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ReGnYuM Imperfects Negative-Feedback 7	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:17:00 - [1] - Quote Pros Cons Oh and BTW frist
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 463	Posted - 2013.05.23 03:21:00 - [2] - Quote This section is for map feedback, not mode feedback (although I would like to see mode feedback sections).
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 388	Posted - 2013.05.23 10:47:00 - [3] - Quote seems like the perfect place to put a mode feedback. A reduced warbarge timer would be great. A reduced delay after clone count goes to 0 would also be great. Used exclusively to grind SP after the cap.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.05.25 13:05:00 - [4] - Quote I spend more tme gettng into a battle than it takes to conduct an ambush nowadays. that may be an exaggeration but this is how it feels. 50 for a clone count is dumb.
General John Ripper 187. Unclaimed. 295	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:40:00 - [5] - Quote too low clone count. game ends just as i am getting into it.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1351	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:23:00 - [6] - Quote Pros: none Cons: Clusterfuck Small map Consists only of running around aimlessly and shooting Many roles aren't viable because of the above points
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1351	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:24:00 - [7] - Quote Sontie wrote: A reduced delay after clone count goes to 0 would also be great. The match isn't over at 0 clone count- someone has to try respawning while the clone count is 0.

CCP LogicLoop Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.28 03:57:00 - [8] - Quote Mode specific pros and cons are welcome in this section and encouraged.

Eggress Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.05.28 04:18:00 - [9] - Quote Pros: It's not Skirmish You can be successful lone-wolfing You're only stuck with a given set of pubs for five to seven minutes. Cons: Poor spawn system rewards and encourages bad play and usually makes limited use of the now very large maps.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 41	Posted - 2013.05.28 13:08:00 - [10] - Quote Ambush Pros (Gameplay): 1) Target-rich and fast-paced. 2) No safe sniping from redline. 3) Skirmish can get boring when playing weak opponents. 4) Skirmish can get expensive when playing strong opponents. 5) Tankers can't retreat :-). Ambush Cons (Gameplay): 1) Teamwork? Optional. Ambush Pros (Mechanics): 1) No AFK farmers. 2) Lesser frequency of lag and sound glitch. Ambush Cons (Mechanics): 1) Initial spawn often a feeding frenzy. - Shotty GoBang

Lycuo BetaMax. CRONOS. 20	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:03:00 - [11] - Quote Pros: -Fast paced and teaches a team how to push together and work as one cohesive unit (assuming ur teaming up). -When against unfair odds (aka two or three squads on other team and just yours on your team) its short enough to bear with it and just try to push for a few kills. -As stated before, great for when you have SP capped to keep farming SP as fast as possible. Cons: -Initial spawn is stupid... In 10s of thousands of years you cant tell me they cant figure out how to spawn the whole team together? -Monotonous game play because maps always come down to fights in the same spots. After all is said and done this is the most balanced game type imo.

CCP LogicLoop Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.05.29 04:53:00 - [12] - Quote Lycuo wrote: Pros: -Fast paced and teaches a team how to push together and work as one cohesive unit (assuming ur teaming up). -When against unfair odds (aka two or three squads on other team and just yours on your team) its short enough to bear with it and just try to push for a few kills. -As stated before, great for when you have SP capped to keep farming SP as fast as possible. Cons: -Initial spawn is stupid... In 10s of thousands of years you cant tell me they cant figure out how to spawn the whole team together? -Monotonous game play because maps always come down to fights in the same spots. After all is said and done this is the most balanced game type imo. Actually we had a variation of the ambush mode that you spawn in team areas like skirmish but we received a lot of negative feedback about it and pulled it.

matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.05.29 06:14:00 - [13] - Quote Pros : fast Cons: spawning w/o uplink is still terrible more than not, almost exclusive large complexes forces very poor utilization of map size. Aformentioned poor spawn makes it difficult to get away from enemy to regroup. Continued use of tanks vehicles some matches impossible because after dealing with it you still lost too many clones.
G Torq ALTA B2O 147	Posted - 2013.05.29 09:56:00 - [14] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Lycuo wrote: Pros: -Fast paced and teaches a team how to push together and work as one cohesive unit (assuming ur teaming up). -When against unfair odds (aka two or three squads on other team and just yours on your team) its short enough to bear with it and just try to push for a few kills. -As stated before, great for when you have SP capped to keep farming SP as fast as possible. Cons: -Initial spawn is stupid... In 10s of thousands of years you cant tell me they cant figure out how to spawn the whole team together? -Monotonous game play because maps always come down to fights in the same spots. After all is said and done this is the most balanced game type imo. Actually we had a variation of the ambush mode that you spawn in team areas like skirmish but we received a lot of negative feedback about it and pulled it. Seems current setup is based on some weighting system - give more weight to the Squad-lead, if he is in-theather?
Lycuo BetaMax. CRONOS. 20	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:10:00 - [15] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Lycuo wrote: Pros: -Fast paced and teaches a team how to push together and work as one cohesive unit (assuming ur teaming up). -When against unfair odds (aka two or three squads on other team and just yours on your team) its short enough to bear with it and just try to push for a few kills. -As stated before, great for when you have SP capped to keep farming SP as fast as possible. Cons: -Initial spawn is stupid... In 10s of thousands of years you cant tell me they cant figure out how to spawn the whole team together? -Monotonous game play because maps always come down to fights in the same spots. After all is said and done this is the most balanced game type imo. Actually we had a variation of the ambush mode that you spawn in team areas like skirmish but we received a lot of negative feedback about it and pulled it. My biggest problem with this is there is no way for me to recoup my isk lost from an initial spawn in the enemy starting spawn. In an ambush if you do well now and get 1k WP you still only receive 210 - 250 thousand isk. That is the price of my proto logi that is healing and keeping my team alive. And to be quite honest i wouldnt mind it if it only happened like once or twice a day, but it seems to happen like 4 - 8 times in a row if you are continually playing ambush. Also, just a further question is there anyway to possibly increase the payout of the winners by just a bit more? Another con i see is theres not much of a difference between payouts between winners and losers so while im still trying to win, for stats and pride reasons, others take their good suits off causing our team to lose because they probably dont have the money i do and are willing to lose a bit for one rounds win. On top of this there doesnt seem to be much of a correlation between the amount of isk destroyed and the amount of isk payed out. Ive had rounds where we have blown up 4 or 5 tanks, 2 of which are enforcers, and others are standard tanks and my payout is seemingly based on WP due to the same payout the rounds before for the same amount of WP
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 60	Posted - 2013.05.30 07:48:00 - [16] - Quote how about the game loads into the map before the battle begins and you can freely move but cannot call vehicles, fire weapons or use equipment until the game starts 5-10 seconds after. This gives bad initial spawns the chance to regroup with the rest of the team and the other team members the chance to fortify their positions before heading out.
Agent Joseph ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 1	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:02:00 - [17] - Quote RESPONSES TO OTHER'S FEEDBACK Fundamentally, CCP sandbox games enforce a few key player ethics: The first is optimize Risk vs. Reward. In EvE, the adage is "Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it." If your prototype logi suit is both useless and getting popped in the first few seconds on Ambush every time, that isn't a reason to change the game mode. Play a game mode where logi is appropriate. Or go with a cheaper logi suit. Or use a medium frame instead. Or don't spawn in the initial deadly frenzy. Or play better. I bet most of the time, you're being killed by a militia suit wielding a militia gun. Ruminate on that a moment. The second CCP sandbox ethic is: play together or die alone. It's actually cool that folks are bringing logi into Ambush. It shows that they are playing together. Or trying to, anyway. THIS is a reason for CCP to take notice. How do we make the reward for team play stronger? For example: increase WP for reps, especially guardian rewards (reps under fire).
Furrow33 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:42:00 - [18] - Quote I like ambush except when you just randomly spawn right in the middle of the action. By the time you react your dead. Clone count does seem to be pretty low also. Maybe a good idea would be for another ambush option. Whats clone count now? 50? Have a 50 clone match. A 75 clone match. A 100 clone match. 50 is good for a quick little match but it would be nice for a more drawn out option. About the different roles in this mode. I play strictly logi and I can do decent in ambush. I run around repping and dropping links. Works good. Actually easier for wp.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 368	Posted - 2013.06.04 14:30:00 - [19] - Quote more clones!! infantry only (or a mode that has this) we asked forever to bump up clone count, and Ambush arrives on this build with LESS... and until you address the unstoppable LAV spam, at the VERY least, put out a 'no vehicle' game mode
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 126	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:45:00 - [20] - Quote relating to how small the match can be, a new mode that is a bigger ambush (150 clones) should be added. Call it, something or another, attrition?

