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Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:20:00 -
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Got this gun on my alt to play around to see how it was, and boy can I say just from that it needs some sort of buff to be viable as a useful weapon.
It has great one hit kills if it hit's the guy and doesn't pass through center mass. The projectile is easy to dodge if seen coming any further than 15m away. The reload wouldn't be as much of an issue if it was easier to do damage to opponents
9 times out of 10 if i hit a guy with splash it drains all shield and does some dmg to armor (keep in mind the splash will hit if its directly under or a foot away from your target, splash is abysmal in it's current state)
This gun needs a large buff to it's blast radius with maybe a lesser damage impact. 700 dmg direct with 350 splash in a 4m radius with a diminishing dmg output the further from the center would be much more sufficient. That's still less powerful than a militia grenade besides direct impact. A faster moving projectile would also help it's efficiency.
Pros:
High Direct Damage
Predictable Shooting Arc
Decent Ammo Reserve
Cons:
Reload Speed
Projectile Speed
Splash Radius
Splash Damage
No Optic to Judge Distance
What I would do in short:
Standard Plasma Cannon:
700 Dmg Direct
350 Dmg Splash
4m Splash Radius
+50% Projectile Speed
3 Sec Reload
Tactical Variant with Optic to judge distance, slightly higher direct dmg, slightly less splash dmg
750 Dmg Direct
280 Splash
4m Splash Radius
+50% Proj Spd
3 Sec Reload
Burst Variant with faster reload, lesser direct dmg
650 Dmg Direct
350 Dmg Splash
4m Splash Radius
+50% Proj Spd
2.4 Sec Reload
Thoughts / Changes?? I love this gun and would be ecstatic if it were to be a little more viable in this game.
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DJINN Zact
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
7
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:22:00 -
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Step1-Get a squad of scouts
Step 2- Fit them all with plasma cannons
Step 3- Let the mayhem ensue |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1220
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:26:00 -
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I think the explosion radius needs to be larger, it's the gallente mass driver. One shot massive damage. But the damage should have a falloff so it doesn't one shot everyone it hits only people it hits directly. but it needs the ability to more splash damage with it's slow reload time. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits
Unclaimed.
308
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:27:00 -
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DJINN Zact wrote:Step1-Get a squad of scouts
Step 2- Fit them all with plasma cannons
Step 3- Let the mayhem ensue
You know what would beat them? A squad of scouts with any other weapon! Or a heavy with an HMG  |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4504
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:28:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:DJINN Zact wrote:Step1-Get a squad of scouts
Step 2- Fit them all with plasma cannons
Step 3- Let the mayhem ensue You know what would beat them? A squad of scouts with any other weapon! Or a heavy with an HMG
I would argue but... until you witness it... |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:28:00 -
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Your post was useful, OP. therefore it should be in the Feedback section, not General Trolling section.  |
DJINN Zact
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
7
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:31:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:DJINN Zact wrote:Step1-Get a squad of scouts
Step 2- Fit them all with plasma cannons
Step 3- Let the mayhem ensue You know what would beat them? A squad of scouts with any other weapon! Or a heavy with an HMG
Regardless it's just fun. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
485
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:31:00 -
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DJINN Zact wrote:Step1-Get a squad of scouts
Step 2- Fit them all with plasma cannons
Step 3- Let the mayhem ensue
That strategy works with all weapons. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
2
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:42:00 -
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Thanks, but regardless if it had that extra boost it would be much more useful. I have never gotten killed by one yet. (not like I want to get spammed with it though, just a point) |
VLIGHT5
The Judas Coalition
153
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:55:00 -
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I can sorta make it work. I'm going to spec into them once the respec comes, just because I think it's a really fun playstyle and I feel like it really requires a lot of skill to be effective with. Plus, nothing feels more rewarding than 1-shotting a heavy right before he can fire his forge gun. 
However, I definitely agree that they are in dire need of buffs. |
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Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:09:00 -
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Anyone else experience the plasma shot going through enemy bodies? The hit detection could also be a large problem with the gun, could be whats holding it back. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
48
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:20:00 -
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I tried it too and could only hit 1 of two things, Jack and S*** and Jack left town.
