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Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:18:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Severance Pay wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:But CRONOS has made a very bad rep telling ppl to "HTFU" because they are exploiting poorly written game mechanics justifying that its okay to do in eve so its okay here, and the solution is to break apart your corp to not get screwed over. 100% dirty, say its "new eden" but no one likes you guys because of the situation. I like you guys as ppl, sha kharne is a freind of mine and we share laughs but very broken tactics Problem is that people are abusing the word exploiting. CRONOS is just using the tools that are in the game, they're rubbish and I think everyone in the alliance agrees with it that they need to change, until then, well - game on. Oh wait. Where is the AWOX button? I R NUB, soz I dun know wear it iz. Oh right, it IS NOT a game mechanic! clearly someone has never heard of emergent gameplay. Anyway, find the CCP post that explicitly calls it an exploit and ill stop. Emergent game play is like flying a dropship on top of the MCC or sniping from towers with forgeguns or lesbian logis. Taking advantage of an issue that we know for a fact CCP is trying to fix and intends to change in the future is exploitation. Try to justify it all you want, but it will only fly with your cronies |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:19:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:jenza aranda wrote: clearly someone has never heard of emergent gameplay. Anyway, find the CCP post that explicitly calls it an exploit and ill stop.
Ric, you were looking for an answer as to the hate. Here's your answer. People circumventing a lack of game mechanics to ruin the gameplay experience -> while flaunting it. Yeah, man, I get it. It's definitely part of the equation but like I've mentioned before, CRONOS isn't the only guys doing it, only the biggest with the most districts. On top of that the hate has been around longer than this BetaMaxGate.
Now that being said, the gaming culture of Eve online, and make no mistake about it we have a lot EVE players here, is very different from most other games, man. If you think this is bad, the most famous stories that come from EVE make the stuff we've done in Dust 514 looks like something mother Theresa would do on a good day! We're talking about a community, where scamming, pirating and all kinds of morally shady things are stuff to be proud of, guys. If you don't wanna do stuff like that, it's all fine and dandy, but I recommend everyone to prepare for the worse, and all kinds creative ways people are going to try to screw you over. |
xTechno Vikingx
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:29:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:On top of that the hate has been around longer than this BetaMaxGate.
This is simply not true. Myself and everyone I know have always held good intentions toward SI\Cronos... no hate in the slightest. You have your specific haters (Imps and their friends) but that is a select few on the forums. I've had good natured communication with Sha in the past, and appreciated his thoughtfulness.
The past week has changed the ENTIRE outlook of your alliance and more importantly all the players associated with it, unfortunately. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1066
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:35:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:So for the last couple of days, guys, I've seen a lot of CRONOS guys verbally attacked here on Dust 514 forums, man, and people have been asking me: "Ric, what's your take on this whole CRONOS being the new bad guys of New Eden dude?" Now that's a great question, guys, and make no mistake about it, I'll be giving my thoughts on this whole issue in this post but first let me just point out a few things before I get started. I'm not here to argue about individual cases, like the BetaMaxGate or the now already famous/infamous CRONOS land grab and whether or not these things were the right thing to do or not because I don't wanna start another flame war, which is known to happen when I issue statements on hot button topics like this.
Now everyone knows I live above the arctic circle, which makes me a tough guy by nature, so a dude running his mouth online doesn't really make my ******* itch that much at all (once you've seen one of them "super packs" of big wolves passing through the town it kind of puts stuff into perspective for you), but because it's the hot topic I'm gonna give you my thoughts on it right now.
You see, guys, I think a lot of dudes are pissed off because, CRONOS (and see how I'm taking an outsider's point of view on this topic) is probably the biggest alliance out there who hold the largest chunk of land out there of any alliance. Of ANY alliance, guys, and that's the important point. At this moment CRONOS dominates Molden Heath, make no mistake about it. And that's the number one reason for all the hate, man, cause when you think about it you know, it makes perfect sense. STB is used to be bad guys when they were destroying people left and right in the early days. After that it was the Imperfects when they won the first tournament, guys. Well now it's CRONOS with all those juicy districts, dude. That's it, guys, it's not rocket science.
That being said, guys. I don't think anyone's ever gonna break CRONOS' record of more than 34% of all districts controlled by a single alliance. And knowing we took another one just last night, I think it's only fair that I end this post with a quote from a great man. "One more in the record books, one more in the win column, and one more for the bad guys."
Congrats, you're a clone farmer.
And Imps are here for harvest.
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Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:48:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:
Congrats, you're a clone farmer.
And Imps are here for harvest.
