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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:27:00 -
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So, I am a decent player with about 4 mil sp. My best fit is an advanced med frame with a duvolle tac ar, three complex shield extenders, and a standard locus grenade. Unfortunately, it cannot stand up to the proto logis and such, and coupled with my pretty high death rate, my inability to play much, and my relatively small isk payout with the respec, I'm losing money fast.
I've tried using militia gear, but with it's current state and the abundance of proto bears, it just isn't a viable option. Something has to be done. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
991
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:31:00 -
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I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
489
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:36:00 -
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There are a couple of things that you could do to help yourself. You could downgrade to a GLU-5 TAR - this reduces the isk cost very significantly, at the cost of 6 bullets in the clip. The damage reduction genuinely isn't noticeable. You could adjust your tactics. If you're going toe to toe with a protosuit, then perhaps you should change your tactics. If that toe to toe situation changes to you coming up behind them, you should be able to drop them relatively easily. Just got to make sure your shots land.
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Osiris Ausare
TeamPlayers EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:38:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit.
Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible). |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
302
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:39:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. But, were they proto suits? You never said anything about the suits' meta lvl. And you said assault suits, correct? Did you mean the basic frames, or actual assaults, or logis? And if assaults or logis, what meta lvl were they? I've heard anything under proto is completely useless. And the assault suits aren't much better than the basic frames. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
991
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:44:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. But, were they proto suits? You never said anything about the suits' meta lvl. And you said assault suits, correct? Did you mean the basic frames, or actual assaults, or logis? And if assaults or logis, what meta lvl were they? I've heard anything under proto is completely useless. And the assault suits aren't much better than the basic frames.
1. Yes, I go 1v1 vs Proto suits; sorry for leaving that descriptor out 2. Yes, this is vs all types of Proto suits
It's about tactics and approaching situations without rushing into combat. As the other poster mentioned, many Proto's are over confident and feel that their suits make them unbeatable. Use that against them; lure them into situations where you have the upper hand. Even better: flank flank flank flank. I can't emphasize this enough - flanking, not running head first into combat, is the key to winning any situation. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:45:00 -
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Here is my Gallente Advanced medium frame suit. It can stand up pretty well against proto bears thanks to the damage mods slots.
Suit: Gallente Basic Medium frame G/1 Low: 2x Complex armor plates (or 1x complex + 1x basic if the speed hit is too much) Low: Complex armor repairer Medium: 2x Enhanced Damage Modifiers AR: GEK38 or GLU TAC AR when I feel like using a cheap weapon. Grenade: Standard locus grenade Equipment: Standard Nanohive (working on getting the advanced version, as the standard one barely supplies enough ammo) |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
302
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:46:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:There are a couple of things that you could do to help yourself. You could downgrade to a GLU-5 TAR - this reduces the isk cost very significantly, at the cost of 6 bullets in the clip. The damage reduction genuinely isn't noticeable. You could adjust your tactics. If you're going toe to toe with a protosuit, then perhaps you should change your tactics. If that toe to toe situation changes to you coming up behind them, you should be able to drop them relatively easily. Just got to make sure your shots land.
I mostly use the GLU, and it works all right. I can usually 1v1 a proto suit, sometimes, and just get out alive, but the problem is the sheer number of proto suits running around with proto tac ARs and tanked logi suits. By the time I get 2 or 3 shots, them or their friend have spotted me and got me down to half health. I'll then fire randomly in their direction, trying to find my attacker. I'll then switch to my advanced SMG, since my tac AR is almost out of ammo and almost useless in the close quarters fire fight that is about to insue, but I'm almost out of health, there are two or more of them, and guess what, SMGs kinda suck unless you have the drop on someone or are finishing them off. So, guess who wins. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
253
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:48:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered. Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. But, were they proto suits? You never said anything about the suits' meta lvl. And you said assault suits, correct? Did you mean the basic frames, or actual assaults, or logis? And if assaults or logis, what meta lvl were they? I've heard anything under proto is completely useless. And the assault suits aren't much better than the basic frames. He is trying to tell you to forget your stats and wear the militia fits with pride. You are gonna get your butt kicked, but you need to choose between epeen stats and money. |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:52:00 -
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Your problem is going to battle with a Duvolle Tactical AR. Don't you know how much each one costs? If you lose one of those suits in battle you're almost guaranteed to lose money. |
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CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
76
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:53:00 -
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here's a tip, if it's a proto scout you're OK, just played Domination with WTF and almost all of the enemy team were in proto scout suits, i probably took out 10 along with 3 or 4 heavies.
if they have a tactical assault rifle, run away. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
991
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:54:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:slypie11 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered. Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. But, were they proto suits? You never said anything about the suits' meta lvl. And you said assault suits, correct? Did you mean the basic frames, or actual assaults, or logis? And if assaults or logis, what meta lvl were they? I've heard anything under proto is completely useless. And the assault suits aren't much better than the basic frames. He is trying to tell you to forget your stats and wear the militia fits with pride. You are gonna get your butt kicked, but you need to choose between epeen stats and money.
Actually I'm trying to say you can beat them without the "fancy" gear with planning and tactics; just because you are losing to them now does not mean that they are overpowered. It could be that he is getting outplayed (which is what I tend to believe based on my own experience). |
Malthus Kanira
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
0
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:54:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:So, I am a decent player with about 4 mil sp. My best fit is an advanced med frame with a duvolle tac ar, three complex shield extenders, and a standard locus grenade. Unfortunately, it cannot stand up to the proto logis and such, and coupled with my pretty high death rate, my inability to play much, and my relatively small isk payout with the respec, I'm losing money fast.
I've tried using militia gear, but with it's current state and the abundance of proto bears, it just isn't a viable option. Something has to be done.
