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Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1507	Posted - 2013.05.29 19:09:00 - [31] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: I just see free LAVs as taking away from dedicated LAV drivers also. Why shouldnt you have to skill into and purchase them? Please explain how one makes a living as a LAV driver and how the free LAV endangers that living.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.05.29 19:18:00 - [32] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: There is the likely possibility of the LAV being changed in a future build due to most of the community in an outrage over it being "abused." To be honest, I do not want to see this happen. Some of you might think it won't change, but it's inevitable. The complaints won't stop. And the complaints won't stop long after the changes are made to the LAVs since half of the other community wants it to be fun and free. I still think it's fun to run over people since it's natural. I get run over a couple of times and even a few times by dropships on top of the buildings. The problem is NOT the LAV. The problem is people wanting to win and staying alive. People hate to get shot, run over, blown, etc and that is a natural part of FPS games and any war games. I say deal with it and lighten up. You get run over? There's plenty of clones, it's not the end of the game or the world. Get up and try again and use your brain. It's a game and it's supposed to be fun. And so what if the LAVs become priced? There's tanks, dropships, and the future jets, MTACs, bikes, and God forbid, hoverboards. Gonna crash into somebody. The problem isn't just being run over. It's the fact that you can't avoid it for the majority of the times. Tanks, LAV's, and dropships do not appear on the overview. I have level 5 scanning & precision with the level 5 modules on and at least 3-4 times in every match I'm being run over by an LAV that appeared from no where. YES, I can hear it, but that makes no difference if I can't see it. LAV's and HAV's should not be cloaked on the overview. It's complete and utter nonsense. In reality, technology would see these things coming from miles away. Their sounds should be pinpointed on the overview. It's broken and frustrating. There is also no point in using AV grenades if it takes 15 grenades to kill an LAV. I have to sit on a nanohive chucking grenades until the nanohive dies out and the LAV is still alive. It's even worse for some of these shield tanks that wont die to 5 people using CBR7 swarm launchers getting direct hits emptying their entire clip... BROKEN...
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 671	Posted - 2013.05.29 19:21:00 - [33] - Quote Skihids wrote: Jin Robot wrote: I just see free LAVs as taking away from dedicated LAV drivers also. Why shouldnt you have to skill into and purchase them? Please explain how one makes a living as a LAV driver and how the free LAV endangers that living. What are you talking about "make a living"? I am done trying to speak rationally. Go read my prior posts, all my points have been made.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 74	Posted - 2013.05.29 19:32:00 - [34] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: There is the likely possibility of the LAV being changed in a future build due to most of the community in an outrage over it being "abused." To be honest, I do not want to see this happen. Some of you might think it won't change, but it's inevitable. The complaints won't stop. And the complaints won't stop long after the changes are made to the LAVs since half of the other community wants it to be fun and free. I still think it's fun to run over people since it's natural. I get run over a couple of times and even a few times by dropships on top of the buildings. The problem is NOT the LAV. The problem is people wanting to win and staying alive. People hate to get shot, run over, blown, etc and that is a natural part of FPS games and any war games. I say deal with it and lighten up. You get run over? There's plenty of clones, it's not the end of the game or the world. Get up and try again and use your brain. It's a game and it's supposed to be fun. And so what if the LAVs become priced? There's tanks, dropships, and the future jets, MTACs, bikes, and God forbid, hoverboards. Gonna crash into somebody. The problem isn't just being run over. It's the fact that you can't avoid it for the majority of the times. Tanks, LAV's, and dropships do not appear on the overview. I have level 5 scanning & precision with the level 5 modules on and at least 3-4 times in every match I'm being run over by an LAV that appeared from no where. YES, I can hear it, but that makes no difference if I can't see it. LAV's and HAV's should not be cloaked on the overview. It's complete and utter nonsense. In reality, technology would see these things coming from miles away. Their sounds should be pinpointed on the overview. It's broken and frustrating. There is also no point in using AV grenades if it takes 15 grenades to kill an LAV. I have to sit on a nanohive chucking grenades until the nanohive dies out