DUST Search - Shield HAV Vs Armor HAV

TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

With the opt-in respec coming in the near future, I'm going to be taking the handful of SP I spent outside of HAV's and move them back into HAV and become mega pro ultra super-duper HAV man.

That said, I currently roll shield tanks. Before the May 14th respec I was an armor pilot. I'm trying to decide which I like more, and I'm looking for, surprisingly enough, your opinion? Which do you like better and why?

For me, I'm leaning towards shields (pending plebian word garbage) for their sustainability. What I mean by this is that I like to stay near the other teammates (not redline railsniping, actually out there), and I like to put myself between us and them, effectively tanking their small arms fire while providing our guys cover. The faster shield regeneration lets me take small arms fire with near impunity, and locus / AV grenades, along with swarm launchers, don't seem to be that effective against shields, while the explosion damage would normally plow through armor.

On the flipside, when I rolled armor tanks, 1v1'ing other tanks was much easier. Activate a couple of hardeners and go to town on the other guy. Alternating hardeners let me keep a high resistance when helping infantry move while taking fire, but the armor damage I took would not rep back unless I used a rep cycle, putting it on cooldown.

The proletariat may now litter the thread with their wordvomit.

TL;DR - What HAV do you like and why?

Inb4LLAV. Fun as hell to drive and makes plenty of road pizza.

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TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 433	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:49:00 - [1] - Quote With the opt-in respec coming in the near future, I'm going to be taking the handful of SP I spent outside of HAV's and move them back into HAV and become mega pro ultra super-duper HAV man. That said, I currently roll shield tanks. Before the May 14th respec I was an armor pilot. I'm trying to decide which I like more, and I'm looking for, surprisingly enough, your opinion? Which do you like better and why? For me, I'm leaning towards shields (pending plebian word garbage) for their sustainability. What I mean by this is that I like to stay near the other teammates (not redline railsniping, actually out there), and I like to put myself between us and them, effectively tanking their small arms fire while providing our guys cover. The faster shield regeneration lets me take small arms fire with near impunity, and locus / AV grenades, along with swarm launchers, don't seem to be that effective against shields, while the explosion damage would normally plow through armor. On the flipside, when I rolled armor tanks, 1v1'ing other tanks was much easier. Activate a couple of hardeners and go to town on the other guy. Alternating hardeners let me keep a high resistance when helping infantry move while taking fire, but the armor damage I took would not rep back unless I used a rep cycle, putting it on cooldown. The proletariat may now litter the thread with their wordvomit. TL;DR - What HAV do you like and why? Inb4LLAV. Fun as hell to drive and makes plenty of road pizza.
Xender17 Murderz for hire 94	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:51:00 - [2] - Quote Shield. I like speed that its suppose to have.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:52:00 - [3] - Quote From my experience, I always have trouble taking out shield tankers with my AV gear. Will spec into Flux grenades and let you know if that changes things. Funny how you're gonna get advice from someone who enjoys destroying tanks :D
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 443	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:53:00 - [4] - Quote First off, +1 for this post, made me chuckle a few. Second off, I love all tanks because they alspodey the same