If you can't stand up to that using a D-TAR, you need to rethink a few things. |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
34
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:56:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit.
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Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
992
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:58:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit.
Hey Reg - why are you displeased? |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
34
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:00:00 -
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Malthus Kanira wrote:slypie11 wrote:So, I am a decent player with about 4 mil sp. My best fit is an advanced med frame with a duvolle tac ar, three complex shield extenders, and a standard locus grenade. Unfortunately, it cannot stand up to the proto logis and such, and coupled with my pretty high death rate, my inability to play much, and my relatively small isk payout with the respec, I'm losing money fast.
I've tried using militia gear, but with it's current state and the abundance of proto bears, it just isn't a viable option. Something has to be done. If you can't stand up to that using a D-TAR, you need to rethink a few things.
OMG PIE IS IN DUST OMFG
PM BRAH |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
34
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:01:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Hey Reg - why are you displeased?
Sorry I responded to the wrong post lol |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
34
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:03:00 -
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Osiris Ausare wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible).
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:08:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible). Hey Reg, I assume you had the problem described here? |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
992
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:08:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible).
To be fair, Reg is one of the best, and while I have successfully 1v1 him before, he succumbs the best tactics rarely. I've only seen him lose as many as 5 suits in a match once, and that was against a full squad of ZionTCD in an Ambush, and it was about 6 months ago.
EDIT: Yes, I am giving props to someone I normally wouldn't; this is probably because of his tutorial vidoes that shows he's not a complete ****. |
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ReGnYuM
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
35
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:11:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible). Hey Reg, I assume you had the problem described here?
Ausare is being an E-Bully |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:13:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:So, I am a decent player with about 4 mil sp. My best fit is an advanced med frame with a duvolle tac ar, three complex shield extenders, and a standard locus grenade. Unfortunately, it cannot stand up to the proto logis and such, and coupled with my pretty high death rate, my inability to play much, and my relatively small isk payout with the respec, I'm losing money fast.
I've tried using militia gear, but with it's current state and the abundance of proto bears, it just isn't a viable option. Something has to be done. Maybe you're just bad. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1491
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:13:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible). Hey Reg, I assume you had the problem described here? Ausare is being a E-Bully *an |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:26:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I run the Caldari Assault C-1 suit with a GEK Assautl Rifle, Toxin Submachine Gun, and Packed AV grenades. I have 2 enhanced shield extenders, armor rep, and armor plates. I have about 365 HP in shields, and 212 HP in armor. I routinely 1v1 Assautl suits, and find them to be underpowered in these engagements compared to the beta builds of the game.
Just an observation that Prototype are not overpowered.
Oh and by the way, they are the highest tier suit out there - they are designed to be "beastly", if you will. That is why it costs 100k+ per fully fitted suit. Exactly!! The proto users aren't that powerful, in fact most of them are extremely overconfident and think they are impossible to defeat, it just takes some thought and tactics to take them out (I've seen some "top-notch" beta gunners who are in the top 50 go negative and/or have multiple deaths, just yesterday one of "best gunners" in the game had 5 deaths, no one is invincible). Hey Reg, I assume you had the problem described here? Ausare is being an E-Bully Heh |
ElitePixelEnemy
OverKill Corp
146
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:34:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:So, I am a decent player with about 4 mil sp. My best fit is an advanced med frame with a duvolle tac ar, three complex shield extenders, and a standard locus grenade. Unfortunately, it cannot stand up to the proto logis and such, and coupled with my pretty high death rate, my inability to play much, and my relatively small isk payout with the respec, I'm losing money fast.
I've tried using militia gear, but with it's current state and the abundance of proto bears, it just isn't a viable option. Something has to be done. ok |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
73
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:57:00 -
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Hi OP,
You did not mention if you were running solo. I am not referring to whether you are part of a squad but rather if you are finding yourself isolated from support. I squad could help with this, depending on the members, as they should be more willing to run support if you are the spearhead of the squads attack.
If you are joining random squads who instantly disperse on spawning then I would suggest staying with the largest group of blues you can find.
I have found my experiences with squads, as part of a player corp, have varied a lot depending on the members but I generally do better as part of a squad rather than running solo so long as the individual players remember that they are part of a squad.
Finally get those passive skills to max if you can as you will be able to run cheap militia and STD and still be fairly effective which will help support the more expensive fits, particularly when you get to proto suits. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
303
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Posted - 2013.05.27 21:03:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Hi OP,
You did not mention if you were running solo. I am not referring to whether you are part of a squad but rather if you are finding yourself isolated from support. I squad could help with this, depending on the members, as they should be more willing to run support if you are the spearhead of the squads attack.
If you are joining random squads who instantly disperse on spawning then I would suggest staying with the largest group of blues you can find.
I have found my experiences with squads, as part of a player corp, have varied a lot depending on the members but I generally do better as part of a squad rather than running solo so long as the individual players remember that they are part of a squad.
Finally get those passive skills to max if you can as you will be able to run cheap militia and STD and still be fairly effective which will help support the more expensive fits, particularly when you get to proto suits. I do run with a squad when I can. It is a much better experience. Unfortunately, I just can't play with a squad sometimes and when I do, it is sometimes a very bad one. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2013.05.27 21:30:00 -
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I think a lot of people enter Instant Matchmaking with the mindset of winning games instead of Making money.
If you play instant battles as making money battles with cheap or cost efficient gear, going after some fun objectives like Killing LAVS, Killing Proto suits etc. You'll lost the battle but make more money while having fun that entering the battles with the intention to WIN AT ALL COSTS and losing isk and the match terribly going in solo, making you have no fun, since you're set on getting the win.
TL;DR,
learn to play instant battles for fun with cheap suits, instead of WINNING AT ALL COSTS (which is FW/PC territory) |
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