As an anti LAV its not too bad but with the recent HP buff you still end up looking at the LAV from the axles and the sights are horrendous to judge distance on. its kind of an inbetween RPG and Grenade launcher but it should just be Dust's equivalent of an RPG, less arc, bigger splash radius but lower splash damage to kinda flush out campers behind crates and to shoot down corridors bf3 style |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:24:00 -
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Well it isn't an anti LAV weapon here, how CCP made it was for anti-infantry. Too many AV things get redundant, it's basically a 1 shot more powerful MD. It's capable of being used as an AV weapon, but excels at 1 hit kills and what should be splash damage haha. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
10
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:08:00 -
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Could a mod move this post series to feedback/requests? Thanks  |
Selinate deux
DUST University
Ivy League
69
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Posted - 2013.05.22 01:11:00 -
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My best idea still is that it needs to be repurposed as some sort of stationary mortar/artillery weapon. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
11
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:27:00 -
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The mobility is what makes them so interesting to use, plus that would be sniper bait for sure |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
474
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:02:00 -
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question... do we NEED another mass driver? when i look at the plasma cannon i see an AV weapon.
it's not quite there but, follow me here for a moment and i think you'll see it's close.
it's direct damage is a little bit behind current forge guns and swarm launchers, and it fires in an arc making it easily the shortest range AV weapon outside of AV grenades, and likely very difficult to use against dropships.
BUT! it has a very fast charge up per shot. faster than you can charge an assault forge gun or lock up a swarm launcher.
so there's potential there for decent DPS in spite of the poor alpha. but that potential is squandered by the 1 round magazine. when every shot has a reload that is longer than it takes to fire a single swarm or forge anyway, on top of it's own charge, it destroys your DPS.
i would suggest nerfing the splash on the plasma cannon, and giving it a 3 or 4 round magazine. this would essentially leave it as the weakest per SHOT AV weapon, but with a solid effective DPS within it's shorter range. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:34:00 -
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I guess the unique selling point of the plasma cannon is that it can be used as support against both infantry and vehicles. I assume its designed role is to stand back behind the fight and shoot at either infantry or vehicles its operator can spot to support both the assault rifle and the forge gun guys.
It fills that role nicely, as far as I can tell from my own time with it, however I don't think this particular niche exists in the game. AV grenades do better damage against vehicles at pretty much the same range and they allow you to carry an effective main weapon. So I guess it's back to the drawing board CCP Weaponsguy. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
224
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:05:00 -
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I think you should read this.
plasma cannon guide(how to make it work)
I use this everyday, if you want me to demonstrate its proper use I would be happy to squad with you. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
11
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:22:00 -
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The gun is good enough to stay in game. everyone thinks it's AV but in reality its more like the great equalizer against heavy units forge gunners, and splash is good for severely hurting multiple targets clustered together.
If it was updated to something close to what I said in the beginning, it would be fantastic anti-infantry launcher
& above, yes i read that before trying it and it helped quite a bit, good stuff |
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Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:30:00 -
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With the way plasma cannon works I see no reason why it shouldn't do a little more damage.
WIth the way forge guns work, I see no reason why they shouldn't do a little less damage
Plasma takes skill to hit |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge
48
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:44:00 -
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Please do not decrease the direct hit damage or it would become useless against tanks and dropships. For now I can destroy militia tanks and get more advanced tanks to back up with the plasma canon. And also do not decrease the splash damage, instead I would like a small increase in the splash radius.
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Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:29:00 -
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if the blast radius and dmg was a little higher and the projectile speed was faster, then the plasma cannon would be a great weapon to spec into |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
253
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:45:00 -
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To OP:
Dude, what are you talking about? The weapon was designed to be anti vehicle not anti infantry. Your fixes to this weapon make no sence. What it could use is MAYBE an extra round in the clip. Aside from that it is a good AV weapon. I have already killed several tanks with it and that was with the standard version with absolutely no skills into the weapon's skill branch. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2247
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:56:00 -
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I see nothing has changed |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
21
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:04:00 -
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If you would use the PC for a week you will see that it is at a MASSIVE disadvantage in all it's aspects besides attacking infantry in choke points. Sure I've killed several tanks and LAVs, but I've also done that with normal grenades and the SR granted they were low hp. The vast majority of die hard PC users use them against infantry I'm willing to suspect, because its underpowered, even for that role.
