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Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 117	Posted - 2013.05.27 10:50:00 - [1] - Quote REQUIRED: 1: Stop think that balancing through pub matches will make the game balanced on serious matches. That makes no sense. 2: Give the vehicle engineering skill 3-5% PG bonus instead of the it's only a reduction to the CPU, as it's only 25 CPU. 3: (this will help AV'ers too) Get rid of packed AV nades, make regular AV nades do 800 at Standard, 1000 at Advanced, and 1200 at Prototype. Also, get rid of their homing. Then, change their name to packed AV nades. 4: (cont. from #3) Make sleek do 600 at Standard, 800 at Advanced, and 1000 at Prototype. Make their homing speed faster and lock on farther, and their flight distance farther. Call them reglar AV nades. 5: Create these turret skills- Sharphooter- Increases optimal range. rapid Fire- Increases rate of fire (only for turrets without heat buildup). coolant systems- Reduces heat buildup of turrets (only fir turrets with heat buildup). Fitting efficiency- Decreases fitting requirements of turrets. These would go under the turret upgrades skill. 6: fix the glitch where at a certain distance, you can't see people, and anything that they shoot. 7: Make swarms glow a bright yellow again. 8: Give all vehicles a warning that they are being locked on. 9: Fix the turning angles of Swarms; Make them go straight to you, not to wherever you were, then go to you. SUGUESTIONS: 1: return the MLT LAV's back to their original HP. 2: Give only 50% of the buff that STD LAV's got. 3: Leave the SLAV's and the LLV's alone. 4: Raise the base resistance of all HAV's (in exception of MLT HAV's); HAV's get 15%, BOHAV's get 25%, Marauders get 30%. 5: Raise all speeds of vehicles, leave acceleration as is, but only when you have larger maps. 6: Instead of cooldowns, we get a capacitor (We were supposed to in the first place, and would be far better than the way now.). 7: Create More open maps. 8: Give they ability to shoot down swarms. That's all I got in my head for now. tweak all you like. Peace, Godin
Otoky DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 103	Posted - 2013.05.27 10:54:00 - [2] - Quote +1 again for the constructive feedback and great idea. And posting in the right place
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 117	Posted - 2013.05.27 10:56:00 - [3] - Quote lol, thx. Just want to help (as I have been for over a year now) make this game a great, AAA shooter.
Otoky DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 103	Posted - 2013.05.27 10:59:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, thx. Just want to help (as I have been for over a year now) make this game a great, AAA shooter. Omg, you just collecting my likes
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 118	Posted - 2013.05.27 11:07:00 - [5] - Quote LOL
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 121	Posted - 2013.05.27 11:19:00 - [6] - Quote bump
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 121	Posted - 2013.05.27 11:31:00 - [7] - Quote Anyone else got any suguestions for this issue, or tweaks to my ideas?
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 121	Posted - 2013.05.27 11:45:00 - [8] - Quote If any GM's, CPM's, or even dev's are on, can you review these ideas?
