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XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.28 09:54:00 -
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Alright, So the read-me (that no one reads) states that this fourm is for talking about the CPM and issues. So, these are my questions.
1: What is the EXACT goal for CPM 0, what did CCP tell you your mission was when they gave you the position? I realize you are at time acting as a mouth peace, and helping with all the tweaking that is needed, gather info, ect ect.
2: How often does CPM meet? Is there an actually schedule for meetings? Or is it more of a "Hey, your online, letGÇÖs talk about this issue." I am kind of wondering if CPM is pretty organized or a loose group of people. Not that I would fault anyone for it being a loose group, itGÇÖs a game and youGÇÖre not getting paid.
3: What are the issues on the table? Is there a list of things you are working on or trying to get CCP to work on? Stand in models for the other suits, balance issues, ect ect.
4: How often do you meet with CCP? Pretty straight forward question. Is there a schedual, or is it more of them contacting CPM members when they want info.
5: Who are you? I know they named everyone who is a CPM member, but did they tell you, "Hey, this is the reason we selected you to be on this team." Would it be possible to get an Intro thread here giving a brief bio on each of the CPM members.
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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.28 10:59:00 -
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Well, one CPM member (I don't remember who or where it was quoted as there's no tags for their posts in the sub-forums) said that they ARE NOT meant for Balancing. Which makes me sort of scratch my head as the only thing they'd really be after that is the harbinger of new content, something CCP isn't really too crazy about.
So, to be honest, I think the CPM is a small select group of people that has more flash and pizzazz whenever they post on the forums, makes their alliance (Cronos) look more important and gets a free trip to Iceland. Also, they talk to Devs about the same boring **** we talk about.
Then again I could be wrong and they might actually be doing a lot of things that -are- important to the game like... Whatever is not balancing proposals and new content implementation. So that narrows it down to nodding in agreement with whatever CCP says and smiling at the things they don't like. |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.28 11:23:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Well, one CPM member (I don't remember who or where it was quoted as there's no tags for their posts in the sub-forums) said that they ARE NOT meant for Balancing. Which makes me sort of scratch my head as the only thing they'd really be after that is the harbinger of new content, something CCP isn't really too crazy about.
So, to be honest, I think the CPM is a small select group of people that has more flash and pizzazz whenever they post on the forums, makes their alliance (Cronos) look more important and gets a free trip to Iceland. Also, they talk to Devs about the same boring **** we talk about.
Then again I could be wrong and they might actually be doing a lot of things that -are- important to the game like... Whatever is not balancing proposals and new content implementation. So that narrows it down to nodding in agreement with whatever CCP says and smiling at the things they don't like.
I read that post where they said they are not there for balencing, that being said. What actually they are meant to do, and what they are doing are two diffrent things. Not saying its bad, its simply the fact of the matter, what the CPM was created for, and what they are used for, might not line up.
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jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1679
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:53:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Alright, So the read-me (that no one reads) states that this fourm is for talking about the CPM and issues. So, these are my questions.
1: What is the EXACT goal for CPM 0, what did CCP tell you your mission was when they gave you the position?
The two main goals of CPM0 is To set the standard for the future practice and protocol for the future CPM and to come up with a fair and effective method of choosing the next CPM council. Think of us as a beta version of dust's CSM as unlike the eve devs, the shanghai dudes have not been working with a CSM type since 2008-2009 and doing their own thing more or less.
Quote:2: How often does CPM meet? We have a shared skype channel, One for CPM only, one for CPM and CSM, and one for CPM and CCP. we talk about stuff fairly regularly but because 4 of us are US and 2 of us are EU and most of the dust devs are shanghai, it can be a bit awkward getting meetings together for stuff at times. The last time we all met face to face was fanfest.
Quote:3: What are the issues on the table? Im not really sure what we are allowed to talk about on that as unless CCP gives a nod, all the stuff in those channels are covered by NDA
Quote:4: How often do you meet with CCP?
The Skype channel makes talking to CCP often fairly easy asside from timezones, even then the true grit dudes are in iceland so its not so bad
I'm Jenza aranda, we are actually in the progess of making an intro thread that will be stickied at the top of this channel
Anyway, while its sort of true that we are not here for balance, we are there to set fires under people's ass when **** goes wrong |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1679
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Well, one CPM member (I don't remember who or where it was quoted as there's no tags for their posts in the sub-forums) said that they ARE NOT meant for Balancing. Which makes me sort of scratch my head as the only thing they'd really be after that is the harbinger of new content, something CCP isn't really too crazy about.