Anyone spec all the way through PCs and cal assault? I know the two work together nicely with the added 25% reload speed. |
Xender17
Murderz for hire
105
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:28:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:To OP:
Dude, what are you talking about? The weapon was designed to be anti vehicle not anti infantry. Your fixes to this weapon make no sence. What it could use is MAYBE an extra round in the clip. Aside from that it is a good AV weapon. I have already killed several tanks with it and that was with the standard version with absolutely no skills into the weapon's skill branch.
Its the crapiest AV weapon in the game -_-. the fact it does better against infantry means a lot. |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
Gentlemen's Agreement
228
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Posted - 2013.05.27 10:50:00 -
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i havn't seen anyone use the plasma cannon since it was introduced after a few days after release the plasma cannon users have either dwindled or gone silent and switched to their usual weapons. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
21
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Posted - 2013.05.27 15:19:00 -
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^ My point exactly, I rarely ever see anyone else rocking one with me |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:55:00 -
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I saw the Plasma cannon used once... Never seen someone get a kill with it :/ |
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Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
20
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:05:00 -
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Running proto plasma cannon right now.
All I can say is: YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAW! BOOM sentinel down in one shot. They move so damn slow it is no matter that the projectile has a slow speed. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:19:00 -
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I used to think the state of the Plasma Cannon was okay for what it does, but then I came up on a Madrugar. I put 6 Plasma Cannon shots into it at about 5 meter range and I barely scratched it. That is including the likely fact that a few squad-mates tossed additional AV grenades at it.
Considering that the Plasma Cannon has pretty much no range at all - so a tank could just drive away at a leisurely pace in sight of a squad of Plasma Cannon users - I guess the weapon needs a considerable buff in dps.
[Edit] Yeah, direct hits are fun. Today I came up on a proto caldari logi guy that tried to melee me because he saw that AV-weapon on my shoulder. That was one expensive mistake he made. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
20
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:41:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:I used to think the state of the Plasma Cannon was okay for what it does, but then I came up on a Madrugar. I put 6 Plasma Cannon shots into it at about 5 meter range and I barely scratched it. That is including the likely fact that a few squad-mates tossed additional AV grenades at it.
Considering that the Plasma Cannon has pretty much no range at all - so a tank could just drive away at a leisurely pace in sight of a squad of Plasma Cannon users - I guess the weapon needs a considerable buff in dps.
[Edit] Yeah, direct hits are fun. Today I came up on a proto caldari logi guy that tried to melee me because he saw that AV-weapon on my shoulder. That was one expensive mistake he made.
People seem to think that you are an easy kill when wielding the PLC, 2 second later there is a BBQ merc ready to be served. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
538
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:45:00 -
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Wow, people actually use this weapon.
Can one of you invite me to your squad sometime? I have never seen this weapon in the game. I've never seen someone use it before. That seems telling enough as it is for me, but I am curious. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
20
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:05:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Wow, people actually use this weapon.
Can one of you invite me to your squad sometime? I have never seen this weapon in the game. I've never seen someone use it before. That seems telling enough as it is for me, but I am curious.
Add me ingame, I will probably play some tonight. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
313
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:13:00 -
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The plasma cannon should be an AV weapon.
BUT:
The proto plasma cannon have less damage than the standard swarm launcher.
While requiring more skill to use.
And having to reload after every shot.
It is currently useless
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Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization
18
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:57:00 -
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I'm an amarr logi with 3 complex damage mods, proto pc proto proficiency, I only do 1800 direct hit, 510 splash damage and both get a 10% bonuse to shields, I don't see it as a good av but a good ai weapon. Went 26 and 5 with it that reload don't bother me I have 12/s hp regen and 400 armor. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
24
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:10:00 -
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Whats interesting is this gun has great anti-infantry potential, and you can actually snipe with it. I was on a building and I direct hit a sniper at 376 m. The plasma shot doesn't seem to be effected by range if you use it like a mortar haha. |
Carter Raynor
The Generals
EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:13:00 -
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Just reposted into the feedback section, if you want to see it and some of the updated ideas, check it out.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85776&find=unread |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
527
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:21:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:My best idea still is that it needs to be repurposed as some sort of stationary mortar/artillery weapon.
What, we don't have a preference for stationary enemies or anything, what are you implying?  |
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