DUST Search - Happy, AR assaults?

TBdaBoss wrote:

Sontie wrote:

Shotguns can be used legitimately in PC when you are on defense. The would be SO MUCH BETTER! if framerate didn't drop for most of us in cqc. And lag.

Both the TAC and the regular AR are legitimate weapons useful in different situations. This is better than Chromosome where it was only the standard AR.

MD still has it's uses and seems to scare the **** out of me armor tanking squad mates, but Chromosome was better.

Viziam works perfectly fine on Manus Peak. The problem is most ambush maps need adaptability and the viziam doesn't have that. The sight sucks (blinded by your own lazer? It's a coherent beam, it should glare like that!)

SCR needs a buff or AR's in general need a nerf, but the gun is still fun.

No one notices how OP the scrambler pistol is.

The SMG is devastating+0 at higher levels in the hands of a minmatar assault.

Eff proto forge guns!

HMG is FINE! Shorter range with the STD variant, making the assault actually have a purpose to exist now. Heavies have a role and when they play to that, they dominate.

In the hands of a pro the flaylock seems to be deadly.

LOL @ plasma cannon

Tanks are fine, need proto tanks.

LLAV's innate tool sucks, making it only useful as a murder taxi and a remote spider repper.

Scout LAV sucks

I love how everyone is crying about the TAC when we have bigger problems like the sniper rifle and LAV plagues. SMGs and Scrambler Pistols are indeed monstrous, and hilariously, no one even bats an eye at them. The Proto SMG can drop a Heavy in one clip. A freaking Heavy!

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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1349	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:14:00 - [1] - Quote Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it. Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles. Happy? It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3994	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:23:00 - [2] - Quote I really felt that last build was at a very good place in terms of balance with a few minor exceptions. Viziams had 20 base damage by mistake (Wolfman revealed it wasn't intentional), marauder tanks were overpriced with no real advantage, and as usual dropships sucked. There were some crappy weapon variants, but nothing was really overpowered. Everything had a purpose, strengths to fear, and weaknesses to exploit. You could beat an HMG user if you used range or teamwork. You could avoid being killed by lasers if you used cover. You could beat a mass driver user if you weren't too close, or had good aim (AR had better DPS even if all MD shots were direct hits). These all got pointlessly nerfed.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 120	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:26:00 - [3] - Quote Agreed. Chromosome was possibly the most balance we had and could have except for the damage of Viziam laser. All the weapons did kill effectively.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 485	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:29:00 - [4] - Quote I can't wait for everyone to respec into proto Caldari Logi and Tac AR's. It'll warm my heart to see the patch notes the following week.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 555	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:31:00 - [5] - Quote The problem is the weapon ranges. We have huge maps with pretty much only close range weapons (medium range if you stretch it a little). 30 meter optimal ranges on most of the weapons is kind of hilarious. Some weapons had their ranges lowered in Uprising + we had the Sharpshooter skill in Chromosome to help a little with the short ranges.
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 280	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:32:00 - [6] - Quote No. I like using ARs, but it defeats the purpose to be versatile if everyone else is too.
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 564	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:35:00 - [7] - Quote QQ was strong in Chromosome. QQ will always be strong no matter what CCP or any players do. Rock: Paper is OP. Paper: Scissors need to be nerfed. Scissors: Buff paper, remove rock.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 99	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:37:00 - [8] - Quote some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills
SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:45:00 - [9] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills Now that's the job of the TAR.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1350	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:01:00 - [10] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills And who would that be?