So, to be honest, I think the CPM is a small select group of people that has more flash and pizzazz whenever they post on the forums, makes their alliance (Cronos) look more important and gets a free trip to Iceland. Also, they talk to Devs about the same boring **** we talk about.
Then again I could be wrong and they might actually be doing a lot of things that -are- important to the game like... Whatever is not balancing proposals and new content implementation. So that narrows it down to nodding in agreement with whatever CCP says and smiling at the things they don't like.
One of the infuriating parts of this job is that we cant really go into specifics about what we do and some of the ways we are working to try and make the game better, which means some people assume we are doing nothing.
Also, why would we go to iceland? Dust is developed in shanghai... |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:35:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Well, one CPM member (I don't remember who or where it was quoted as there's no tags for their posts in the sub-forums) said that they ARE NOT meant for Balancing. Which makes me sort of scratch my head as the only thing they'd really be after that is the harbinger of new content, something CCP isn't really too crazy about.
So, to be honest, I think the CPM is a small select group of people that has more flash and pizzazz whenever they post on the forums, makes their alliance (Cronos) look more important and gets a free trip to Iceland. Also, they talk to Devs about the same boring **** we talk about.
Then again I could be wrong and they might actually be doing a lot of things that -are- important to the game like... Whatever is not balancing proposals and new content implementation. So that narrows it down to nodding in agreement with whatever CCP says and smiling at the things they don't like. One of the infuriating parts of this job is that we cant really go into specifics about what we do and some of the ways we are working to try and make the game better, which means some people assume we are doing nothing. Also, why would we go to iceland? Dust is developed in shanghai...
Iceland, Shanghai, Antarctica - doesn't really matter if you're just there to look at concept art and keep your lips zipped up about it.
Can't talk about you do, CCP won't be specific as to what you do, game obviously isn't getting much better so what we assume can't be too far off. Just look at how the CSM operates.
Honestly, only difference I've seen between the CPM and the CSM is that the CPM actually talks on the forums without saying "no" and only "no" whenever someone proposes a good idea or questions something that looks funny. Then again, you guys were -chosen- and not -elected- so, come time to vote I'd imagine those running will be the most vocal birds in the flock....
.... Until they're elected... Then they just do exactly that: "No."
But, let's talk about something that you guys actually have done: How's that 2+ weeks worth of feedback on the state of Tactical Assault Rifles working out?
Edit: Also, having five people in the CPM seems a little off-putting when they're all from the same general background. Yes, I'm speaking of Cronos. While I normally don't have an issue with this, bear in mind that the things YOU agree with aren't necessarily the things the PLAYER BASE agrees with. This is why representatives are elected in the first place, to prevent the silly things like five people sitting in a room all agreeing on the one thing that 87% of the player-base has an issue with. |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.29 08:39:00 -
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Quote:3: What are the issues on the table?
jenza aranda wrote: Im not really sure what we are allowed to talk about on that as unless CCP gives a nod, all the stuff in those channels are covered by NDA
I am not asking for a detailed list of what is going on but I wouldn't mind a ball park answer. To me it seems you are clearly doing more than the two objectives they laid out. I have seen a few threads and posts by CPM members that lead me to believe that you are at least somewhat involved in balancing.
Example:
CPM: Feedback Requested, Tactical Assault Rifles
Also the placeholder thread I cant find. |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:24:00 -
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If i'm being honest, the CPM\CCP dynamic is still work in progress here. But i try and discuss as many different topics as i can with them. Trying to see how they think, how they apprehend different aspects of the game. Understanding the way they work strikes me as a good way to pitch in efficiently.
Regarding balancing, we raise the community's concern. And if i'm asked for my opinion, i tend to check what the community says about it and use it as a starting ground for discussions.
TAC-AR we can talk about as Remnant already said stuff about the coming tweak : here
The discussion with them was me emphasizing the community being all over the ROF of that weapon and the possibility to use modded controllers. Second critic i noticed being often stated on the forum was about how good the weapon is through hip fire. Overall, that the TAR was too good at close range when it's not supposed to.
Regarding the placeholders, it's been misunderstood. Just because we talk with devs doesnt mean everything we say has been checked with devs. The placeholder idea was a response to people bitching about the lack of racial variants for heavies and scouts. Nothing more.
And just like anyone else's idea i find interesting, i then try and discuss it with CCP. Doesnt mean everything i or the other CPM members discuss is gonna end up in the game. But at least we can try and draw some more attention on it.