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 433	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:53:00 - [5] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Shield. I like speed that its suppose to have. Speed was a deciding factor for me with the May 14th respec. The way it is now, armor has more base speed, but takes a big hit with armor plates.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 433	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:54:00 - [6] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: From my experience, I always have trouble taking out shield tankers with my AV gear. Will spec into Flux grenades and let you know if that changes things. Funny how you're gonna get advice from someone who enjoys destroying tanks :D No worries meng. If I die to someone specced into AV, I tip my hat and move on.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 356	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:56:00 - [7] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: With the opt-in respec coming in the near future, I'm going to be taking the handful of SP I spent outside of HAV's and move them back into HAV and become mega pro ultra super-duper HAV man. That said, I currently roll shield tanks. Before the May 14th respec I was an armor pilot. I'm trying to decide which I like more, and I'm looking for, surprisingly enough, your opinion? Which do you like better and why? For me, I'm leaning towards shields (pending plebian word garbage) for their sustainability. What I mean by this is that I like to stay near the other teammates (not redline railsniping, actually out there), and I like to put myself between us and them, effectively tanking their small arms fire while providing our guys cover. The faster shield regeneration lets me take small arms fire with near impunity, and locus / AV grenades, along with swarm launchers, don't seem to be that effective against shields, while the explosion damage would normally plow through armor. On the flipside, when I rolled armor tanks, 1v1'ing other tanks was much easier. Activate a couple of hardeners and go to town on the other guy. Alternating hardeners let me keep a high resistance when helping infantry move while taking fire, but the armor damage I took would not rep back unless I used a rep cycle, putting it on cooldown. The proletariat may now litter the thread with their wordvomit. TL;DR - What HAV do you like and why? Inb4LLAV. Fun as hell to drive and makes plenty of road pizza. Sheild tanks are better for pubs but armor tanks are better for PC. Armor has alooot of damage resist and can rep insainly fast. Couple that with barely any swarms in pc games you can eat up forge guns better than a sheild tank. Also, sheild tanks basically have no active resist it lasts for 10 secs and has a 30 second cool. the sheild booster sucks in comparission as well... and blasters are deffenetly better than missiles armor tanks get blaster bonuses on top of blasters already being better. So easy choice
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 443	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:57:00 - [8] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Doc Noah wrote: From my experience, I always have trouble taking out shield tankers with my AV gear. Will spec into Flux grenades and let you know if that changes things. Funny how you're gonna get advice from someone who enjoys destroying tanks :D No worries meng. If I die to someone specced into AV, I tip my hat and move on. Good Guy FlyingPig
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 52	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:07:00 - [9] - Quote Good swarm launchers will become increasingly more common as people flesh out their primary roles and find a place they're happy enough with to take a break and allocate half a million SP elsewhere. I imagine that will be pretty soon. That being said, I think armor tanks are at a pretty clear advantage over shield ones, currently.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 435	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:12:00 - [10] - Quote Keep 'em coming guys, good points all around so far. Starting to lean towards armor now. Always had an affinity for it in Eve. Also hoping some new players see this thread and decide to try out tanks. Great fun, they be.

Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 296	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:19:00 - [11] - Quote I just started a new character specifically to use tanks, and am leaning toward caldari, if only because I just LOVE the fireworks(big turret+2 cycled smalls= SO MANY EXPLOSIONS!) of missiles, and well, any explosive weaponry. rails and forges are the bane of my existence though. it is funny to get hit with a swarm, laugh it off, and return a massive volley of missiles their way(for once, I had blues who actually manned the turrets, not just sat on their thumbs in the chairs. it was awesome. ever seen 10 missiles in under 2 seconds? that's awesome.) though the missile large could use just a little bit higher base tracking speed(maybe ~10%ish)
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:33:00 - [12] - Quote Well, I really never thought of it that way. While certainly it seems much more convenient to be able to take a lot of damage from small arms fire and stick around not giving a ****, shields (from what I've heard at least; I've always been an armor tanker) just don't stand up to serious enemies with serious AV.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 273	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:39:00 - [13] - Quote Shield tanker here, swarms being missiles have an absolutely horrible efficiency versus shields and I tend to want to ignore small-arms fire, shield tanks also have much faster recovery times, only thing i miss is the old "being faster" then armor tankers.
Spy Mouse Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 44	Posted - 2013.05.23 23:18:00 - [14] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: mega pro ultra super-duper HAV man.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 399	Posted - 2013.05.23 23:21:00 - [15] - Quote Shield for fighting infantry Armor for fighting Tanks. If you have a buddy in your corp who also tanks, you should coordinate.
Neoproto D Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 02:15:00 - [16] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: With the opt-in respec coming in the near future, I'm going to be taking the handful of SP I spent outside of HAV's and move them back into HAV and become mega pro ultra super-duper HAV man. That said, I currently roll shield tanks. Before the May 14th respec I was an armor pilot. I'm trying to decide which I like more, and I'm looking for, surprisingly enough, your opinion. Which do you like better and why? For me, I'm leaning towards shields (pending plebian word garbage) for their sustainability. What I mean by this is that I like to stay near the other teammates (not redline railsniping, actually out there), and I like to put myself between us and them, effectively tanking their small arms fire while providing our guys cover. The faster shield regeneration lets me take small arms fire with near impunity, and locus / AV grenades, along with swarm launchers, don't seem to be that effective against shields, while the explosion damage would normally plow through armor. On the flipside, when I rolled armor tanks, 1v1'ing other tanks was much easier. Activate a couple of hardeners and go to town on the other guy. Alternating hardeners let me keep a high resistance when helping infantry move while taking fire, but the armor damage I took would not rep back unless I used a rep cycle, putting it on cooldown. The proletariat may now litter the thread with their wordvomit. TL;DR - What HAV do you like and why? Inb4LLAV. Fun as hell to drive and makes plenty of road pizza. Lol I like your style man :)
Villanor Aquarius Cygnus Tactical Operations Gentlemen's Agreement 95	Posted - 2013.05.24 04:13:00 - [17] - Quote When it comes to fighting tanks you all are doing it wrong. Shield fit missile tank will destroy any armor tank if you aren't terrible. Missiles do 129% damage to armor. They are the only turret that does bonus damage to armor. Also shield tanks are more nimble than armor tanks and missiles have a base range of about 250m. Take a missile tank out and stay at distance from a blaster tank and use your decent tracking and higher acceleration to stay at range and pound on his armor. The biggest risk to a shield missile tank is a blaster shield tank though. Although blaster shields tends to be a fairly squishy tank due to PG issues so get any teammate to plasma cannon or toss a couple AV nades to assist your missiles and you can fare alright. Tanks are rock paper scissor. Rails can outrange anything can be killed at short range by anything but effective against shield tanks. Missiles at medium range can slay armor tanks of any variety. Blasters, short range will destroy any tank, on fast tanks they hurt tank, on slow tanks they run the risk of being kited.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 443	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:54:00 - [18] - Quote Any other tankers out there with opinions? This is a good thread so far, plenty of pros and cons for both sides. I'm hoping this thread gets more tankers onto the field by showing them both sides of tanking without having to test them out.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations 89	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:04:00 - [19] - Quote I'm a big fan of missiles as both an AI weapon AND an Anti-Armor weapon. It's not the best at either role, but adaptability is king. I'm specced into shield tanks at the moment, and I regret it. = / I'd be interested in seeing how an adv/proto missile turret functions on an armor frame. Armor tanks are the speed kings now. With enough resistance and repair modules, and some other goodies they can really zip around (and away from danger) quickly. Shield tanks simply don't have the slots for this. = /
undeadsoldier90 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 473	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:27:00 - [20] - Quote Have to agree with the armor for pc shield for pub, for obvious above stated reasons. But another thing that makes armor better you get a bonus to hybrid..... hybrid is blasters and rail where as missiles are just missiles. You need about 13 mill sp to fully spec shield tank, missiles, and hybrid all to proto. So really its up to you but honestly armor is better.