Eltra Ardell Goonfeet 118	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:19:00 - [11] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: UK-Shots wrote: some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills And who would that be? He appears to be implying that the OP, who declared Viziams OP, is whining that he can no longer abuse Viziams. This further implies UK-Shots is illiterate and actually uses a trained monkey to convey his thoughts.
Green Living PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 319	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:26:00 - [12] - Quote Yeah, we got another vanilla AR shooter on our hands currently.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1844	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:43:00 - [13] - Quote Lasers got screwed over by the new iron sights and the glare which makes ADS much harder to use, and MD's (and I think small missiles too) got their splash range reduced making them near useless.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 418	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:59:00 - [14] - Quote Shotguns can be used legitimately in PC when you are on defense. The would be SO MUCH BETTER! if framerate didn't drop for most of us in cqc. And lag. Both the TAC and the regular AR are legitimate weapons useful in different situations. This is better than Chromosome where it was only the standard AR. MD still has it's uses and seems to scare the **** out of me armor tanking squad mates, but Chromosome was better. Viziam works perfectly fine on Manus Peak. The problem is most ambush maps need adaptability and the viziam doesn't have that. The sight sucks (blinded by your own lazer? It's a coherent beam, it should glare like that!) SCR needs a buff or AR's in general need a nerf, but the gun is still fun. No one notices how OP the scrambler pistol is. The SMG is devastating+0 at higher levels in the hands of a minmatar assault. Eff proto forge guns! HMG is FINE! Shorter range with the STD variant, making the assault actually have a purpose to exist now. Heavies have a role and when they play to that, they dominate. In the hands of a pro the flaylock seems to be deadly. LOL @ plasma cannon Tanks are fine, need proto tanks. LLAV's innate tool sucks, making it only useful as a murder taxi and a remote spider repper. Scout LAV sucks
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 475	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:59:00 - [15] - Quote Chromosome was so much better balanced it's not even funny.
Otoky DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 99	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:01:00 - [16] - Quote And theyr first reaction was in Uprising day to QQ about lack of sharpshooter skill
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:03:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I really felt that last build was at a very good place in terms of balance with a few minor exceptions. Viziams had 20 base damage by mistake (Wolfman revealed it wasn't intentional), marauder tanks were overpriced with no real advantage, and as usual dropships sucked. There were some crappy weapon variants, but nothing was really overpowered. Everything had a purpose, strengths to fear, and weaknesses to exploit. You could beat an HMG user if you used range or teamwork. You could avoid being killed by lasers if you used cover, or got close. You could beat a mass driver user if you weren't too close, or had good aim (AR had better DPS even if all MD shots were direct hits). You could take out a well-built tank if you were persistent enough or used teamwork. These all got pointlessly nerfed though. I watched one of Barbar's montages from Chromosome yesterday. It genuinely depressed me.
Bling Blaine FrontLine-Coalition 112	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:09:00 - [18] - Quote Up with hope (Chromosome) Down with dope (Uprising) I really liked Chromosome, enough to spend $$$$. I hate Uprising and haven't/won't spend any $$$$. At least untill the stability and core is smoothed out so I can play on 720p.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 320	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:12:00 - [19] - Quote Thing I didn't like about Chromosome was the sharpshooter skill. LR needs more range and TAR needs to be replaced by the Caldari Gauss Rifle with more range than LR and spool time between shots. Assault SR has to have more range than standard AR because it's a pulse laser. With these changes everything can have a place in combat.
TBdaBoss A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS 6	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:28:00 - [20] - Quote Sontie wrote: Shotguns can be used legitimately in PC when you are on defense. The would be SO MUCH BETTER! if framerate didn't drop for most of us in cqc. And lag. Both the TAC and the regular AR are legitimate weapons useful in different situations. This is better than Chromosome where it was only the standard AR. MD still has it's uses and seems to scare the **** out of me armor tanking squad mates, but Chromosome was better. Viziam works perfectly fine on Manus Peak. The problem is most ambush maps need adaptability and the viziam doesn't have that. The sight sucks (blinded by your own lazer? It's a coherent beam, it should glare like that!) SCR needs a buff or AR's in general need a nerf, but the gun is still fun. No one notices how OP the scrambler pistol is. The SMG is devastating+0 at higher levels in the hands of a minmatar assault. Eff proto forge guns! HMG is FINE! Shorter range with the STD variant, making the assault actually have a purpose to exist now. Heavies have a role and when they play to that, they dominate. In the hands of a pro the flaylock seems to be deadly. LOL @ plasma cannon Tanks are fine, need proto tanks. LLAV's innate tool sucks, making it only useful as a murder taxi and a remote spider repper. Scout LAV sucks I love how everyone is crying about the TAC when we have bigger problems like the sniper rifle and LAV plagues. SMGs and Scrambler Pistols are indeed monstrous, and hilariously, no one even bats an eye at them. The Proto SMG can drop a Heavy in one clip. A freaking Heavy!