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 123	Posted - 2013.05.27 12:24:00 - [9] - Quote bump
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 159	Posted - 2013.05.27 12:37:00 - [10] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: REQUIRED: 1: Stop think that balancing through pub matches will make the game balanced on serious matches. That makes no sense. 2: Give the vehicle engineering skill 3-5% PG bonus instead of the it's only a reduction to the CPU, as it's only 25 CPU. 3: (this will help AV'ers too) Get rid of packed AV nades, make regular AV nades do 800 at Standard, 1000 at Advanced, and 1200 at Prototype. Also, get rid of their homing. Then, change their name to packed AV nades. 4: (cont. from #3) Make sleek do 600 at Standard, 800 at Advanced, and 1000 at Prototype. Make their homing speed faster and lock on farther, and their flight distance farther. Call them reglar AV nades. 5: Create these turret skills- Sharphooter- Increases optimal range. rapid Fire- Increases rate of fire (only for turrets without heat buildup). coolant systems- Reduces heat buildup of turrets (only fir turrets with heat buildup). Fitting efficiency- Decreases fitting requirements of turrets. These would go under the turret upgrades skill. 6: fix the glitch where at a certain distance, you can't see people, and anything that they shoot. 7: Make swarms glow a bright yellow again. 8: Give all vehicles a warning that they are being locked on. 9: Fix the turning angles of Swarms; Make them go straight to you, not to wherever you were, then go to you. SUGUESTIONS: 1: return the MLT LAV's back to their original HP. 2: Give only 50% of the buff that STD LAV's got. 3: Leave the SLAV's and the LLV's alone. 4: Raise the base resistance of all HAV's (in exception of MLT HAV's); HAV's get 15%, BOHAV's get 25%, Marauders get 30%. 5: Raise all speeds of vehicles, leave acceleration as is, but only when you have larger maps. 6: Instead of cooldowns, we get a capacitor (We were supposed to in the first place, and would be far better than the way now.). 7: Create More open maps. 8: Give they ability to shoot down swarms. Overall, your "requirements" section seems like excellent changes and very reasonable. That said, I don't like the idea of making the swarms glow (it's your job, in avoiding them, to do your best to be aware; it's bad enough we have grenade indicators on the HUD). I'd also be opposed to lock-on indicators on ground vehicles, if only because this wouldn't really help a LAV (if the AV user knows what he's doing, the LAV's dead either way), and tanks are already being MISused (they are NOT solo pwn-mobiles, but rather if you're in tight quarters are supposed to be supported by infantry; in an open field they're screwed anyway, a lock-on indicator would do no good for them), but for dropships I see no problem, as they're rather squishy to begin with, and flying them low and around obstacles (only way to lose a swarm, generally) is extremely skill-intensive, a tiny bit of warning wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing (and would just make sense; all modern combat aircraft have systems to give you bearing on incoming radar signals). As to your suggestions, I can't say I agree with much of any of them. As far as hit points go, everything seems fairly well-balanced, if you know how to fit your ****. Further, if we replace cooldowns for modules with traditional cycle times and capacitor use from EVE then you're effectively giving them a massive improvement in tanking ability. That said, I'm all in favour of replacing cooldowns with capacitor and cycles times, but it needs to be done very carefully, and it needs to be done in such a way that the end result on survivability of tanks is left largely unaffected; the end result should be no more than making capacitor management a (player) skill factor in how well you can keep it alive, vs simply popping a heal and then waiting out the cooldown. I don't really see an issue with vehicles' speeds as they are, and there are modules you can equip to improve speed. This is something that should be addressed via fitting choices, not adjustments to the base speeds. More large maps (not necessarily more open; we've got too many wannabe snipers wasting slots and not contributing usefully as it is) would be awesome, and I believe are very much planned (they'll need to be, given that we're eventually getting fighter-style aircraft, not just the current helicopter-style dropships). As for shooting down swarms, that would depend on implementation. It should take skill, timing, and the use of a fitting slot for the countermeasure equipment to do it (just like you need to fit smartbombs in EVE if you want to shoot down missiles; ok, yeah, there's defenders too, but everyone knows they don't actually work in a "real [eve] world" situation). As it stands now, the deciding factors with swarms are how good the shooter is in judging their behaviour and when to fire, and the target's skill in avoidance; that's a good thing. As a further note on swarms, I very much like that they travel forward a ways prior to tracking, as this makes them far more useful. Especially since we can't dumb-fire them (we need to be able to and have them not track at all), the ability to should them around a corner if positioned correctly is very important (especially against tanks). Take the real-world example of the JAVELIN, which flies towards and over the target, prior to flying straight down at it to exploit the weaker armour from above. Without some ability to fly a ways and then round a corner you make the only really viable AV weapon in close quarters the AV nades, and then you need to get right up on top of the tank. One last thing, as to "fitting efficiency," there are already skills in the game that reduce fitting requirements. I'd have to pull up the names, but I'm fairly certain there's both an infantry and vehicle equivalent to EVE's Weapon Upgrades and Advanced Weapon Upgrades, which reduce CPU and PG use respectively.

Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.05.27 12:43:00 - [11] - Quote There is no skill that reduces turret fitting requirements, while dropsuit weapons do
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 159	Posted - 2013.05.27 13:09:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: There is no skill that reduces turret fitting requirements, while dropsuit weapons do Easy enough to fix that one, at least.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.27 19:24:00 - [13] - Quote 1: The reason why I think they should glow yellow is because the currently blend into the map. This would help show where they are coming from. 2: That's not true. That would be so useful if my LLV's and HAV's had lock on warnings. That way, I'd had a fair warning that I'm about to get shot. Plus, many RL ground vehicles have lock on warnings too. 3: The reason why I said the speeds should be increased is because of the fact that it would take hours to cross maps that CCP plans on making (they said they're going for 50km-¦ sized maps.). Even if you go full speed (you won't), the maps aren't completely flat. It's for transportaton purposes. 3: This is how I think you should shoot them down. You got 2 ways- 1: you use your guns to shoot them down. They get shield HP to protect themselves, say 150-300 HP per missile. This way, Small turrets could be used as a defense. You can even make AI turrets that although can't hit dropsuits, they can shoot at swarms. There should even be a skill increasing the hp of each swarm. 2: There should a module that "Supercharges" your hull, confusing the swarms and make them explode. Hope this explains me better. Peace, Godin
Ecshon Autorez Nova Tech Marines Hephaestus Forge Alliance 41	Posted - 2013.05.27 20:05:00 - [14] - Quote This thread is mostly about an AV equipment idea, but there are some ideas for vehicle modules in here too. AV melee-range equipment
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.27 23:34:00 - [15] - Quote Bump
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 342	Posted - 2013.05.28 13:13:00 - [16] - Quote I agree except give us a 6% PG skill. Everything else is dandy.
Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 25	Posted - 2013.05.28 14:12:00 - [17] - Quote Make it when you run over a person with any vehicle you take damage, say for LAVs you take 90% of their heath for damage for HAVs 30-10%.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 173	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:01:00 - [18] - Quote Wojciak wrote: Make it when you run over a person with any vehicle you take damage, say for LAVs you take 90% of their heath for damage for HAVs 30-10%. Ever gotten in an accident with a car made of metal? They usually drive away, even if hitting another car. These are combat vehicles, built for this ****, a tank shouldn't take any damage at all for running somone over, it's a goddamn tank. Make the LAV take the same damage as any other minor environmental collision (maybe with some scaling based on target mass; if armor plates don't raise mass like they do in EVE, make them.)
Raze galder Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 60	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:03:00 - [19] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: The reason why I think they should glow yellow is because the currently blend into the map. This would help show where they are coming from. 2: That's not true. That would be so useful if my LLV's and HAV's had lock on warnings. That way, I'd had a fair warning that I'm about to get shot. Plus, many RL ground vehicles have lock on warnings too. 3: The reason why I said the speeds should be increased is because of the fact that it would take hours to cross maps that CCP plans on making (they said they're going for 50km-¦ sized maps.). Even if you go full speed (you won't), the maps aren't completely flat. It's for transportaton purposes. 3: This is how I think you should shoot them down. You got 2 ways- 1: you use your guns to shoot them down. They get shield HP to protect themselves, say 150-300 HP per missile. This way, Small turrets could be used as a defense. You can even make AI turrets that although can't hit dropsuits, they can shoot at swarms. There should even be a skill increasing the hp of each swarm. 2: There should a module that "Supercharges" your hull, confusing the swarms and make them explode. Hope this explains me better. Peace, Godin They could make an ai turret module that you equip and use like a shield repper that when activated will attempt to shoot down incoming missiles or a module that allows tanks to disperse a cloud that causes swarms to lose lock.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 173	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:31:00 - [20] - Quote I really don't like the idea of active countermeasures. There's some merit in player-skill-based stuff, like trying to shoot them down with blasters, or like using smartbombs in EVE, and what should be the primary method: outmaneuvering them through the terrain. You have to remember that this isn't built like Battlefield, no matter how much like it, it plays. In battlefield, your health and durability doesn't change. Here, it does. Improving your tank (as in tanking, not the HAV specifically) is the primary method for this after avoidance. As it stands now, if you tank your HAV or DS well, it significantly increases the amount of incoming AV necessary to take it out. This isn't a problem, the counter is more AV, better AV (by skilling up and fitting it, just like he skilled up and fitted a better tank), or a combination of the two. Introducing active countermeasures would have a massively disproportional impact on this balance dynamic, as it would mean you would need orders of magnitude more people with weaker AV AND aignificantly more people with the better AV. The result doesn't seem desirable for the intended balance dynamic.

Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 25	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:37:00 - [21] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Wojciak wrote: Make it when you run over a person with any vehicle you take damage, say for LAVs you take 90% of their heath for damage for HAVs 30-10%. Ever gotten in an accident with a car made of metal? They usually drive away, even if hitting another car. These are combat vehicles, built for this ****, a tank shouldn't take any damage at all for running somone over, it's a goddamn tank. Make the LAV take the same damage as any other minor environmental collision (maybe with some scaling based on target mass; if armor plates don't raise mass like they do in EVE, make them.) I jump from a mcc and walk it off like it was nothing, i can have as much or more total health than a LAV. You are also talking nonsense because with the speeds that the LAVs are moving one crash would make driving one so much harder of not impossible, and just because they can drive away dose not mean that the driver would be alive to do so.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 173	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:48:00 - [22] - Quote Wojciak wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Wojciak wrote: Make it when you run over a person with any vehicle you take damage, say for LAVs you take 90% of their heath for damage for HAVs 30-10%. Ever gotten in an accident with a car made of metal? They usually drive away, even if hitting another car. These are combat vehicles, built for this ****, a tank shouldn't take any damage at all for running somone over, it's a goddamn tank. Make the LAV take the same damage as any other minor environmental collision (maybe with some scaling based on target mass; if armor plates don't raise mass like they do in EVE, make them.) I jump from a mcc and walk it off like it was nothing, i can have as much or more total health than a LAV. You are also talking nonsense because with the speeds that the LAVs are moving one crash would make driving one so much harder of not impossible, and just because they can drive away dose not mean that the driver would be alive to do so. You jump from the MCC and activate an inertial dampener in your suit so you don't crater. Point negated. You're not actually driving all that fast, less than 100KPH (about 50-60MPH). Point negated. Vehicle is equipped with inertial dampeners, the passenger doesn't feel the collision. Point negated. The fact of the matter is that there isn't an issue with road kill or AV in the game. Situational awareness and use of cover protect you in the closes areas. If you in the open, situational awareness is generally enough, but if not, it's your own fault for hoofing it. Lastly, killing LAVs is so ridiculously easy if you pick up some AV, so if you're not willing to dodge or even pay attention for them, shoot them when you respawn. I don't generally road rage (i'll run over any targets of opportunity on the way to where i'm going, but an lav is transport and a mobile turret to me, nothing more), but I do love taking out LAVs with my swarms. Why? Because it's so goddamn easy. Quit complaining about the non-issue and adapt to the situation. Pay attention to your surroundings, and put the AV gear to work. If they'd allow swarms to be dumb-fired and just not have a lock-on when you do then you wouldn't even be as disadvantaged in terms of fighting back against non-vehicles.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:54:00 - [23] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Wojciak wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Wojciak wrote: Make it when you run over a person with any vehicle you take damage, say for LAVs you take 90% of their heath for damage for HAVs 30-10%. Ever gotten in an accident with a car made of metal? They usually drive away, even if hitting another car. These are combat vehicles, built for this ****, a tank shouldn't take any damage at all for running somone over, it's a goddamn tank. Make the LAV take the same damage as any other minor environmental collision (maybe with some scaling based on target mass; if armor plates don't raise mass like they do in EVE, make them.) I jump from a mcc and walk it off like it was nothing, i can have as much or more total health than a LAV. You are also talking nonsense because with the speeds that the LAVs are moving one crash would make driving one so much harder of not impossible, and just because they can drive away dose not mean that the driver would be alive to do so. You jump from the MCC and activate an inertial dampener in your suit so you don't crater. Point negated. You're not actually driving all that fast, less