Well aren't you a real conversationalist. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:51:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:So for the last couple of days, guys, I've seen a lot of CRONOS guys verbally attacked here on Dust 514 forums, man, and people have been asking me: "Ric, what's your take on this whole CRONOS being the new bad guys of New Eden dude?" Now that's a great question, guys, and make no mistake about it, I'll be giving my thoughts on this whole issue in this post but first let me just point out a few things before I get started. I'm not here to argue about individual cases, like the BetaMaxGate or the now already famous/infamous CRONOS land grab and whether or not these things were the right thing to do or not because I don't wanna start another flame war, which is known to happen when I issue statements on hot button topics like this.
Now everyone knows I live above the arctic circle, which makes me a tough guy by nature, so a dude running his mouth online doesn't really make my ******* itch that much at all (once you've seen one of them "super packs" of big wolves passing through the town it kind of puts stuff into perspective for you), but because it's the hot topic I'm gonna give you my thoughts on it right now.
You see, guys, I think a lot of dudes are pissed off because, CRONOS (and see how I'm taking an outsider's point of view on this topic) is probably the biggest alliance out there who hold the largest chunk of land out there of any alliance. Of ANY alliance, guys, and that's the important point. At this moment CRONOS dominates Molden Heath, make no mistake about it. And that's the number one reason for all the hate, man, cause when you think about it you know, it makes perfect sense. STB is used to be bad guys when they were destroying people left and right in the early days. After that it was the Imperfects when they won the first tournament, guys. Well now it's CRONOS with all those juicy districts, dude. That's it, guys, it's not rocket science.
That being said, guys. I don't think anyone's ever gonna break CRONOS' record of more than 34% of all districts controlled by a single alliance. And knowing we took another one just last night, I think it's only fair that I end this post with a quote from a great man. "One more in the record books, one more in the win column, and one more for the bad guys." Congrats, you're a clone farmer. And Imps are here for harvest. Will be interesting to see how quickly that 34% shrinks...
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Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:55:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote: Will be interesting to see how quickly that 34% shrinks...
We guys are going a little off topic here but I can inform you that is has just gone up to 36%. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1066
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:57:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote: Will be interesting to see how quickly that 34% shrinks...
We guys are going a little off topic here but I can inform you that is has just gone up to 36%.
Good, more that Imps can take from you and sell to the goons |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:09:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote: Will be interesting to see how quickly that 34% shrinks...
We guys are going a little off topic here but I can inform you that is has just gone up to 36%. Good, more that Imps can take from you and sell to the goons You just keep on going about it, don't you? |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:15:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote: Will be interesting to see how quickly that 34% shrinks...
We guys are going a little off topic here but I can inform you that is has just gone up to 36%. Good, more that Imps can take from you and sell to the goons You just keep on going about it, don't you?
As opposed to "we are cronos we are here to farm all the districts" chest beating? |
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LeCuch
Red Star. EoN.
146
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:22:00 -
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CRONOS: Quanity over Quality |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:25:00 -
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It is pretty laughable they planted their flag on more places first because the E.U had a head start before N.A so that makes them the biggest land owners. Oh well makes our job that much more enjoyable. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
955
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:33:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Let me tell you, man it's some crazy **** when it comes to these super packs, Bruin. Here's an article about one super pack in russia. And yeah my town is pretty much all snow during winter but the last of it melted away last week. Now we have pretty much sun 24/7 here and to answer your last question, bro: No, we don't have homosexuals here whatsoever.
A pack of 400 wolves is no joke, when you said "super pack" I was thinking in the 60-80s range. You based up there for a job? You enjoy it or go stir crazy sometime? Have a family? If not, I can send my wife and kids up there for a bit. |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
147
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:34:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote: Will be interesting to see how quickly that 34% shrinks...
We guys are going a little off topic here but I can inform you that is has just gone up to 36%. Good, more that Imps can take from you and sell to the goons You just keep on going about it, don't you? As opposed to "we are cronos we are here to farm all the districts" chest beating? That was just a little side note and a shoutout for the guys for doing a good job, man! Not the point of this thread. |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:42:00 -
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People don't hate you. They think you're pathetic and bad at the game. |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
147
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:50:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:Let me tell you, man it's some crazy **** when it comes to these super packs, Bruin. Here's an article about one super pack in russia. And yeah my town is pretty much all snow during winter but the last of it melted away last week. Now we have pretty much sun 24/7 here and to answer your last question, bro: No, we don't have homosexuals here whatsoever. A pack of 400 wolves is no joke, when you said "super pack" I was thinking in the 60-80s range. You based up there for a job? You enjoy it or go stir crazy sometime? Have a family? If not, I can send my wife and kids up there for a bit.
