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Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 191	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:34:00 - [1] - Quote I'd like to see whet everyone is thinking about dropships in their current state. Be sure to leave your own opinions. However, here's my opinion: Unlike all other vehicle types, dropships were not given a HP buff when the vehicle core skills were changed. This acts as a mini nerf to the already crippled vehicle class. Dropships price were not halved like they said they would. At the moment a Myron/Grimsnes costs 20k more than a Gunnlogi/Madrugar, and is far less useful. While the Assault dropships have the chromosome handling, the normal and logi ships speed and handling were nerfed to make the assault look better than it really is. Not increasing their tank, and lowering the speed? seriously? Despite being told for god knows how long dropships were getting more WP options, uprising brought absolutely nothing, other than the Assault DS turret. Where's Logi rep points? Where's mCRU spawn points? Ect. The combination of all four of these points turn these vehicles into flying coffins. If they weren't such in such a crippled state I'd be flying right now, but unfortunately, CCP has quite honestly given them the short end of the stick for a while now. If CCP wishes them to remain relevant to the game, a lot is going to have to change rather quickly.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 451	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote This, this so much. I cannot spec into dropships without dying a little inside.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 233	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:39:00 - [3] - Quote Freshticles wrote: I'd like to see whet everyone is thinking about dropships in their current state. Be sure to leave your own opinions. However, here's my opinion: Unlike all other vehicle types, dropships were not given a HP buff when the vehicle core skills were changed. This acts as a mini nerf to the already crippled vehicle class. Dropships price were not halved like they said they would. At the moment a Myron/Grimsnes costs 20k more than a Gunnlogi/Madrugar, and is far less useful. While the Assault dropships have the chromosome handling, the normal and logi ships speed and handling were merged to make the assault look better than it really is. Not increasing their tank, and lowering the speed? seriously? Despite being told for god knows how long dropships were getting more WP options, uprising brought absolutely nothing, other than the Assault DS turret. Where's Logi rep points? Where's mCRU spawn points? Ect. The combination of all four of these points turn these vehicles into flying coffins. If they weren't such in such a crippled state I'd be flying right now, but unfortunately, CCP has quite honestly given them the short end of the stick for a while now. If CCP wishes them to remain relevant to the game, a lot is going to have to change rather quickly. Too OP. They need a nerf
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 338	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:39:00 - [4] - Quote Reduce the ISK price by 40%
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1471	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:41:00 - [5] - Quote They suck. CCP should just remove them and focus on something else. They can get added on a later expansion, where hopefully they won't suck as much.
Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 191	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:41:00 - [6] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Too OP. They need a nerf Go and grab a Forge gun/Swarms, you can nerf them to your heart's desire :)
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 354	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:41:00 - [7] - Quote Too busy getting run over by an invincible LAV to look up and form an opinion.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 233	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:47:00 - [8] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Too OP. They need a nerf Go and grab a Forge gun/Swarms, you can nerf them to your heart's desire :) If my AR can't kill it, CCP must nerf it. Welcome to New Eden. Adapt or Die. Roses are red, violets are blue, the assault rifles need a buff.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1803	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:47:00 - [9] - Quote They are in a bad place, uprising introduced some good stuff for them like the ADS and some nice base stat changes and the new flight mechanics, but there's too much crap to say that they are decent right now.
Dankius Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:48:00 - [10] - Quote Agreedo. As one of the few assault ds pilots I can say there are some huge flaws in the way ccp has handled them. It feels like they were added as an afterthought which is a shame cause they're so fun. We need a major buff and a price drop as was promised.The reduction in sp from 8x to 4x was a good start but not enough. I fear ds pilots will become a rare breed after the optional respec.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations 3214	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote El Oh El
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 451	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:50:00 - [12] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Reduce the ISK price by 40% More. ******* slash them to 25%.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1418	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:52:00 - [13] - Quote They need the same HP increases every other vehicle received, and they need the 25% PG nerf reversed so that they can actually be completely fitted without needing PG extenders in the low slots. I've been flying dropships for a long time now, heck I'm my corporations "director of air combat and logistics," and I'm seriously considering skilling out of dropships all together with the respec. As it stands, they are pretty cool as long as the opponents have nothing above STD level AV. Against STD AV they are somewhat balanced. If you're caught with no momentum, a single STD AV users may be able to take you down if he's a decent shot, and two AV users will drop you almost immediately. Anything higher than STD AV and all it takes is a single guy on the field somewhere and you are either completely worthless, or a fireball. basically, if the match is even semi-serious, they are absolutely 100% worthless.