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1317	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:57:00 - [21] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills That's what I'm thinking Dude is acting as if ARs got a buff and everything took a hit. Every weapon's range took a nerf...the burst AR got trashed...LAVs got a megabuff, etc.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 251	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:16:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it. Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles. In other words, The only major balance change that was needed last build was to correct the viziam's damage, but apparently, everything was redone. Happy? It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on. I feel profaned every time CCP touch my assault rifle because the rest of the community try "to be different" using another weapons and they just suck with them. Like people that have not Facebook just to say "ey, I'm a ***** badass, I don't use Facebook". I know a lot of people that just ** with shotguns, forge guns, plasma cannons, etc. A lot of people that make a lot of "1 shoot = 1 kill". But is easier to cry instead to learn how to play. Go use a Scramble Rifle that is the same. Oh oh oh, right, you will say, "the numbers are not the same". "The numbers, the numers". You really think that in a game when you crush against invisible walls all the time, numbers make any kind of difference? Pff. New Eden is all instinct. Welcome to New Eden. Adapt or Die. <3
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 293	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:26:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it. Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles. In other words, The only major balance change that was needed last build was to correct the viziam's damage, but apparently, everything was redone. Happy? It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on. nublet is a nublet no matter the build. you cried every build about the ARs, (and bosted about being as good or better then reflex, bonney, xander w/ pistols yet went negative everytime saw you) yet blame the community, instead of ccp? only thing ar people have wanted overall are some type of sight back. ccp thinks tampering makes things better, yet they only make things worse. breach ar still sucks, burst is still worthless, tac is "op", and need lower rof, and reduced recoil to play at its ideal role. duvolle isnt bad but loses out to tacs even a mid range how about you htfu, as even us ar guys have tried new weapons yet still go back b/c ccp doesnt know how to balance weapons properly
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1357	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:34:00 - [24] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Last build was almost perfectly balanced. Viziams were broken- that was about it. Now, thanks to your feedback, assault rifles are the only viable light weapons, apart from sniper rifles. In other words, The only major balance change that was needed last build was to correct the viziam's damage, but apparently, everything was redone. Happy? It's a damn good thing for me at least, that your situational awareness is lacking- I can still get knife kills on anyone I get the jump on. nublet is a nublet no matter the build. you cried every build about the ARs, (and bosted about being as good or better then reflex, bonney, xander w/ pistols yet went negative everytime saw you) yet blame the community, instead of ccp? only thing ar people have wanted overall are some type of sight back. ccp thinks tampering makes things better, yet they only make things worse. breach ar still sucks, burst is still worthless, tac is "op", and need lower rof, and reduced recoil to play at its ideal role. duvolle isnt bad but loses out to tacs even a mid range how about you htfu, as even us ar guys have tried new weapons yet still go back b/c ccp doesnt know how to balance weapons properly Lol- Last build I told the AR users that were bitching (you) to HTFU I never fought bonney, and I have no idea who xander is, so we never found that one out. Yes, I do blame the community. From what I remember, your alliance was hiding in the MCCs for the latter half of last build after you finished whining to CCP to unbalance everything again.