than 100KPH (about 50-60MPH). Point negated. Vehicle is equipped with inertial dampeners, the passenger doesn't feel the collision. Point negated. The fact of the matter is that there isn't an issue with road kill or AV in the game. Situational awareness and use of cover protect you in the closes areas. If you in the open, situational awareness is generally enough, but if not, it's your own fault for hoofing it. Lastly, killing LAVs is so ridiculously easy if you pick up some AV, so if you're not willing to dodge or even pay attention for them, shoot them when you respawn. I don't generally road rage (i'll run over any targets of opportunity on the way to where i'm going, but an lav is transport and a mobile turret to me, nothing more), but I do love taking out LAVs with my swarms. Why? Because it's so goddamn easy. Quit complaining about the non-issue and adapt to the situation. Pay attention to your surroundings, and put the AV gear to work. If they'd allow swarms to be dumb-fired and just not have a lock-on when you do then you wouldn't even be as disadvantaged in terms of fighting back against non-vehicles. You forgot one thing: There is no way in hell you can have as much eHP or even HP than either a LAV or LLV. point negated Peace, Godin
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 173	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:02:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Wojciak wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Wojciak wrote: Make it when you run over a person with any vehicle you take damage, say for LAVs you take 90% of their heath for damage for HAVs 30-10%. Ever gotten in an accident with a car made of metal? They usually drive away, even if hitting another car. These are combat vehicles, built for this ****, a tank shouldn't take any damage at all for running somone over, it's a goddamn tank. Make the LAV take the same damage as any other minor environmental collision (maybe with some scaling based on target mass; if armor plates don't raise mass like they do in EVE, make them.) I jump from a mcc and walk it off like it was nothing, i can have as much or more total health than a LAV. You are also talking nonsense because with the speeds that the LAVs are moving one crash would make driving one so much harder of not impossible, and just because they can drive away dose not mean that the driver would be alive to do so. You jump from the MCC and activate an inertial dampener in your suit so you don't crater. Point negated. You're not actually driving all that fast, less than 100KPH (about 50-60MPH). Point negated. Vehicle is equipped with inertial dampeners, the passenger doesn't feel the collision. Point negated. The fact of the matter is that there isn't an issue with road kill or AV in the game. Situational awareness and use of cover protect you in the closes areas. If you in the open, situational awareness is generally enough, but if not, it's your own fault for hoofing it. Lastly, killing LAVs is so ridiculously easy if you pick up some AV, so if you're not willing to dodge or even pay attention for them, shoot them when you respawn. I don't generally road rage (i'll run over any targets of opportunity on the way to where i'm going, but an lav is transport and a mobile turret to me, nothing more), but I do love taking out LAVs with my swarms. Why? Because it's so goddamn easy. Quit complaining about the non-issue and adapt to the situation. Pay attention to your surroundings, and put the AV gear to work. If they'd allow swarms to be dumb-fired and just not have a lock-on when you do then you wouldn't even be as disadvantaged in terms of fighting back against non-vehicles. You forgot one thing: There is no way in hell you can have as much eHP or even HP than either a LAV or LLV. point negated Peace, Godin Not really. That was simply a bad formula to use for figuring damage to the vehicle running over infantry; relative hitpoints between them is irrelevant, especially when it comes to shields; shields don't make you heavier or harder to "push", if anything happened there it'd send the infantry flying and the vehicle's shields barely flicker. Do you really think a tank is going to take damage from running over infantry, even with the power armour? Not likely lol As to the LAVs, they have significant armour and shields themselves, they can crash into a wall and not take crippling damage (nor should they, at the speeds they're moving and the tech involved). The fix is situational awareness and actually using your AV options, not effectively nerfing vehicles across the board. Just be glad it's not like the original planetside, now THAT had broken road kill mechanics; so much as bump someone while barely moving and they're dead.
Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 25	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:23:00 - [25] - Quote Watch this and say that 60mph dose not cause that bad of a crash. also if you have more that 500 shields you can fall from a mcc and take little to no damage to you armor (No dampener). Tanks do take damage from running things over and most of that damage is to the tracks and would cripple a tank if they do not get fixed. As i have said in one thread, let the tracks have health and if we take them out the tank is crippled ( not moving). running people over should not be a sound way to get kills, running people over can kill you or the people around you, pedestrians and deer tend to crash through the windshield or fly over close to the roof, (dead driver and dead passenger, or dead gunner)
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:38:00 - [26] - Quote Wojciak wrote: Watch this and say that 60mph dose not cause that bad of a crash. also if you have more that 500 shields you can fall from a mcc and take little to no damage to you armor (No dampener). Tanks do take damage from running things over and most of that damage is to the tracks and would cripple a tank if they do not get fixed. As i have said in one thread, let the tracks have health and if we take them out the tank is crippled ( not moving). running people over should not be a sound way to get kills, running people over can kill you or the people around you, pedestrians and deer tend to crash through the windshield or fly over close to the roof, (dead driver and dead passenger, or dead gunner) Are you seriously relating a civilian car in the present time to a military attack vehicle made to sustain several tank shots 20 thousand years in the future? Plus, have you ever thought of, I don't know.... DODGING? Like damn, it's not like it's hard, of course unless your a armor tanked heavy. You seriously need to rethink how you want things, as I already do flips and take some damage hitting you fools in a road. So take advice: STAY THE **** OUT THE ROAD. Peace, Godin
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:46:00 - [27] - Quote sorry Godin, i dont think all you say in the OP is really going to help. the AV grenade is only there for one thing, and is purpose built to do that really well. so changing what is built to do only one thing, and changing to do that worse than it does now does not make sense. as for shooting down chasing swarms... that could lead to some issues for some things, since as Geirskoegul said, it might make a bit of imbalance that grows worse. honestly Tanks could use their Engineering skill again, but the turrets themselves are just fine, they work as they are supposed to, thought the Large blaster could use a smidge shorter range.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation 342	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:04:00 - [28] - Quote It's not going to be enough to tweak HP and damage. Either vehicles will have enough HP to stand against AV or they won't. At best vehicle operation becomes a game of "fight for a minute, hide behind a building for a minute and regen", which isn't a fun playstyle for anyone. What we need is a totally new paradigm for how vehicles interact with the battlefield.
Text Grant Illuminati.. 8	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:05:00 - [29] - Quote Everyone is looking to make LAV's immortal to the ground soldiers that don't have swarms or forge guns. AV grenades are built to do high damage to vehicles and only vehicles. Do not nerf a purpose built tool that is under powered at the moment anyway. A well built militia shield LAV can take multiple prototype packed grenades.
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:10:00 - [30] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Everyone is looking to make LAV's immortal to the ground soldiers that don't have swarms or forge guns. AV grenades are built to do high damage to vehicles and only vehicles. Do not nerf a purpose built tool that is under powered at the moment anyway. A well built militia shield LAV can take multiple prototype packed grenades. damned straight, the AV is our only way to make any vehicle back off when you dont have acess to any other things like Swarms,works great for softening a tank before a forge gun lands a shot too. Right now LAVs are freebie Militiashit murder taxis, and are difficult to kill even with swarms, i expect STD and above LAVs to be tough to kill, but the didiculousness of the free print is... staggering

Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 26	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:10:00 - [31] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Wojciak wrote: Watch this and say that 60mph dose not cause that bad of a crash. also if you have more that 500 shields you can fall from a mcc and take little to no damage to you armor (No dampener). Tanks do take damage from running things over and most of that damage is to the tracks and would cripple a tank if they do not get fixed. As i have said in one thread, let the tracks have health and if we take them out the tank is crippled ( not moving). running people over should not be a sound way to get kills, running people over can kill you or the people around you, pedestrians and deer tend to crash through the windshield or fly over close to the roof, (dead driver and dead passenger, or dead gunner) Are you seriously relating a civilian car in the present time to a military attack vehicle made to sustain several tank shots 20 thousand years in the future? Plus, have you ever thought of, I don't know.... DODGING? Like damn, it's not like it's hard, of course unless your a armor tanked heavy. You seriously need to rethink how you want things, as I already do flips and take some damage hitting you fools in a road. So take advice: STAY THE **** OUT THE ROAD. Peace, Godin There are two things wrong with what you are thinking. 1. if a 35 mph car crash is totaling a car nowadays a 60 mph would damage or rend inoperable any car military or not in anyny time or kill the people in it. there would be more force i any crash with the LAVs in this game 2. a normal car nowadays can survive a few shots from a tank and still work/run. finally this is a game and i am just trying to help balance it, but running over people is fun.
