DUST Search - New players should get 50 to 100 of every militia weapon and dropsuit or premade...

2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

I disagree with this, when the market opens up it would make this stuff being on it completely pointless since you could just trade yourselff a quarter of million isk worth of gear by making a new char, if they aren't tradeable, then I suppose it's fine.

militia gear is cheap as hell, and easy to use, what more do you really need.

I do agree with every weapon having a militia level, but no reason for you to get it for free.

The point is to encourage new players to try everything, only providing 4 starter fits is the same as limiting fits, as it tunnels players into specific suits, what you want to do is give them plenty of options, and there are already free suits so your point is invalid.

Giving them more free premade suits stuff just balances out the free militia stuff they already have and encourages them to try different ways of playing the game and strategies. The whole point of the battle academy is so they can learn dust.

After battle academy ends its all taken away anyway, so they don't get to keep anything free, and besides if its so cheap why have it cost anything at all for players just starting out? its unnecessary when they should be learning the core mechanics.

Maybe you should ask CCP to provide you with a list of most popular/used drop suit fits in battle academy?

I think we both know they would be the 4 premade free ones now don't we?

Its a loaded class progression system when you provide 4 clear options right in someones face.

The game sells itself to new players on variety, so show it to them at the militia level.

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2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 574	Posted - 2013.05.24 08:51:00 - [1] - Quote Dust is meant to be a long term game. New players should be able to try all the weapons in the game at the militia level. They should get 50 to 100 preconfiged suits of each basic build type of every weapon so that they can see the general use of each of them and get a feel for the weapons in dust. These premade suits would be unsellable and only militia grade or std without requirements. (std if only useable in battle academy) After so many pub matches or 3 months the suits degrade and are no longer usefully. why do I think such a thing would be good for dust? When people first play a char they should have access to all basics of every weapon/class at the militia level and have a easy opportunity to try them all. These suits would be premade like the AUR suits with all the equipment for their build/role. This would help and encourage people to try out weapons without having to skill into std level Or they could be taken away at the end of battle academy and only useable in battle academy. It would also help reduce the learning curve of the game and increase game variety.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 67	Posted - 2013.05.24 08:57:00 - [2] - Quote I agree with this. End of discussion. CCP Dev on duty, pass this up the chain until it lands on my desk and I'll sign off on it.
Jenova's Witness Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.05.24 09:00:00 - [3] - Quote There should be a free BPO grade of equipment similar to militia for all weapon and equipment types that don't have a militia variant that can only be used in the academy. Call it recruit equipment. HMGs, Lasers, Scrambler Rifles, Mass Drivers, Active Scanners... anything and everything that new players can use without skill. That way, they can test out everything and see what they like. Once they leave the academy, the equipment leaves their assets and they should get a free respec once graduated so they can fully spec into the role they found to their liking.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 574	Posted - 2013.05.24 09:06:00 - [4] - Quote Jenova's Witness wrote: There should be a free BPO grade of equipment similar to militia for all weapon and equipment types that don't have a militia variant that can only be used in the academy. Call it recruit equipment. HMGs, Lasers, Scrambler Rifles, Mass Drivers, Active Scanners... anything and everything that new players can use without skill. That way, they can test out everything and see what they like. Once they leave the academy, the equipment leaves their assets and they should get a free respec once graduated so they can fully spec into the role they found to their liking. I agree.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 134	Posted - 2013.05.24 09:49:00 - [5] - Quote +1 Very good idea Would you agree on militia grade vehicles too? Tanks and dropships to be included in this "recruit pack"? Say 10 or 20 BPC and no more?
Battle Android Trooper Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.05.24 09:53:00 - [6] - Quote This is a very good idea!
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 584	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:01:00 - [7] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: +1 Very good idea Would you agree on militia grade vehicles too? Tanks and dropships to be included in this "recruit pack"? Say 10 or 20 BPC and no more? I would say they should be available in some capacity. Its hard to learn how to use tanks and fly dropships as it is, giving them a few would probably help people learn how to use them. they should also be equipped relative to their roles so new players learn how to put modules on them or i should say see how modules would work properly on tanks just like premade dropsuit fits. But how to make it so they have enough time to learn how to use them but do not spam them? that is the question. Maybe you get a few per week while still in battle academy. or you get 1 or 2 for every so many games in battle academy you play. They would also be unsellable and removed after battle academy or something. Its a good Idea and think it could fit in and work well if done properly to prevent abuse and veh spam. At the same time you want enough veh so that people get used to fighting them/ countering them both in and out of the vehs. Def yes if done well!
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 18	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:21:00 - [8] - Quote +1 for a good idea, inc. the suggestions in this thread. BUT, as it is the WP/SP limit on instant battle academy looks a little short, since even if you had 50 of each militia equipment, you would get taken out of the academy way way way before you finished with your equipment.
Zaria Min Deir Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 40	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:22:00 - [9] - Quote This is a fantastic idea.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 587	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:24:00 - [10] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: +1 for a good idea, inc. the suggestions in this thread. BUT, as it is the WP/SP limit on instant battle academy looks a little short, since even if you had 50 of each militia equipment, you would get taken out of the academy way way way before you finished with your equipment. Hmm maybe they should give you the option to hang out in the academy a little longer if you want 2?

ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:53:00 - [11] - Quote i agree this needs to be implemented for the sake of newbs everywhere. and if you havnt raised the graduation lvl to 100k wp or 5 mill sp you should do that as well ...five mill sp should lead a player not dropping every where to an adv suit witha proto weapon upon graduation.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:02:00 - [12] - Quote i COULD AGREE WITH VEHICLE bpo. but after one graduates the academy all bpo's should disappear including the baloch infinite murder taxi no one should be driving a lav in pubs without spending sp and isk unless they coughed up cash to ccp period
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 389	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:14:00 - [13] - Quote This is a brilliant idea, please implement, CCP. A couple more things I would suggest though: 1. Raise the WP limit on the Academy significantly. 2. Add more militia gear - militia scrambler rifles, militia mass drivers, etc. 3. Improve tutorials. Really, there's a token effort, but there needs to be more. 4. Improve the skill tree - when speccing into new weapons, it takes several skills to get there, and this is seriously confusing for a newbie. Also, it'd be nice if scrambler rifles could be set as the normal weapon for the Amarr suits, and the other racial rifle variants.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 445	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:16:00 - [14] - Quote Yea this is a good idea. Its not like they cost anything. What 100 copies of all this is like 200k? I think the deeper problem is that items don't appear in the fitting screen until you buy them. It might be interesting if there was 3 extra buttons on the EDIT section of the fitting screen. The Default is all items shown, then you can select 1 of the 3 buttons. Filter out Items I don't Own Filter out Items I don't Have Skills For Filter out Items that cost AUR
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:22:00 - [15] - Quote I would only agree if there were militia variants of every weapon (including hmg and all the other unavailable militia weapons) and dropsuits (including all 4 basic militia racials and logi). Starting amount should be much higher than 100 seeing how fast 100 can burn through before you even reach advanced. There should be an AUR pack similar to the Starter Pack in which it gives you another large set of miltia copy BPs although should be relatively cheap.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 98	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:47:00 - [16] - Quote I like this Idea +1. It would also go well to compliment my Idea: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74535&find=unread
Nstomper Future War Cult 436	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:53:00 - [17] - Quote Agreed
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 314	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:53:00 - [18] - Quote You guys know that an Armory Lab will be implemented where you can test things before you invest skill, right ? Creating topics asking for things that were already announced but were ignored because people don-¦t use the search function doesn-¦t make the coding faster.
D3MON 5280 Neanderthal Nation 0	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:20:00 - [19] - Quote Good idea, I agree. I also think that Militia Grade weapons that are part of Noob Suits should not be able to take ISK for purchase. After building a suit with a few upgrades, I restocked it and now have over a hundred nano's & needles....can I sell them back? Why would the store even sell me something that is free? Total juke move, ripping off my ingame snaps.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:35:00 - [20] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: You guys know that an Armory Lab will be implemented where you can test things before you invest skill, right ? Creating topics asking for things that were already announced but were ignored because people don-¦t use the search function doesn-¦t make the coding faster. Edit: And there-¦s a specific forum section for Feedback/Requests the last thing ccp need to do is add more to this game ...especially not major functions they should be working on fixing what they already have. and ide rather test thing in a pub or pc or fw que synced battle than ina lab. sounds like a good way to convince someone to drop into something that useless in the battles field. as for where this is located whats the point in putting it in feedback and requests. not like it'll make a difference. and a lab does nothing about the pathetic graduation settings on the academy. ...10 k wp..= 7 battles ...is it even possible to get standard gear while in academy? and why on earth would you toss scrubs into the proto pub stomps without at least adv gear

