some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills

some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills

And who would that be?

I really felt that last build was at a very good place in terms of balance with a few minor exceptions. Viziams had 20 base damage by mistake (Wolfman revealed it wasn't intentional), marauder tanks were overpriced with no real advantage, and as usual dropships sucked.
There were some crappy weapon variants, but nothing was really overpowered. Everything had a purpose, strengths to fear, and weaknesses to exploit.
You could beat an HMG user if you used range or teamwork. You could avoid being killed by lasers if you used cover, or got close. You could beat a mass driver user if you weren't too close, or had good aim (AR had better DPS even if all MD shots were direct hits). You could take out a well-built tank if you were persistent enough or used teamwork. These all got pointlessly nerfed though.

Shotguns can be used legitimately in PC when you are on defense. The would be SO MUCH BETTER! if framerate didn't drop for most of us in cqc. And lag.

Both the TAC and the regular AR are legitimate weapons useful in different situations. This is better than Chromosome where it was only the standard AR.

MD still has it's uses and seems to scare the **** out of me armor tanking squad mates, but Chromosome was better.

Viziam works perfectly fine on Manus Peak. The problem is most ambush maps need adaptability and the viziam doesn't have that. The sight sucks (blinded by your own lazer? It's a coherent beam, it should glare like that!)

SCR needs a buff or AR's in general need a nerf, but the gun is still fun.

No one notices how OP the scrambler pistol is.

The SMG is devastating+0 at higher levels in the hands of a minmatar assault.

Eff proto forge guns!

HMG is FINE! Shorter range with the STD variant, making the assault actually have a purpose to exist now. Heavies have a role and when they play to that, they dominate.

In the hands of a pro the flaylock seems to be deadly.

LOL @ plasma cannon

Tanks are fine, need proto tanks.

LLAV's innate tool sucks, making it only useful as a murder taxi and a remote spider repper.

Scout LAV sucks

some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills

Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it.
Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles.

In other words, The only major balance change that was needed last build was to correct the viziam's damage, but apparently, everything was redone.
Happy?

It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on.

Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it.
Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles.

In other words, The only major balance change that was needed last build was to correct the viziam's damage, but apparently, everything was redone.
Happy?

It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on.

nublet is a nublet no matter the build. you cried every build about the ARs, (and bosted about being as good or better then reflex, bonney, xander w/ pistols yet went negative everytime saw you) yet blame the community, instead of ccp? only thing ar people have wanted overall are some type of sight back. ccp thinks tampering makes things better, yet they only make things worse. breach ar still sucks, burst is still worthless, tac is "op", and need lower rof, and reduced recoil to play at its ideal role. duvolle isnt bad but loses out to tacs even a mid range

how about you htfu, as even us ar guys have tried new weapons yet still go back b/c ccp doesnt know how to balance weapons properly

I love how everyone is crying about the TAC when we have bigger problems like the sniper rifle and LAV plagues. SMGs and Scrambler Pistols are indeed monstrous, and hilariously, no one even bats an eye at them. The Proto SMG can drop a Heavy in one clip. A freaking Heavy!

That's what I'm thinking

Dude is acting as if ARs got a buff and everything took a hit. Every weapon's range took a nerf...the burst AR got trashed...LAVs got a megabuff, etc.

Is the etc because you can't think of everything?

ARs got buffed
LAVs got buffed
Nova knives got a slight buff
Sniper rifles, swarms, and forge guns were unchanged
Shotguns are semi broken
Mass drivers are broken again
Laser rifles took several nerfs
HMGs are having a harder time killing me, so they probably got nerfed

Mass drivers and Laser rifles are the main focus of this thread, because they beat AR users in their specialist niches. AR users bitched about it, and now we are where we are.

And for the record, I wasn't a LR user. I don't think I even picked one up all last build.

I can't wait for everyone to respec into proto Caldari Logi and Tac AR's.

It'll warm my heart to see the patch notes the following week.

Agreed. Chromosome was possibly the most balance we had and could have except for the damage of Viziam laser. All the weapons did kill effectively.

If you can't use them.

If you don't like them.

If you just suck with them.

It doesn't mean that they're broken.

Is the etc because you can't think of everything?

ARs got buffed
LAVs got buffed
Nova knives got a slight buff
Sniper rifles, swarms, and forge guns were unchanged
Shotguns are semi broken
Mass drivers are broken again
Laser rifles took several nerfs
HMGs are having a harder time killing me, so they probably got nerfed

Mass drivers and Laser rifles are the main focus of this thread, because they beat AR users in their specialist niches. AR users bitched about it, and now we are where we are.

And for the record, I wasn't a LR user. I don't think I even picked one up all last build.

The "etc" is because I didn't feel like writing half a page and going into detail. ARs went unchanged....what buff did ARs get?? The TAR got a damage buff and they broke the burst AR.

Nova knives got a serious buff because you are not able to survive a nova knife attack anymore if they run up on you. lasers got a reduction in range (so did every weapon). Because of the range nerf, it hurt the HMG game but it is working as CCP intends it to be. They don't want the HMG to be long range killers..they are supposed to hold down points and if you're in range, the HMG will still shred you

I can't wait for everyone to respec into proto Caldari Logi and Tac AR's.

It'll warm my heart to see the patch notes the following week.

wtf last build was awful. Besides the laser being absolutely useless, this build is 10x more balanced than the last. But we all know that no matter what you do you'll still never be relevant in any build of this game ever, so you need to try to come up with other things to attribute your status as a non-factor to.

Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it.
Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles.

In other words, The only major balance change that was needed last build was to correct the viziam's damage, but apparently, everything was redone.
Happy?

It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on.

I feel profaned every time CCP touch my assault rifle because the rest of the community try "to be different" using another weapons and they just suck with them. Like people that have not Facebook just to say "ey, I'm a ******* badass, I don't use Facebook".

I know a lot of people that just **** with shotguns, forge guns, plasma cannons, etc. A lot of people that make a lot of "1 shoot = 1 kill". But is easier to cry instead to learn how to play.

Go use a Scramble Rifle that is the same.

Oh oh oh, right, you will say, "the numbers are not the same". "The numbers, the numers".

You really think that in a game when you crush against invisible walls all the time, numbers make any kind of difference? Pff.

New Eden is all instinct.

Welcome to New Eden.

Adapt or Die.

<3

By ARs, I'm referring to tactical, and they got more than a damage buff. The recoil changed enough that modded controllers now make them fully automatic again.

The difference being that Sniper Rifles, SMG's, and Pistols require skill and precision to use, unlike the TAC.

If we complained about the Duvolle TAC, you'd probably fervently defend it, claiming that it's fair that it can do more damage than a Tank, just for the fact it's proto. But when a good player can use a strong weapon that requires skill to use to take out a Heavy? Call the police!!

It must be hard to type on your knees with CCP so far down your throat.