First off I play Eve and have been part of it for over a year. I run in low sec and null sec and high.

First of in Eve you have control over your risks. You know what happens in lowsec and null sec. You know if you AFK in a spendy ship in high sec you can get ganked. If you build a ship poorly in high sec with expensive mods you will get ganked. But in general you have alot of control and can lower these risk by playing smart.

Goon one of the biggest alliances in Eve probably has 100s players as spies and and another few hundred with AWOXing plans. Goon has placed probably a good 100s spies across the many alliances in EVE and AWOXers alike. Even with these infiltrations 99.9% of these spies can do nothing to disturb the corp. They can not join the fleets because they are not invited to join them. They can be kicked from the fleet if they are not suppost to be their. If they are in fleet they can not invite anyone to fleet. They have a great control over what is going on and lowering their risk. People actually have to meta game to AWOX in eve. You need to create trust and work your way into positions that allow you to AWOX to the extreme or gain information by spying.

When your in a corp as a new member you do not gain access to the POS locations of GOONs. You do not get to go grab free ships from there pos. You do not get to turn off the guns. These are all rights you earn as you gain trust.


In dust there is no metagaming in the AWOXing system. Whether you want to believe so or not. You join a corp that revolves around having the masses. and bang you can make PC living hell for them. They have no way to control the risks besides limit there corp to a few members. Destroying the sandboxs of differences between corps and corp sizes. You do not have to gain trust in dust to be part of PC. You do not need to work your way in for months to gain these spots. Currently AWOXing is just retardedly easy and there are not tools set in place to lower risk. If this system was put in eve it would destroy the community there and hurt eve over all.

This is a Hugely broken mechanic currently. It is not a welcome to new eden mechanic. Those claiming so are just the people that do not understand new eden. And think they are cool because they are eve pilots.

CCP needs to make it so AWOXing actually takes metagaming in dust. You have to work within the alliance and work with the leaders and gain trust and raise into positions of power. That is new eden. Not the bullshit that Devs put into dust.

The cpm doesn't want a kick function like eve has or every other fps game has and they know best. We should listen to them because they are super awesome fps players... wait a second... CCP only picked eve nerds that are bad at dust.

Actually, I am inclined to agree. A kick function would completely neuter the potential for using this.
However, much, MUCH tighter controls for who gets into PC matches are needed. If someone convinces a director that they should be in a PC match, then they deserve to be able to wreak havoc in that one match. Right now though, it's just stupidly easy.

Actually, I am inclined to agree. A kick function would completely neuter the potential for using this.
However, much, MUCH tighter controls for who gets into PC matches are needed. If someone convinces a director that they should be in a PC match, then they deserve to be able to wreak havoc in that one match. Right now though, it's just stupidly easy.

Actually, I am inclined to agree. A kick function would completely neuter the potential for using this.
However, much, MUCH tighter controls for who gets into PC matches are needed. If someone convinces a director that they should be in a PC match, then they deserve to be able to wreak havoc in that one match. Right now though, it's just stupidly easy.

First off I play Eve and have been part of it for over a year. I run in low sec and null sec and high.

They can not join the fleets because they are not invited to join them. They can be kicked from the fleet if they are not suppost to be their. If they are in fleet they can not invite anyone to fleet. They have a great control over what is going on and lowering their risk. People actually have to meta game to AWOX in eve. You need to create trust and work your way into positions that allow you to AWOX to the extreme or gain information by spying. .

When your in a corp as a new member you do not gain access to the POS locations of GOONs. You do not get to go grab free ships from there pos. You do not get to turn off the guns. These are all rights you earn as you gain trust.

In dust there is no metagaming in the AWOXing system. Whether you want to believe so or not. You join a corp that revolves around having the masses. and bang you can make PC living hell for them. They have no way to control the risks besides limit there corp to a few members. Destroying the sandboxs of differences between corps and corp sizes. You do not have to gain trust in dust to be part of PC. You do not need to work your way in for months to gain these spots. Currently AWOXing is just retardedly easy and there are not tools set in place to lower risk. If this system was put in eve it would destroy the community there and hurt eve over all.

This is a Hugely broken mechanic currently. It is not a welcome to new eden mechanic. Those claiming so are just the people that do not understand new eden. And think they are cool because they are eve pilots.

CCP needs to make it so AWOXing actually takes metagaming in dust. You have to work within the alliance and work with the leaders and gain trust and raise into positions of power. That is new eden. Not the bullshit that Devs put into dust.

First off I play Eve and have been part of it for over a year. I run in low sec and null sec and high.

First of in Eve you have control over your risks. You know what happens in lowsec and null sec. You know if you AFK in a spendy ship in high sec you can get ganked. If you build a ship poorly in high sec with expensive mods you will get ganked. But in general you have alot of control and can lower these risk by playing smart.