and the LAV is still alive. It's even worse for some of these shield tanks that wont die to 5 people using CBR7 swarm launchers getting direct hits emptying their entire clip... BROKEN... when i hear a LAV and i dont see it with my eyes or on the radar im going near any obstacle i can find or just sit if u see an LAV coming straight at you and u have no where to hide , just sit still untill he almost to hit you then go left or right , remember the driver is a human and not an automatic drone sometimes i get hit when i do that but i dont die because he didnt hit me full , its more like a scratch last LAV that wanted to run me over was a blood raider red LAV he was coming up towards me , i was on top of a sand dune and when he was about to hit me i run to a side he turned to hit me but as he was coming up and pulled to a direction he flipped over a joy for my wiyrkomi that had the lock on and blew the LAV , the driver jumped out but the blast of the LAV got him
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1913	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:55:00 - [35] - Quote Skihids wrote: Jin Robot wrote: I just see free LAVs as taking away from dedicated LAV drivers also. Why shouldnt you have to skill into and purchase them? Please explain how one makes a living as a LAV driver and how the free LAV endangers that living. If I run LLAV'S I can usually place near the top of the leader board, ensuring a good payout, which in turn pays for the greatest sp sink in dust, dropship piloting. And seeing how invincible those things are I only have to replace them every 4 or 5 games.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:54:00 - [36] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Shut up, stop crying, and start carrying AV weapons. I'm stick of you people whining like children that all vehicles are overpowered and they're absolutely impossible to destroy. Quite frankly that's bullshit. I'm reaching a point to where I'll drop enough ISK to get 50 tank fits, and start pissing them away in Ambush matches to make you people stop crying. It SHOULD be difficult to kill a tank? Why? Because they have the highest total hitpoints of anything a person can use in the game. Why? Because railguns can shoot a long, long distance, keeping you at bay. Why? Because they can run you over if they're going fast enough and you don't move. Why? Because we don't all run without a squad/solo. I gun/spot for a top tanker. If need be, I'll pull out my own tank, one of which is exactly the same as his, another is build entirely for maximum damage. I could fit a variety of tanks, including spider tanking, which would make it absolutely impossible for him to be killed in a match without a 6-man squad coming after us with prototype AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly, while I'm sure everybody still has hundreds of the hacked EX-0 AV grenades, which required absolutely no SP investment on your part. Stop complaining that something is overpowered or too hard to take down, when CCP gives you the tools to do so. After that, it SHOULD take teamwork to destroy a tanker team. This is... an LAV thread. Cry somewhere else, please. What grade-level reading comprehension do you have?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1731	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:57:00 - [37] - Quote Nothing is seriously wrong with the LAV besides the roadkill mechanic. Stop nerfing hulls for mechanic problems.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:58:00 - [38] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Quote: AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly This is where you are wrong. Why not? I can solo a 200K proto suit with a free militia. Why should you get an auto win button against another player just because he didnt spend enough money or have enough SP? You pay for an advantage, a heafty one, but not an auto win button. Can you give me a good reason why your militia gear should be able to take down my Madrugar without difficulty?
Alex Bradshaw The Merc Net 30	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:51:00 - [39] - Quote They should keep LAVs specs the same, just remove the free ones & keep the existing costs on the others. If someone wants to try and run me over, I expect them to pay for the privilege.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 13	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:38:00 - [40] - Quote How to Fix the LAV Problem Militia vehicles can still be free with no SP requirement but when they impact a person the LAV blows up killing the target and the driver. All other LAVs that cost ISK and SP still work as they do now and can run people over just fine. That way Militia LAVs can be used as transport vehicles and Spec'd up LAVs can be used for killing and what not. For those that say it would make skilling into LAVs useless, My buddy Tednugget has LAVs with a proto turret and damage mods and he drives it around so the gunner can get kills and it wrecks people. Going 20-0 as a gunner for an LAV driver who knows what they are doing is not difficult at all. Plus I've destroyed tanks as his gunner.

iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 516	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:30:00 - [41] - Quote Im enjoying all my extra SP from the LAV spammers. Keep it coming.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 79	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:18:00 - [42] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Skihids wrote: Jin Robot wrote: -snip - -snip - I still dont understand why free LAVs exist. Where are my free AV nades then? If it costs SP and isk to counter them, why dont they cost anything? why do free swarm fits exist ? why does specking into av nads also give flux and decent infantry nads ? why is the difference between the mlt and proto av weapons only about 50% damage the game still takes some skill kid i recommend you practice
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 121	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:22:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Shut up, stop crying, and start carrying AV weapons. I'm stick of you people whining like children that all vehicles are overpowered and they're absolutely impossible to destroy. Quite frankly that's bullshit. I'm reaching a point to where I'll drop enough ISK to get 50 tank fits, and start pissing them away in Ambush matches to make you people stop crying. It SHOULD be difficult to kill a tank? Why? Because they have the highest total hitpoints of anything a person can use in the game. Why? Because railguns can shoot a long, long distance, keeping you at bay. Why? Because they can run you over if they're going fast enough and you don't move. Why? Because we don't all run without a squad/solo. I gun/spot for a top tanker. If need be, I'll pull out my own tank, one of which is exactly the same as his, another is build entirely for maximum damage. I could fit a variety of tanks, including spider tanking, which would make it absolutely impossible for him to be killed in a match without a 6-man squad coming after us with prototype AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly, while I'm sure everybody still has hundreds of the hacked EX-0 AV grenades, which required absolutely no SP investment on your part. Stop complaining that something is overpowered or too hard to take down, when CCP gives you the tools to do so. After that, it SHOULD take teamwork to destroy a tanker team. We are talking about LAV's and free ones at that. Some of them seem to be a bit too durable even for av. Some of the fitted LAV's seem to be reaching half that of a tank. I can see your point that tanks should be tough, so...... have tanks stay the same but lower LAV hp (especialy free one)
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:42:00 - [44] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: How to Fix the LAV Problem Militia vehicles can still be free with no SP requirement but when they impact a person the LAV blows up killing the target and the driver. All other LAVs that cost ISK and SP still work as they do now and can run people over just fine. That way Militia LAVs can be used as transport vehicles and Spec'd up LAVs can be used for killing and what not. For those that say it would make skilling into LAVs useless, My buddy Tednugget has LAVs with a proto turret and damage mods and he drives it around so the gunner can get kills and it wrecks people. Going 20-0 as a gunner for an LAV driver who knows what they are doing is not difficult at all. Plus I've destroyed tanks as his gunner. The low slots on a shield LAV are better used for powergrid expansion modules.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 271	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:37:00 - [45] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: Quote: AV. Why? Because you simply shouldn't be able to solo a 1.2mil ISK tank, which required over 8 mil SP to fit properly This is where you are wrong. Why not? I can solo a 200K proto suit with a free militia. Why should you get an auto win button against another player just because he didnt spend enough money or have enough SP? You pay for an advantage, a heafty one, but not an auto win button. Can you give me a good reason why your militia gear should be able to take down my Madrugar without difficulty? Where did I say without difficulty? Honestly, unless you just sit there, and LET me shoot you over and over, my militia gear has 0% chance of killing you. Once you start taking a few hits you can drive away and escape before I could do enough damage to finish you. Meanwhile, with a tad bit of luck, a free frontline suit can absolutely own a proto type suit. Im not saying it should be remotely easy. It should be a little more difficult than a BPO loadout against a proto one. The ISK and SP spent earns you an advantage, but not immunity to players who havent spent that ISK or SP. Right now, that isnt the case, at all. Right now, it would take an entire squad of militia AV to possibly have a chance at taking out an advanced well fit tank. AV nades are a seperate discussion TBH. They are OP in the situations that they can be used, but a decent tank driver with any squad support makes those situations rare.


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