But as i said. CPM is work in progress. Being in the CPM is work in progress for me lol. But we try and do good. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1922
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:29:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Well, one CPM member (I don't remember who or where it was quoted as there's no tags for their posts in the sub-forums) said that they ARE NOT meant for Balancing. Which makes me sort of scratch my head as the only thing they'd really be after that is the harbinger of new content, something CCP isn't really too crazy about.
So, to be honest, I think the CPM is a small select group of people that has more flash and pizzazz whenever they post on the forums, makes their alliance (Cronos) look more important and gets a free trip to Iceland. Also, they talk to Devs about the same boring **** we talk about.
Then again I could be wrong and they might actually be doing a lot of things that -are- important to the game like... Whatever is not balancing proposals and new content implementation. So that narrows it down to nodding in agreement with whatever CCP says and smiling at the things they don't like. One of the infuriating parts of this job is that we cant really go into specifics about what we do and some of the ways we are working to try and make the game better, which means some people assume we are doing nothing. Also, why would we go to iceland? Dust is developed in shanghai... Iceland, Shanghai, Antarctica - doesn't really matter if you're just there to look at concept art and keep your lips zipped up about it. Can't talk about you do, CCP won't be specific as to what you do, game obviously isn't getting much better so what we assume can't be too far off. Just look at how the CSM operates. Honestly, only difference I've seen between the CPM and the CSM is that the CPM actually talks on the forums without saying "no" and only "no" whenever someone proposes a good idea or questions something that looks funny. Then again, you guys were -chosen- and not -elected- so, come time to vote I'd imagine those running will be the most vocal birds in the flock.... .... Until they're elected... Then they just do exactly that: "No." But, let's talk about something that you guys actually have done: How's that 2+ weeks worth of feedback on the state of Tactical Assault Rifles working out? Edit: Also, having five people in the CPM seems a little off-putting when they're all from the same general background. Yes, I'm speaking of Cronos. While I normally don't have an issue with this, bear in mind that the things YOU agree with aren't necessarily the things the PLAYER BASE agrees with. This is why representatives are elected in the first place, to prevent the silly things like five people sitting in a room all agreeing on the one thing that 87% of the player-base has an issue with. For gods sake man, the CPM hasn't even been around for two months yet, and game development takes time, yet your still bitching about them? Seriously all this anti CPM stuff was amusing at first but now it's just annoying, wait for the next update to hit and see what's in it or what's not. Then you can judge how effective the CPM has been. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1411
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:44:00 -
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I would, but the CPM has made it painfully obvious they're only concerned about what they want changed, not the player base. To top ot off, at least one member: Iron Wolf Saber specifically, has shown that they're not responsible with the power given by holding it over people heads. See the thread by Jason Pearson regarding IWS to stop calling himself a pilot.
Mich like the CSM, the CPM can't be trusted to represent the players, but their own affairs. This is only compounded when they are not elected, but chosen by CCP - and choosing members of the same background(corp history) isn't that great an ideal either.
It should never -EVER- come down to an issue where our representatives threaten to hold back on bettering the game because of tears and grief. Our representatives need to be chosen more widely, there needs to be more transparency, and there needs to be less room for abuse of power. To date, what the CPM does has not been officially outlined, how they are supposed to operate has not been officially outlined, and there is no code of conduct. Those should have been the first things on the board. |
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1030
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:48:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
. To date, what the CPM does has not been officially outlined, how they are supposed to operate has not been officially outlined, and there is no code of conduct. Those should have been the first things on the board.
A post like this is being worked on and will be put out when we're happy with it.
Regarding the OP:
A proper introductions post, along with contact information, etc and our personal goals for each CPM member has been drafted and posted, and simply needs to be moved by one of the community dudes once they're awake. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
345
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Posted - 2013.05.31 08:23:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Regarding the OP:
A proper introductions post, along with contact information, etc and our personal goals for each CPM member has been drafted and posted, and simply needs to be moved by one of the community dudes once they're awake.
This has been done. Stickied at the top of the Council's Chambers. However, it only answers question 5. Questions 1-4 will be covered in another lengthy update that will be posted by the end of the weekend.
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XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
327
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:18:00 -
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Thanks for the updates. *tips hat* |
JONAHBENHUR
New Eden's Most Wanted Gentlemen's Agreement
3
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:52:00 -
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what is cpm isnt that what cartman did to butters a Cat Poop Mustache? |
Travis Snyders
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:32:00 -
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New Players Please Watch |
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