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:54:00 - [14] - Quote Freshticles wrote: I'd like to see whet everyone is thinking about dropships in their current state. Be sure to leave your own opinions. However, here's my opinion: Unlike all other vehicle types, dropships were not given a HP buff when the vehicle core skills were changed. This acts as a mini nerf to the already crippled vehicle class. Dropships price were not halved like they said they would. At the moment a Myron/Grimsnes costs 20k more than a Gunnlogi/Madrugar, and is far less useful. While the Assault dropships have the chromosome handling, the normal and logi ships speed and handling were merged to make the assault look better than it really is. Not increasing their tank, and lowering the speed? seriously? Despite being told for god knows how long dropships were getting more WP options, uprising brought absolutely nothing, other than the Assault DS turret. Where's Logi rep points? Where's mCRU spawn points? Ect. The combination of all four of these points turn these vehicles into flying coffins. If they weren't such in such a crippled state I'd be flying right now, but unfortunately, CCP has quite honestly given them the short end of the stick for a while now. If CCP wishes them to remain relevant to the game, a lot is going to have to change rather quickly. CCP's lack of action and response proves they couldn't give a [poop] less about you. Sorry, deal with it
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 168	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:13:00 - [15] - Quote Well, they certainly drop effectively.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 451	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:15:00 - [16] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Well, they certainly drop effectively. Ha, +1.
Andius Fidelitas The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:35:00 - [17] - Quote Agreed, they have a laughable lethality as it is. Assault? Pppftt, more like a duck.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.05.25 01:28:00 - [18] - Quote I made the mistake of putting SP into a guy... after the respec I will go all in with the hope that if we endure maybe, just maybe, Dropships will become perfected.
Pvt Numnutz On The Brink CRONOS. 60	Posted - 2013.05.25 01:37:00 - [19] - Quote ADS handling is good, however it only has a small cannon thats difficult to use (not complaining got 13 kills the other day) but it is hard, i accept the challenge. Recently decided to also spec into logi dropships for the cru and i was very dissapointed. The handling is very bad, i understand that it is a slow cat and has the most shields out of any dropship, but when i get hit by a swarm i roll and have to fight the dropship just to get level. However before i can get level i usually hit a building or hit the ground and then roll over and explode. Unfortunately for me i spent 17 mil getting 20 of them. oh well they are pretty to look at at least... So i decided that i would instead just fit a CRU to a myron, as the myrons handling is far superior to the eryx, fit it with some advanced turrets and it comes out to (roughly) 200k cheeper than the eryx chassis. However it only has 1883 shields....well im not being thrown into buildings, but now swarms are a very real threat as i dont have the speed to outrun them nor the tank to fight them. At the very least im not spending 1 to 1.5 mil for the variations of the dropships so i might be able to climb out of this hole that im in isk wise. Reducing the price of dropships by 40% would go a long way to helping pilots stay in the air and maybe even make some money to play around with. when i read in the patch notes that dropship prices were cut in half i was as giddy as a school girl only to find that my same myron fit from chromosome now cost an additional 30k isk.......by half you say? My biggest problems with dropships right now, Their tank could use some adjustment to make it more competitive against av, im not saying make it so 3 people have to bring me down, just let me stay in the fight for a little while longer so i can actually help my squad and team. The handling of standard is.....ok, ADS handling is good and zippy (for less tank, alright thats fine) logi dropship is unflyable for me, i know its a slow cat and im fine with that, however the way it tips and rolls at any form of av and how hard i have to fight the dropship just to stay in the air is unacceptable for me. Could we maybe get some low slot stuff for speed? jovian power plants dont really seem to cut it anymore, as i tried putting 2 on the eryx and it hardly made a difference. Also the day they take dropships out of the game to release in a new build is the day i stop playing dust, atleast until their back in. For those pilots and players who are saying that CCP doesnt care about dropships or pilots you are wrong. CCP blam is a game designer and hasnt forgotten about dropships, take the bomber variant he mentioned for example
Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 192	Posted - 2013.05.25 14:30:00 - [20] - Quote Just thought I'd add, LAVs can reach higher levels of tank DSes can while being a fraction of the cost.