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 162	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:36:00 - [25] - Quote TBdaBoss wrote: Sontie wrote: Shotguns can be used legitimately in PC when you are on defense. The would be SO MUCH BETTER! if framerate didn't drop for most of us in cqc. And lag. Both the TAC and the regular AR are legitimate weapons useful in different situations. This is better than Chromosome where it was only the standard AR. MD still has it's uses and seems to scare the **** out of me armor tanking squad mates, but Chromosome was better. Viziam works perfectly fine on Manus Peak. The problem is most ambush maps need adaptability and the viziam doesn't have that. The sight sucks (blinded by your own lazer? It's a coherent beam, it should glare like that!) SCR needs a buff or AR's in general need a nerf, but the gun is still fun. No one notices how OP the scrambler pistol is. The SMG is devastating+0 at higher levels in the hands of a minmatar assault. Eff proto forge guns! HMG is FINE! Shorter range with the STD variant, making the assault actually have a purpose to exist now. Heavies have a role and when they play to that, they dominate. In the hands of a pro the flaylock seems to be deadly. LOL @ plasma cannon Tanks are fine, need proto tanks. LLAV's innate tool sucks, making it only useful as a murder taxi and a remote spider repper. Scout LAV sucks I love how everyone is crying about the TAC when we have bigger problems like the sniper rifle and LAV plagues. SMGs and Scrambler Pistols are indeed monstrous, and hilariously, no one even bats an eye at them. The Proto SMG can drop a Heavy in one clip. A freaking Heavy! The difference being that Sniper Rifles, SMG's, and Pistols require skill and precision to use, unlike the TAC. If we complained about the Duvolle TAC, you'd probably fervently defend it, claiming that it's fair that it can do more damage than a Tank, just for the fact it's proto. But when a good player can use a strong weapon that requires skill to use to take out a Heavy? Call the police!!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1358	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:42:00 - [26] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: UK-Shots wrote: some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills That's what I'm thinking Dude is acting as if ARs got a buff and everything took a hit. Every weapon's range took a nerf...the burst AR got trashed...LAVs got a megabuff, etc. Is the etc because you can't think of everything? ARs got buffed LAVs got buffed Nova knives got a slight buff Sniper rifles, swarms, and forge guns were unchanged Shotguns are semi broken Mass drivers are broken again Laser rifles took several nerfs HMGs are having a harder time killing me, so they probably got nerfed Mass drivers and Laser rifles are the main focus of this thread, because they beat AR users in their specialist niches. AR users bitched about it, and now we are where we are. And for the record, I wasn't a LR user. I don't think I even picked one up all last build.
Dust HaHakoke Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:43:00 - [27] - Quote No one seems to value the burst hmg despite the fact i can one shot or 2 shot most guys.... although a lot of them for some reason expect to win that
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 256	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:44:00 - [28] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: UK-Shots wrote: some one seems mad that they cant hide up high with op lazers zapping berries and getting instant kills That's what I'm thinking Dude is acting as if ARs got a buff and everything took a hit. Every weapon's range took a nerf...the burst AR got trashed...LAVs got a megabuff, etc. Is the etc because you can't think of everything? ARs got buffed LAVs got buffed Nova knives got a slight buff Sniper rifles, swarms, and forge guns were unchanged Shotguns are semi broken Mass drivers are broken again Laser rifles took several nerfs HMGs are having a harder time killing me, so they probably got nerfed Mass drivers and Laser rifles are the main focus of this thread, because they beat AR users in their specialist niches. AR users bitched about it, and now we are where we are. And for the record, I wasn't a LR user. I don't think I even picked one up all last build. If you can't use them. If you don't like them. If you just suck with them. It doesn't mean that they're broken.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 620	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:47:00 - [29] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I can't wait for everyone to respec into proto Caldari Logi and Tac AR's. It'll warm my heart to see the patch notes the following week. It must be hard to type on your knees with CCP so far down your throat.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 223	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:48:00 - [30] - Quote Chinduko wrote: Agreed. Chromosome was possibly the most balance we had and could have except for the damage of Viziam laser. All the weapons did kill effectively. I agree. The Viziam was BS. Not because of its base damage or its range, but because by the time it got through your shields, it was hot enough to melt your armor just as fast. All that was needed was a decrease in armor damage.



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