rebecca watson OSG Planetary Operations 61	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:36:00 - [21] - Quote According to the wording, the new description for the Gallente Enforcer HAV gives a bonus to Blaster damage, not hybrid (blaster and rail) So only blaster, only after Enforcer skill is trained, and only on the Enforcer HAV?
rebecca watson OSG Planetary Operations 61	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:38:00 - [22] - Quote Another factor, is that I noticed it takes less skill points for all of the shield modules, compared to the armor modules. I haven't double checked the numbers, but it looked like there were a bunch of higher skills necessary for the armor mods.
Exergonic TeamPlayers EoN. 25	Posted - 2013.05.25 01:39:00 - [23] - Quote undeadsoldier90 wrote: Have to agree with the armor for pc shield for pub, for obvious above stated reasons. But another thing that makes armor better you get a bonus to hybrid..... hybrid is blasters and rail where as missiles are just missiles. You need about 13 mill sp to fully spec shield tank, missiles, and hybrid all to proto. So really its up to you but honestly armor is better. Its not Hybrid anymore bro... They switched it to Blasters Way i look at it they have there pros and cons Armor has better repairs, were shields have passive regen Armor tanks active mods are awesome, were shields have better passive mods The way i look at it, in a PC match you can still run and gun with AV nades... besides the fact that tanks are normally to busy with other tanks. My opinion would be Shields
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1672	Posted - 2013.05.25 01:57:00 - [24] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Shield. I like speed that its suppose to have. You mean the tank that has 20 km/hr less speed?
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 168	Posted - 2013.05.25 02:06:00 - [25] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Xender17 wrote: Shield. I like speed that its suppose to have. You mean the tank that has 20 km/hr less speed? Is that true when the Armor tank is fitted with Armor Plates? If so, I can get rid of this shield tank alt I have. Maybe it was just a trick of the mind, but it certainly SEEMED to rotate and start up faster.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1672	Posted - 2013.05.25 02:23:00 - [26] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Xender17 wrote: Shield. I like speed that its suppose to have. You mean the tank that has 20 km/hr less speed? Is that true when the Armor tank is fitted with Armor Plates? If so, I can get rid of this shield tank alt I have. Maybe it was just a trick of the mind, but it certainly SEEMED to rotate and start up faster. Faster acceleration than after slapping on a plate.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2192	Posted - 2013.05.25 02:24:00 - [27] - Quote Somas are still pretty sweet :D
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1341	Posted - 2013.05.25 02:37:00 - [28] - Quote The Gallente vehicles are superior in Tank v Tank situations, that said they're at a severe disadvantage when against Infantry AV. The swarm launcher and AV grenades are the most common AV weapon on the field, both do 40% more damage to Armor than shields (Shields take 90% damage from explosive, Armor, 130%). They are also faster than their Caldari counterparts, allowing them to quickly assault Caldari Attacks and retreating when the job is done. The Gallente Enforcer gives a bonus to Blaster damage and range, making them much better at assaulting another Tank in CQC compared to any other tank currently implemented in DUST, their power and range allows them to decimate shield tanks. The Caldari vehicles are superior when dealing with enemy Infantry, their shields allowing them to take more damage from the majority of infantry AV. Despite being heavily shielded, they are slower than the Gallente, making them more viable at range and away from most things. Rails and Missiles seem to be more suited to them than the Blaster, for instance, the rail has a high amount of CPU usage, thankfully the Caldari have a high CPU output. The Caldari Enforcer gives a bonus to Missile damage and range, this allows them to keep the armor based Gallente vehicles at range despite being slower than them, I've seen a number of Gallente tanks burn to the missile based Falchion due to the massive bonus Missiles have against Armor, providing they outrange their opponent. TL;DR, Armor for CQC Vehicle Engagements, Shields for Infantry and long range Vehicle Engagements.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 175	Posted - 2013.05.25 02:46:00 - [29] - Quote Armor over Shields in my opinion. Armor gives far better Resistances. Sure you take more damage from Swarms but most of the time I am taking greatly reduced damage due to Hardeners. Rocky terrain barely scratches Armor. Obliterates Shields. With all the LAV's running around, you will get run into at least once a match. That is almost a one hit KO to Shield Tanks shield's. Huge advantage against enemy Tanks due to being able to easily fit an Active Heat Sink. Seriously, most of my fights against Shield Tanks involve me ramming their Shield's away and killing them almost instantly. More Powergrid. The Armor Plate skill reduces PG cost. At least once a match I am hit with a Flux Grenade. That pretty much would have been death for a Gunnlogi. Faster. You do have to pay closer attention and have to use that amazingly annoying Module Wheel more often.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 204	Posted - 2013.05.25 02:48:00 - [30] - Quote As a dedicated forge gunner I do have to say that when catching a tank of either type, after their resist mods/reps have just shut down, there's not a whole lot of difference in how hard they are to take down. 3 to 4 shots from a Kaalakiota at my current skills and mods. However, I do notice that armor tanks are much more resistant to my efforts, if I attack them with their resistance mods on, than shield tanks tend to be, reps or no.



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