Straum Arjn Scholae Evocati 15	Posted - 2013.06.06 04:38:00 - [21] - Quote My only problem is the spawning. In one game, if I die 10 times, 4 or 5 of them is because I spawn inside the enemy team. In fact, the last 10 Ambush games I have played, my initial spawn was the same as the enemy team initial spawn.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1464	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:50:00 - [22] - Quote A big spawn bug that nobody ever talks about is when the default spawn puts you on an uplink anyway.

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.06.13 02:24:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: A big spawn bug that nobody ever talks about is when the default spawn puts you on an uplink anyway. Can you specify how to replicate this issue?

Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 186	Posted - 2013.06.13 03:35:00 - [24] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: A big spawn bug that nobody ever talks about is when the default spawn puts you on an uplink anyway. Can you specify how to replicate this issue? When there are uplinks available but you don't want to spawn on them so you press triangle for the random spawn. I would say maybe 70% (?) of the time it will still put you onto an uplink. This might not be a bug but might be related instead to where people are grouped and the random spawn appearing as though it is on an uplink. Not sure. But it does happen pretty frequently and would be a bit coincidental if what I just said was true.
Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 186	Posted - 2013.06.13 03:39:00 - [25] - Quote I personally enjoy the low clone count of ambush. Makes for fast matches that don't go on forever with you getting stomped if the teams are unbalanced. Maybe add a mode that has a 80 or 100 clone count to add a little variety though. Please don't just sack the 50 clone mode though. Edit: stupid double post made useful!
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 120	Posted - 2013.06.13 07:36:00 - [26] - Quote Driftward wrote: I personally enjoy the low clone count of ambush. Makes for fast matches that don't go on forever with you getting stomped if the teams are unbalanced. Maybe add a mode that has a 80 or 100 clone count to add a little variety though. Please don't just sack the 50 clone mode though. Edit: stupid double post made useful! that's not variety, that's the exact same thing except longer :P Also, is there a reason when clones are depleted, most of the time it takes a while for the game to actually end?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1553	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:22:00 - [27] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: A big spawn bug that nobody ever talks about is when the default spawn puts you on an uplink anyway. Can you specify how to replicate this issue? You press triangle, but you still either spawn on an uplink, or right next to an uplink.

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.06.14 03:15:00 - [28] - Quote Driftward wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: A big spawn bug that nobody ever talks about is when the default spawn puts you on an uplink anyway. Can you specify how to replicate this issue? When there are uplinks available but you don't want to spawn on them so you press triangle for the random spawn. I would say maybe 70% (?) of the time it will still put you onto an uplink. This might not be a bug but might be related instead to where people are grouped and the random spawn appearing as though it is on an uplink. Not sure. But it does happen pretty frequently and would be a bit coincidental if what I just said was true. Ok thanks. I have mentioned this to QA. See if we can reproduce the problem. Thank you for the details.

matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2013.06.14 04:24:00 - [29] - Quote on that note i think that the random spawn needs to flip around instead of trying so hard to spawn near blues try harder to spawn not near reds :P it would also help the issue of getting trapped for a long time in a tiny area because that's where teammates are so random always drops you there even though there is a giant map available
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 399	Posted - 2013.06.14 05:22:00 - [30] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: A big spawn bug that nobody ever talks about is when the default spawn puts you on an uplink anyway. +1. Happens to me all the time.



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