Knightshade Belladonna WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS 297	Posted - 2013.05.25 14:33:00 - [21] - Quote I think it all depends on how the person is flying it. Most I run into are rather sluggish and seem to hang alot and are easy to blow up.. but I have ran into some lately that once they take a hit they can zoom off high into the skies and into thier redline pretty damn fast, I can never hit them a second time until they regenerate shields and come back in.. just to repeat over again. The guy I seen doing this was dropiing guys off over rooftops, engaging our vehicles, and pretty much being a nuisance
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 456	Posted - 2013.05.25 14:49:00 - [22] - Quote Their problem right now is that they don't really fill the role they were designed to - quick troop insertion. Once we get map sizes closer to what CCP has planned, these things will be more useful.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 542	Posted - 2013.05.25 15:33:00 - [23] - Quote Today i got the armor assault dropship I gain some more PG/CPU and a turret slot for me other than that its kinda useless The basic dropship has the same slot layout and only 2 guns for passengers who can actually see where they are aiming The assault is a price hike for 1 extra gun which you cannot aim, you can guess where you are aiming if using TPV mode or you can go into FPS mode and nose dive into the ground while you try to aim at someone Another problem the gun will not go left or right, you have to turn the entire dropship which basically means if they aint straight in front of you no kill for you Basically as the pilot you guess where your shooting so you might aswell stick to the basic dropship As for handling its a flying brick like the basic armor dropship so no change ther except the assault is white and blue inside Stick to the basic dropship, its cheaper, better for you and better for gunners But the biggest enemy of dropships are the automated AI turrets which somehow lock onto you and start firing when ever, half the time you have to get a tank and get rid of them all 1st then dropship about so you only have everything else to worry about
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations 3221	Posted - 2013.05.25 15:35:00 - [24] - Quote I think dropships are working as intended because those ships are always dropping
Tarsious Jones Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack 23	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:06:00 - [25] - Quote As a logi pilot, what I am truly missing are wp for mcru spawns, and better range on the remote reppers. The lack of wp for the pilot is a serious problem, due to both the cost and risk of flying, and the helpfulness of having the ship on the battlefield. Down the line I'd love to see assists earned for a certain amount of time of a teammate disembarking, ie. my passenger jumps out, kills 2 guys and hacks an installation, and the game awarding me assist points for these actions. Maybe 20-30 seconds after disembarking. This would mean the pilots would make sure the lz is clear for their teammates, instead of letting them drop into a group of heavies. Same assists could work for LAV drivers, and their passengers. For now, I just want CCP to flip the switch, enabling wp for spawns. It's really not that hard. If they are worried about pilots earning too many points, add a cooldown similar to the repair tool. Every 15 spawns, a cooldown timer starts, and in this period no points are earned. This is very simple, not hard at all really.