Well you know, when I heard about that 400 wolves I couldn't believe it at first either! It's not like we've got that kind of numbers here anyways. In Russia everything is more crazy, no offence to any of you Russians out there, but here they manage the population effectively, but sometimes some school kid runs into one when going to school because those hipster nature folks want to "protect" the wildlife, man! And I'm pretty much born here, and yeah I didn't use to mind but then I lived in other places around the world and now the constant darkness during winter is pretty damn depressive, I'm sure the guys at CCP who moved up there to Iceland to work know a thing or two about that. |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
147
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:03:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:People don't hate you. They think you're pathetic and bad at the game. Well you seem to be keen on insulting us, that's for sure! |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
147
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:07:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:It is pretty laughable they planted their flag on more places first because the E.U had a head start before N.A so that makes them the biggest land owners. Oh well makes our job that much more enjoyable. Did we? Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing? |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:09:00 -
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I didn't insult you at all. I answered the OP. I'm sorry if you don't like the answer, but from what I read on the forums and hear in the game, that is the truth of the matter.
Sure, it sucks for those of you who have had nothing to do with the drama and are good at the game, but your associates appear to have reflected poorly on you. A shame, but that's just how things work. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
415
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:11:00 -
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you can't hold your districts lol - love your posts but your alliance is **** lol |
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LHughes
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:18:00 -
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I don't know why you're bigging CHRONO's up to be honest Ric
I invited Sha, Traky78 & Edrot round mine because they're gay & promised to help me with my dress sense.
They didn't. They fukd me. |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:18:00 -
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here is as an objective view as you can get this is a post from dust514.org 2 mouths ago talking about the awoxers the post its self is not that informative but the comments are the one i picked up on (coz it supports my view) is from a EVE player
Phlegethos wrote:TL'DR: spies, team killing part of Eve/CCP.. expect it. However it will get better in the long run.
/Wall of text As a pure Eve player in a SOV holding alliance I wanted to chime in. I haven't posted here in quite some time, but I've been keeping track of Dust.
I am combining Dust and Eve into the same universe since that's what it will be. Eve is definitely a cut-throat, devious game sometime. I expect Dust to be very similar. So I can highly predict that there WILL be team killing and spies in Dust... in the beginning!
Spies and team killers (called awoxers in Eve SOV warfare) is part of daily life. It's expected and looked out for. CCP has pretty much taken a hands off approach and let the players decide how to handle it. For example, our corp does a background check on each applicant, checks out previous corps, requires minimum skill points, requires a FULL API to check out the full account and at the very end, a voice interview, just like a job application. It seems like a bit much, but it's one of the things that makes Eve... well Eve.
I have a feeling that Dust will need to grow in the same manner. Here's the rough part: in the beginning, Everyone will be newbs, have no history, have no skill points. Dust merc corps will probably align themselves with known associates from other games and not accept anyone at the start. It's going to be rough in the beginning. But as mercs grow, you'll be able to weed out the TK'ers for the most part.
Here's the good news. As the merc corp grows and gets older, they will be able to be more circumspect in their recruits. Also Eve corporates will likely need successful merc corps and will be willing to provide ISK/Material to your efforts. (In the same instance, other Eve corps will desperately try to insert their spy's/TK'ers).
Now I don't know what mechanic will be implemented or if there will even be one. But I think it would be prudent to start developing your own ways to deal with the threats /Wall of text
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this is to easy to do currently and does need work but it is apart of the EVE universe |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2558
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:28:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:It is pretty laughable they planted their flag on more places first because the E.U had a head start before N.A so that makes them the biggest land owners. Oh well makes our job that much more enjoyable. Did we? Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing?
Just another example of taking advantage of broken mechanics and bragging about it Yea took lots of skill. |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
148
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:32:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:It is pretty laughable they planted their flag on more places first because the E.U had a head start before N.A so that makes them the biggest land owners. Oh well makes our job that much more enjoyable. Did we? Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing? Just another example of taking advantage of broken mechanics and bragging about it Yea took lots of skill. How do you guys come up to these conclusions for Christ! I just asked you a simple question, dude. Not bragging whatsoever here. Are you gonna give me an answer or not? |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
42
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:56:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:It is pretty laughable they planted their flag on more places first because the E.U had a head start before N.A so that makes them the biggest land owners. Oh well makes our job that much more enjoyable. Did we? Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing? Just another example of taking advantage of broken mechanics and bragging about it Yea took lots of skill. How do you guys come up to these conclusions for Christ! I just asked you a simple question, dude. Not bragging whatsoever here. Are you gonna give me an answer or not?
But members of CRONOS have and do, often. Amusingly enough it's often ones that had the least to do with the modicum of success you have now. Again, your associates reflect poorly on you. |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
148
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:08:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:It is pretty laughable they planted their flag on more places first because the E.U had a head start before N.A so that makes them the biggest land owners. Oh well makes our job that much more enjoyable. Did we? Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing? Just another example of taking advantage of broken mechanics and bragging about it Yea took lots of skill. How do you guys come up to these conclusions for Christ! I just asked you a simple question, dude. Not bragging whatsoever here. Are you gonna give me an answer or not? But members of CRONOS have and do, often. Amusingly enough it's often ones that had the least to do with the modicum of success you have now. Again, your associates reflect poorly on you. I don't give a crap how poorly "my associates reflect on me", I expect people to be able read a sentence like "Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing?", and understand that it has nothing to do with bragging whatsoever! |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
42
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:36:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:I don't give a crap how "poorly my associates reflect on me", I expect people to be able read a sentence like "Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing?", and understand that it has nothing to do with bragging whatsoever!