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 80	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:23:00 - [32] - Quote Wojciak wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Wojciak wrote: Watch this and say that 60mph dose not cause that bad of a crash. also if you have more that 500 shields you can fall from a mcc and take little to no damage to you armor (No dampener). Tanks do take damage from running things over and most of that damage is to the tracks and would cripple a tank if they do not get fixed. As i have said in one thread, let the tracks have health and if we take them out the tank is crippled ( not moving). running people over should not be a sound way to get kills, running people over can kill you or the people around you, pedestrians and deer tend to crash through the windshield or fly over close to the roof, (dead driver and dead passenger, or dead gunner) Are you seriously relating a civilian car in the present time to a military attack vehicle made to sustain several tank shots 20 thousand years in the future? Plus, have you ever thought of, I don't know.... DODGING? Like damn, it's not like it's hard, of course unless your a armor tanked heavy. You seriously need to rethink how you want things, as I already do flips and take some damage hitting you fools in a road. So take advice: STAY THE **** OUT THE ROAD. Peace, Godin There are two things wrong with what you are thinking. 1. if a 35 mph car crash is totaling a car nowadays a 60 mph would damage or rend inoperable any car military or not in anyny time or kill the people in it. there would be more force i any crash with the LAVs in this game 2. a normal car nowadays can survive a few shots from a tank and still work/run. finally this is a game and i am just trying to help balance it, but running over people is fun. agreed big time, seeing 10 LAVs on the feild running over people is not entertaining, it just makes me want to sit back and... do nothing untill that demo derby is done. because i'd like to not get run over by some fool with the derp mentality of least possible work. there should be some risk to the driver for running over someone that is covered in a shield that can repulse bullets and plasma, and plated with enough armor to not get instantly melted by a laser. that's alot to splat with a free car, and that car should definatly take damage from it... my thought is if you're hitting someone, the amount of damage you actually deal to kill that person should be removed from your own armor/sheild... meaning you hit a well decked out heavy, you are gonna lose over 1000total points of armor/sheilds
Ecshon Autorez NOVA TECH MARINES Hephaestus Forge Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:52:00 - [33] - Quote Rachoi wrote: that's alot to splat with a free car, and that car should definatly take damage from it... my thought is if you're hitting someone, the amount of damage you actually deal to kill that person should be removed from your own armor/sheild... meaning you hit a well decked out heavy, you are gonna lose over 1000total points of armor/sheilds Makes sense. +1
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.29 01:04:00 - [34] - Quote stops actual thread Godin's about to give you guys a word of advice: STAY THE **** OUT THE ROAD. Notice, that if you stay in areas that I can't hit you in, or you do what every good player does, and pulls out swarms. adapt or die. resumes actual thread
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 81	Posted - 2013.05.29 01:06:00 - [35] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: stops actual thread Godin's about to give you guys a word of advice: STAY THE **** OUT THE ROAD. Notice, that if you stay in areas that I can't hit you in, or you do what every good player does, and pulls out swarms. adapt or die. resumes actual thread yes yes yes, and you are the end all driver... pfft, useless ****. jsut staying out of the raod doesnt help if we have no supply depots, since people have a habit of destroying those