mystus no1 Industrie und Handels Konsortium Tribunal Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:44:00 - [21] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: New players should be able to try all the weapons in the game at the militia level. This +1
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 151	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:49:00 - [22] - Quote I disagree with this, when the market opens up it would make this stuff being on it completely pointless since you could just trade yourselff a quarter of million isk worth of gear by making a new char, if they aren't tradeable, then I suppose it's fine. militia gear is cheap as hell, and easy to use, what more do you really need. I do agree with every weapon having a militia level, but no reason for you to get it for free.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:53:00 - [23] - Quote calisk galern wrote: I disagree with this, when the market opens up it would make this stuff being on it completely pointless since you could just trade yourselff a quarter of million isk worth of gear by making a new char. militia gear is cheap as hell, and easy to use, what more do you really need. I do agree with every weapon having a militia level, but no reason for you to get it for free. market trading should not be available until you graduate the academy. a scrub upon graduation would find all his militia bpo's gone and his standard would go from bpo to 100 copies he could then sell the loot he got for in academy for extra isk and have a small suit reserve to use to get his financial feet up
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:55:00 - [24] - Quote and i seriously doubt anyone would take the time to train a alt up through academy just for a few mill isk ...i cant think that any skilled player is that starved for isk ...and any that is and does do this shouldn't be playing dust i mean i suppose it is a small financial exploit ..but not really in the time it take you to get an alt up to 100 k wp and 5 mill sp ...a proto prolly will have put 20-60 mill into his account lolz
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 609	Posted - 2013.05.24 13:04:00 - [25] - Quote calisk galern wrote: I disagree with this, when the market opens up it would make this stuff being on it completely pointless since you could just trade yourselff a quarter of million isk worth of gear by making a new char, if they aren't tradeable, then I suppose it's fine. militia gear is cheap as hell, and easy to use, what more do you really need. I do agree with every weapon having a militia level, but no reason for you to get it for free. The point is to encourage new players to try everything, only providing 4 starter fits is the same as limiting fits, as it tunnels players into specific suits, what you want to do is give them plenty of options, and there are already free suits so your point is invalid. Giving them more free premade suits stuff just balances out the free militia stuff they already have and encourages them to try different ways of playing the game and strategies. The whole point of the battle academy is so they can learn dust. After battle academy ends its all taken away anyway, so they don't get to keep anything free, and besides if its so cheap why have it cost anything at all for players just starting out? its unnecessary when they should be learning the core mechanics. Maybe you should ask CCP to provide you with a list of most popular/used drop suit fits in battle academy? I think we both know they would be the 4 premade free ones now don't we? Its a loaded class progression system when you provide 4 clear options right in someones face. The game sells itself to new players on variety, so show it to them at the militia level.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.05.24 13:07:00 - [26] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: calisk galern wrote: I disagree with this, when the market opens up it would make this stuff being on it completely pointless since you could just trade yourselff a quarter of million isk worth of gear by making a new char, if they aren't tradeable, then I suppose it's fine. militia gear is cheap as hell, and easy to use, what more do you really need. I do agree with every weapon having a militia level, but no reason for you to get it for free. The point is to encourage new players to try everything, only providing 4 starter fits is the same as limiting fits, as it tunnels players into specific suits, what you want to do is give them plenty of options, and there are already free suits so your point is invalid. Giving them more free premade suits stuff just balances out the free militia stuff they already have and encourages them to try different ways of playing the game and strategies. The whole point of the battle academy is so they can learn dust. After battle academy ends its all taken away anyway, so they don't get to keep anything free, and besides if its so cheap why have it cost anything at all for players just starting out? its unnecessary when they should be learning the core mechanics. Maybe you should ask CCP to provide you with a list of most popular/used drop suit fits in battle academy? I think we both know they would be the 4 premade free ones now don't we? Its a loaded class progression system when you provide 4 clear options right in someones face. The game sells itself to new players on variety, so show it to them at the militia level. couldn't have put it any better

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1709	Posted - 2013.05.24 13:46:00 - [27] - Quote Moving from General Discussions to Feedback/Requests.

RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 260	Posted - 2013.05.24 16:10:00 - [28] - Quote Currently in my guide to being a logi I've implemented a suggestion by Chankk Saotome where you take a break from your Main and build an alt just to test all the weapons. This would be a much better solution. To start out with the ability to test everything would be great. Like one Duster said it may be coming with the implementation of the armory... however when that will come is another matter entirely as this may be an easier fix.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 482	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:38:00 - [29] - Quote Good idea.
shellhead Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:00:00 - [30] - Quote Love it, as a relatively new player I still remember dreading over if I really needed to spend the isk for a heavy suit just to try out the FG.



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