militia vehicles can still be free with no SP requirement but when they impact a person the LAV blows up killing the target and the driver. All other LAVs that cost ISK and SP still work as they do now and can run people over just fine. That way Militia LAVs can be used as transport vehicles and Spec'd up LAVs can be used for killing and what not.

For those that say it would make skilling into LAVs useless, My buddy Tednugget has LAVs with a proto turret and damage mods and he drives it around so the gunner can get kills and it wrecks people. Going 20-0 as a gunner for an LAV driver who knows what they are doing is not difficult at all.

Plus I've destroyed tanks as his gunner.

Can you give me a good reason why your militia gear should be able to take down my Madrugar without difficulty?