Yeah but the bragging does matter, while your question is nothing but a waste of time, a pointless game of "what if".
I'll personally answer it, though. If having logged on before everyone else, and having not put any thought into a strategy regarding PC beforehand, saw that I could sit there hitting X over and over to get as many districts as I could for the low low price of 80 million each, I probably would have done so. If I had thought over my strategy before hand, probably not.
But that's not the situation I was in, nor was it the situation you were in, so again that paragraph was a waste of everyone's time. Sorry, everyone! |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink CRONOS.
148
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:45:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:I don't give a crap how "poorly my associates reflect on me", I expect people to be able read a sentence like "Well let me ask you this, if you had the head start would have you done the same thing?", and understand that it has nothing to do with bragging whatsoever! Yeah but the bragging does matter, while your question is nothing but a waste of time, a pointless game of "what if". I'll personally answer it, though. If having logged on before everyone else, and having not put any thought into a strategy regarding PC beforehand while sitting on about 10 billion in cash, saw that I could sit there hitting X over and over to get as many districts as I could for the low low price of 80 million each, I probably would have done so. If I had thought over my strategy before hand, probably not. But that's not the situation I was in, nor was it the situation you were in, so again that paragraph was a waste of everyone's time. Sorry, everyone! Jesus Christ it did have a point! I simply wanted to know if the Imperfect dude is pissed off because they got there late and weren't able to do what we did, or if their whole gameplan was to go for only 2 districts in the beginning. I'm not playing a game of "what if", neither I'm trying to argue with you guys. I'm just trying to have a discussion here, man! |
bT Broadway
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:20:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Severance Pay wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:But CRONOS has made a very bad rep telling ppl to "HTFU" because they are exploiting poorly written game mechanics justifying that its okay to do in eve so its okay here, and the solution is to break apart your corp to not get screwed over. 100% dirty, say its "new eden" but no one likes you guys because of the situation. I like you guys as ppl, sha kharne is a freind of mine and we share laughs but very broken tactics Problem is that people are abusing the word exploiting. CRONOS is just using the tools that are in the game, they're rubbish and I think everyone in the alliance agrees with it that they need to change, until then, well - game on. Oh wait. Where is the AWOX button? I R NUB, soz I dun know wear it iz. Oh right, it IS NOT a game mechanic! clearly someone has never heard of emergent gameplay. Anyway, find the CCP post that explicitly calls it an exploit and ill stop.
Clearly somebody has never heard of exercise or fresh air.
The only reason this alliance has so many districts is because they were able to sign on during their normal day time playing hours and grab districts..the people in the US were unable to do so because it was early in the morning when the majority of society is sleeping. Congrats. SI is not good. When we warred during our normal playing hours..you got wrecked. We can not attack you guys at 10am our time because we have lives. I really dont give a **** about how many districts you have because your bad.
Jenza youre a virgin, def overweight, and a big dork. Get a life and stop letting your dog perform cunnilingus on you because you cant find somebody on jdate.com |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
565
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:26:00 -
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bT Broadway wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Severance Pay wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:But CRONOS has made a very bad rep telling ppl to "HTFU" because they are exploiting poorly written game mechanics justifying that its okay to do in eve so its okay here, and the solution is to break apart your corp to not get screwed over. 100% dirty, say its "new eden" but no one likes you guys because of the situation. I like you guys as ppl, sha kharne is a freind of mine and we share laughs but very broken tactics Problem is that people are abusing the word exploiting. CRONOS is just using the tools that are in the game, they're rubbish and I think everyone in the alliance agrees with it that they need to change, until then, well - game on. Oh wait. Where is the AWOX button? I R NUB, soz I dun know wear it iz. Oh right, it IS NOT a game mechanic! clearly someone has never heard of emergent gameplay. Anyway, find the CCP post that explicitly calls it an exploit and ill stop. Clearly somebody has never heard of exercise or fresh air. The only reason this alliance has so many districts is because they were able to sign on during their normal day time playing hours and grab districts..the people in the US were unable to do so because it was early in the morning when the majority of society is sleeping. Congrats. SI is not good. When we warred during our normal playing hours..you got wrecked. We can not attack you guys at 10am our time because we have lives. I really dont give a **** about how many districts you have because your bad. Jenza youre a virgin, def overweight, and a big dork. Get a life and stop letting your dog perform cunnilingus on you because you cant find somebody on jdate.com
Grow some balls and post on your main |
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