A logi is the ammo guy, the alarm clock guy, and the waterboy. He has a gun to protect himself while doing those jobs.

A logi is the ammo guy, the alarm clock guy, and the waterboy. He has a gun to protect himself while doing those jobs.

Everyone knows about the nanite injector situation. It's completely broken. I don't know anybody that is still using them.

This in conjunction with the equipment selection wheel being glitchy has turned me into a full blown assault logi.

I've stopped advertising myself as a logi and I used to love that role.

The equipment selection wheel and weapon selection wheel are supposed to be fixed, but the nanite injector needs to go back to the way it was in Chromosome. Lots of people throw that around, but this is really a case of fixing something that wasn't broken. It really appears the number one priority here was to avoid screwing up KDR due to revive farmers in pub matches (I could be wrong, but it seems to be a consensus among many players I talk to).

With PC clones are more valuable than ever. I'd guess 20% of the clones lost in PC battles are due to the lack of nanite injectors in the field right now and that is VERY conservative in my opinion. If you consider my conservative number this could be costing an attacker or defender who reinforced with a clone pack at least 16 million ISK per battle.

I'd be interested in seeing the percentage of players that are strictly shield tanking right now as well. It appears to be rampant. Shield tanking and the problems that heavy players foresaw in Uprising led to many of them specing out of heavy suits thus rendering the repair tool less important. Heavies seem to be making a comeback and we may see more after the optional respec so the repair tool may make a comeback.

All in all the logi role isn't what it used to be. Perhaps it is because I'm "failing to adapt" or maybe it's because the logi suits are so attractive to build an assault role around. Either way, it seems like something that needs to be discussed.

Good post! I feel your pain. The Nanite injector is ridiculous, however I have noticed that it is a little better then when uprising was first released. It is rather frustrating being the only merc in New Eden carrying an injector, I never get revived and am constantly losing suits.

My biggest gripe right now is the amount of time I sped trying to select my equipment from the equipment wheel. I spend so much time trying to select my rep tool that my fellow merc dies or passively heals to full health before I can have my tool in hand. Not to mention all the times I've accidentally shot mercs thinking I have selected my rep tool. I wish this problem was a priority to CCP but it just seems to be constantly neglected.

Maybe they will fix it b

and for nano hives i have a crazy idea that all of you are going to hate for dumb reasons, instead of tosing the nano hive down, hold it and shoot a cluster of nanites that will swarm around the spot you shot them at, they will stay in that cloud and function how they do now, except they will deplete faster than nanohives do now, and after a cool down another swarm would be ready to fire, that way technically less effective short term, i can actualy keep my team resupplied and not be so damn stingy

Incidentally that's how ammo resupply works in other games of this genre. What a funny coincidence. Good thing CCP decided against that.

As for nanohives....

Why aren't they restocked when you visit a supply depot or other nanohives? Remote explosives and proximity mines get restocked from depots and they use an equipment slot just like hives do. I don't get it lol maybe they can impliment that into the game soon.

I managed to revive pretty well today, I only remember ~3 instances where I couldn't revive someone. I feel like it's a bit better now, but that might just be my imagination.

That being said, it's still not good enough, especially on uneven ground.

I'd suggest you make the area of use for the needle wider. Make a Nano-spray similar to the MAG medkit tool. Anyway to make it work!

Otherwise OP is right, there is barely any support role for logi's. Im limited to planting Drop uplinks, nanos, repping, and using an active scanner.

Mark0h has the right of it.

And the OP (and others in the thread) have rightly pointed out that the selection wheel, especially for KB/M users, is right at the edge of being useless.

Further, it is worth mentioning that the SP rewards for many useful activities simply don't make them worth doing.

Helping out the team is one thing. Scanning, re-hacking a partially taken null cannon, repairing a vehicle are a different thing all together. In an FPS where WPs are the way to advance there's only so much taking-one-for-the-team a character can do before they start to fall behind and get discouraged.

Here are some alternatives based on logistics drop suits that I've heard mentioned.

• Electronic warfare -- jamming comms, suppressing scanning and sensors
• Localized invisibility and shield bubbles

Not short term I'm sure but with proper skill point compensation worth while.

And that's the key: logis have to be compensated in skill points for the class of actions that define their class. Solutions have to be found so the SP system isn't abused -- but if the no-compensation situation persists fewer and fewer people will step up to be logis.

I know I am a newb here but m y biggest gripe with the logi suits are the lack of shield and available defense. Mabye it is my team just not defending me or I suck, my average K/D with logi is 0.5 or lower.. This being said, I find myself dying a lot trying to revive dead team mates with the injector which seems to be a crap shoot. 50% is a generous statistic for using it. Regardless, I still find myself running out to help team mates only to be shot in the back as the fight has shifted elsewhere. I am very frustrated with the logi class as there are way to many people just running and gunning. Players typically do not appreciate the uplinks, nannohives, repair tools or injectors that are used rarely. I think the biggest reason that this game has little value on logi class is because of the reward for killing opponents. K/D ratio's are important to players and everyone wants to have the most kills, getting triage and revive points just don't feel as rewarding as putting a red player down in the dirt.

It's a shame that you are getting into the logi role now. It was a lot of fun and felt as though you were vital to your teams success. If I were you I'd respec, stick with the suit but outfit it as though you are assault. Go as far into nanocircuitry as possible for the nanohives and L2 uplinks. Leave it at that as far as equipment goes until they fix it.

You'll get better at your gun game while you wait.

Thank you for the advice, I think you are right but I really feel I can help out the battle as a logi than as a shooter. Too many people out there are new to squad play and just run around solo blasting away.

Also, the underline problem in this game is the rewards system, I still feel that there is too much emphasis on running down players with LAV's and shooting people with Tac AR's. Unless the game is ambush, shouldn't people be focusing on controlling points?