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.29 01:07:00 - [36] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: REQUIRED: 1: Stop think that balancing through pub matches will make the game balanced on serious matches. That makes no sense. 2: Give the vehicle engineering skill 3-5% PG bonus instead of the it's only a reduction to the CPU, as it's only 25 CPU. 3: (this will help AV'ers too) Get rid of packed AV nades, make regular AV nades do 800 at Standard, 1000 at Advanced, and 1200 at Prototype. Also, get rid of their homing. Then, change their name to packed AV nades. 4: (cont. from #3) Make sleek do 600 at Standard, 800 at Advanced, and 1000 at Prototype. Make their homing speed faster and lock on farther, and their flight distance farther. Call them reglar AV nades. 5: Create these turret skills- Sharphooter- Increases optimal range. rapid Fire- Increases rate of fire (only for turrets without heat buildup). coolant systems- Reduces heat buildup of turrets (only fir turrets with heat buildup). Fitting efficiency- Decreases fitting requirements of turrets. These would go under the turret upgrades skill. 6: fix the glitch where at a certain distance, you can't see people, and anything that they shoot. 7: Make swarms glow a bright yellow again. 8: Give all vehicles a warning that they are being locked on. 9: Fix the turning angles of Swarms; Make them go straight to you, not to wherever you were, then go to you. 10: (forgot this one) Remove BPO MLT LAV's. They annoy everyone. SUGUESTIONS: 1: return the MLT LAV's back to their original HP. 2: Give only 50% of the buff that STD LAV's got. 3: Leave the SLAV's and the LLV's alone. 4: Raise the base resistance of all HAV's (in exception of MLT HAV's); HAV's get 15%, BOHAV's get 25%, Marauders get 30%. 5: Raise all speeds of vehicles, leave acceleration as is, but only when you have larger maps. 6: Instead of cooldowns, we get a capacitor (We were supposed to in the first place, and would be far better than the way now.). 7: Create More open maps. 8: Give they ability to shoot down swarms. 9: Buff the DCU's by 3-5%. That's all I got in my head for now. tweak all you like. Peace, Godin
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.29 01:08:00 - [37] - Quote ignore
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 126	Posted - 2013.05.29 01:09:00 - [38] - Quote Rachoi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: stops actual thread Godin's about to give you guys a word of advice: STAY THE **** OUT THE ROAD. Notice, that if you stay in areas that I can't hit you in, or you do what every good player does, and pulls out swarms. adapt or die. resumes actual thread yes yes yes, and you are the end all driver... pfft, useless ****. jsut staying out of the raod doesnt help if we have no supply depots, since people have a habit of destroying those Then stop being a fool and use AV nades
Text Grant Illuminati.. 8	Posted - 2013.05.29 01:26:00 - [39] - Quote AV nades dont kill LAV's anymore. Nor do proxy mines. You need about 3 to kill them before they run you over in .5 seconds.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 178	Posted - 2013.05.29 05:23:00 - [40] - Quote Rachoi wrote: Text Grant wrote: Everyone is looking to make LAV's immortal to the ground soldiers that don't have swarms or forge guns. AV grenades are built to do high damage to vehicles and only vehicles. Do not nerf a purpose built tool that is under powered at the moment anyway. A well built militia shield LAV can take multiple prototype packed grenades. damned straight, the AV is our only way to make any vehicle back off when you dont have acess to any other things like Swarms,works great for softening a tank before a forge gun lands a shot too. Right now LAVs are freebie Militiashit murder taxis, and are difficult to kill even with swarms, i expect STD and above LAVs to be tough to kill, but the didiculousness of the free print is... staggering Militia swarm launcher doesn't seem to be giving me any problems racking up MASSIVE points on all those murder taxis lol. Most times it only takes one shot, you just have to actually know how to use the thing and how it behaves so that all four missiles hit (not hard at all with a minimum of practice.) Even against higher-end variants, and fit with good tanks, it's still only 2-3 volleys to drop them; easy points. My advice to anyone in a match with lots of murder taxis is just pull out a fit with a swarm and an SMG, and just rack up those points on the murder taxis; the SMG works great in close to deal with defending objectives.



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