Rusty Shaklefurd Couch Legion 34	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:10:00 - [26] - Quote Don't care. play eve if you want to fly a ship IMO
Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 194	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:44:00 - [27] - Quote Rusty Shaklefurd wrote: Don't care. play eve if you want to fly a ship IMO The path to auchwitz was paved with indifference. If people can't be bothered to get vocal, things won't improve.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 69	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:45:00 - [28] - Quote Honestly i have tried bringing the discussion about dropships to a high-level, attention grabbing point, but even that didn't spark much change for dropships in these recent updates, my large topic with a dev reply is here if anyone wants to look it over, it actually contains some pretty good discussion about what needs to be done however. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=786121#post786121
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1811	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:48:00 - [29] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Honestly i have tried bringing the discussion about dropships to a high-level, attention grabbing point, but even that didn't spark much change for dropships in these recent updates, my large topic with a dev reply is here if anyone wants to look it over, it actually contains some pretty good discussion about what needs to be done however. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=786121#post786121 What blam said in that topic gave me hope, but I doubt we'll see any of those things he mentioned for several months.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 69	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:52:00 - [30] - Quote gbghg wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Honestly i have tried bringing the discussion about dropships to a high-level, attention grabbing point, but even that didn't spark much change for dropships in these recent updates, my large topic with a dev reply is here if anyone wants to look it over, it actually contains some pretty good discussion about what needs to be done however. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=786121#post786121 What blam said in that topic gave me hope, but I doubt we'll see any of those things he mentioned for several months. Yeah the same thing happened with me, i was totally relieved to see that reply but when these recent updates came... there were 0 changes, and it makes me worry about how soon they actually plan to address any of this.

Jenova's Witness Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.25 19:20:00 - [31] - Quote Even with the problems with dropships, there are some very clutch pilots out there dedicated enough to maintain air superiority. Just a couple of days ago, my squad was getting their you know whats handed to them in Manus Peak but a logistics dropship kept us in the game, dropping us off at B while the gunners gave covering fire. This particular ship was fitted with an active scanner, which was a huge help with pointing our targets as they flowed in from their base. Like tanks, you need infantry support to take out pesky forge gunners and swarmers while keeping control of the maps turrets or just destroying them. But like everything this build, you really have to work for it more. What they really need is a larger PG like all the vehicles, a minor HP buff and better handling or ECM modules to counter missiles. A significant price drop would be helpful too.
Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 200	Posted - 2013.05.26 09:10:00 - [32] - Quote Been checking the older thread, CCPs response was ages ago before uprising. Like the price reduction, they said things would happen and then nothing. Can we at least get an explanation as to why they are like this?
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 303	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:16:00 - [33] - Quote It's more than a year that dropships pilots tell ccp dropships need love. I gave up, CCP simply doesen't give a **** about dropships.
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 105	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:25:00 - [34] - Quote needlessly difficult to fly extremely fragile even when skilled into not a very clear battlefield purpose WHY ARE THEY SO HARD TO FLY, IT MAKES NO SENSE
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 179	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:53:00 - [35] - Quote I dont see the problem with dropships I can one shot most of them just fine
Tarsious Jones Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack 24	Posted - 2013.05.27 14:03:00 - [36] - Quote CCP really needs to update us on the situation here. It's been way too long since we heard anything on the matter, and it's really concerning for us pilots.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 91	Posted - 2013.05.27 14:20:00 - [37] - Quote Dropships are too expensive for what they do and they don't do enough for what they cost. I expect a hotfix on wednesday. Thanks.
Tarsious Jones Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack 24	Posted - 2013.05.27 14:38:00 - [38] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Dropships are too expensive for what they do and they don't do enough for what they cost. I expect a hotfix on wednesday. Thanks. Haha, dream on. Dropship improvements have been requested since before open beta, and what do we get? An assault variant, that is still as fragile as the other dropships, if not more. It's like CCP refuses to award wp for anything but killing. Logi players can't revive properly, active scanners, remote vehicle reppers, counterhacks and mcru's yield no points... What gives?
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.05.27 18:10:00 - [39] - Quote I still have fun with Dropships, but I agree, something needs to be done. I still have hope that something big will come and we will have our phase like the LAV drivers before everyone else starts asking for a nerf. lol
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 92	Posted - 2013.05.27 18:35:00 - [40] - Quote RDVs are stupid and make this game stupid. I'm tired of them spawning inside of me and costing 1.5 million when I'm playing at my best. There is nothing that stops this and given how frequently I'm in the air, its causing me to go broke. Once I can't afford to fly, I won't be playing dust anymore and reserves are dwindling quickly.

Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1490	Posted - 2013.05.27 18:43:00 - [41] - Quote We've asked for a balanced set of roles for the dropship and all we got was one more useless turret. We asked again and we are promised a bomber variant. All CCP knows how to reward is killing.
Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 204	Posted - 2013.05.27 19:01:00 - [42] - Quote Skihids wrote: We've asked for a balanced set of roles for the dropship and all we got was one more useless turret. We asked again and we are promised a bomber variant. All CCP knows how to reward is killing. Simply give commission for actions from players that have dropped within the last 20 seconds. Then it could fit the role of a "hot dropper"
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 26	Posted - 2013.05.27 19:06:00 - [43] - Quote Dankius wrote: Agreedo. As one of the few assault ds pilots I can say there are some huge flaws in the way ccp has handled them. It feels like they were added as an afterthought which is a shame cause they're so fun. We need a major buff and a price drop as was promised.The reduction in sp from 8x to 4x was a good start but not enough. I fear ds pilots will become a rare breed after the optional respec. Assault dropships are very useful, and I know quite a few people that are choosing to respec fully into them. But the Logistics and the Normal are a waste since an assault can do everything except holds two less passengers.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 26	Posted - 2013.05.27 19:06:00 - [44] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Skihids wrote: We've asked for a balanced set of roles for the dropship and all we got was one more useless turret. We asked again and we are promised a bomber variant. All CCP knows how to reward is killing. Simply give commission for actions from players that have dropped within the last 20 seconds. Then it could fit the role of a "hot dropper" This could include if they hack an objective you get the bonus like you helped hack half way.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1860	Posted - 2013.05.27 19:13:00 - [45] - Quote Skihids wrote: We've asked for a balanced set of roles for the dropship and all we got was one more useless turret. We asked again and we are promised a bomber variant. All CCP knows how to reward is killing. The ADS is actually quite useful, in something like PC it can mean you have an effective scout/harassment unit while only losing 1 person from the ground squads, my CEO is quite sold on how useful they can be.
Freshticles Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 205	Posted - 2013.05.28 10:05:00 - [46] - Quote gbghg wrote: Skihids wrote: We've asked for a balanced set of roles for the dropship and all we got was one more useless turret. We asked again and we are promised a bomber variant. All CCP knows how to reward is killing. The ADS is actually quite useful, in something like PC it can mean you have an effective scout/harassment unit while only losing 1 person from the ground squads, my CEO is quite sold on how useful they can be. Logi LAV can do the same thing better, with other advantages.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 113	Posted - 2013.05.28 10:43:00 - [47] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Reduce the ISK price by 40% More. ******* slash them to 25%. This. Then start buffing them in various ways including more different WP gains for pilots until people start crying that they're OP. Because right now they're so UP, it's just not funny. Disclaimer: I am not a dropship pilot and in its current state, never will be.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 485	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:29:00 - [48] - Quote I just see Dropships as Anti-sniper platforms, mobile spawn points and a way to get snipers into awesome spots. Honestly, anyone who doesn't use a dropship to put a bunch of mercs on the high ground is silly. I've seen utterly one sided games from putting spawn points where the other team can't get them above objectives.
Big Boss XIII M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 294	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:41:00 - [49] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Skihids wrote: We've asked for a balanced set of roles for the dropship and all we got was one more useless turret. We asked again and we are promised a bomber variant. All CCP knows how to reward is killing. Simply give commission for actions from players that have dropped within the last 20 seconds. Then it could fit the role of a "hot dropper" Hot dropper sounds like the after effects of a bad curry
Big Boss XIII M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 294	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:48:00 - [50] - Quote On a serious note the bola that brings your drop ship in is a light Arial vehicle so why cant you dropship that is in the same category take as much damage :/

ARC Stig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 12:10:00 - [51] - Quote I woulden't mind if they were actually flyable...I see people hitting buildings, and mountains and everything else, I even tryed myself 3 times, and they are horrible, even worse than a helicopter on GTA....If the flight issues get fixed, I bet these could be really useful.
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 28	Posted - 2013.05.28 12:21:00 - [52] - Quote Drop ships price cut! Woot ADS is like 493,335 and logistics at 301,395
Tarsious Jones Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack 25	Posted - 2013.05.28 18:29:00 - [53] - Quote It's a start. Now we just need some wp.


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