Goon one of the biggest alliances in Eve probably has 100s players as spies and and another few hundred with AWOXing plans. Goon has placed probably a good 100s spies across the many alliances in EVE and AWOXers alike. Even with these infiltrations 99.9% of these spies can do nothing to disturb the corp. They can not join the fleets because they are not invited to join them. They can be kicked from the fleet if they are not suppost to be their. If they are in fleet they can not invite anyone to fleet. They have a great control over what is going on and lowering their risk. People actually have to meta game to AWOX in eve. You need to create trust and work your way into positions that allow you to AWOX to the extreme or gain information by spying.

When your in a corp as a new member you do not gain access to the POS locations of GOONs. You do not get to go grab free ships from there pos. You do not get to turn off the guns. These are all rights you earn as you gain trust.

In dust there is no metagaming in the AWOXing system. Whether you want to believe so or not. You join a corp that revolves around having the masses. and bang you can make PC living hell for them. They have no way to control the risks besides limit there corp to a few members. Destroying the sandboxs of differences between corps and corp sizes. You do not have to gain trust in dust to be part of PC. You do not need to work your way in for months to gain these spots. Currently AWOXing is just retardedly easy and there are not tools set in place to lower risk. If this system was put in eve it would destroy the community there and hurt eve over all.

This is a Hugely broken mechanic currently. It is not a welcome to new eden mechanic. Those claiming so are just the people that do not understand new eden. And think they are cool because they are eve pilots.

CCP needs to make it so AWOXing actually takes metagaming in dust. You have to work within the alliance and work with the leaders and gain trust and raise into positions of power. That is new eden. Not the bullshit that Devs put into dust.

As I've posted in other threads, a kick button completely negates any vision that CCP has for in-game griefing/spying/betraying. For example, they have stated their views that in the future, hopefully you can be offered a contract mid-game to turn against your employers. This could be at a key point, e.g. capping a point, or using Skyfire battery.

A kick button completely negates that feature. Why, you ask? Oh so simple. The commander gives an order, that soldier refuses to carry out said order, and is kicked immediately. Another soldier walks over and uses it instead. All that happens is a minor delay in what happens, rather than "oh **** we're screwed because we didn't ensure that our soldiers are loyal enough".

I can agree that the current mechanics are not viable long term, and the best solution would be to grant roles that allow said player into PC. This controls who enters the match, but doesn't impact on the saboteur capabilities of anyone who decides to sabotage the match. This path still needs for the saboteur/spy to gain the confidence of the directors or CEOs, but doesn't need any artificial methods such as creating a holding corp.

A lot of stuff

First off I play Eve and have been part of it for over a year. I run in low sec and null sec and high.

First of in Eve you have control over your risks. You know what happens in lowsec and null sec. You know if you AFK in a spendy ship in high sec you can get ganked. If you build a ship poorly in high sec with expensive mods you will get ganked. But in general you have alot of control and can lower these risk by playing smart.

Goon one of the biggest alliances in Eve probably has 100s players as spies and and another few hundred with AWOXing plans. Goon has placed probably a good 100s spies across the many alliances in EVE and AWOXers alike. Even with these infiltrations 99.9% of these spies can do nothing to disturb the corp. They can not join the fleets because they are not invited to join them. They can be kicked from the fleet if they are not suppost to be their. If they are in fleet they can not invite anyone to fleet. They have a great control over what is going on and lowering their risk. People actually have to meta game to AWOX in eve. You need to create trust and work your way into positions that allow you to AWOX to the extreme or gain information by spying.

When your in a corp as a new member you do not gain access to the POS locations of GOONs. You do not get to go grab free ships from there pos. You do not get to turn off the guns. These are all rights you earn as you gain trust.


In dust there is no metagaming in the AWOXing system. Whether you want to believe so or not. You join a corp that revolves around having the masses. and bang you can make PC living hell for them. They have no way to control the risks besides limit there corp to a few members. Destroying the sandboxs of differences between corps and corp sizes. You do not have to gain trust in dust to be part of PC. You do not need to work your way in for months to gain these spots. Currently AWOXing is just retardedly easy and there are not tools set in place to lower risk. If this system was put in eve it would destroy the community there and hurt eve over all.

This is a Hugely broken mechanic currently. It is not a welcome to new eden mechanic. Those claiming so are just the people that do not understand new eden. And think they are cool because they are eve pilots.

CCP needs to make it so AWOXing actually takes metagaming in dust. You have to work within the alliance and work with the leaders and gain trust and raise into positions of power. That is new eden. Not the bullshit that Devs put into dust.

Hey, dude, are you the dude who says everything two or three times dude?

Dust is a kindergarten compared to

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You probably haven't noticed that DUST just came out of beta and that EVE had 10 years to develop itself as a game and as a community.

You also probably haven't noticed that in DUST you have less options to investigate on individual characters, not to speak of API keys of multiple chars per PSN account. Hell, is there even any career history in-game!?

You also probably haven't noticed that in EVE Online you have plenty of access control, whether you assign roles, many different kinds of access controls even for individual assets or you also can restrict who gets into an op. In DUST all members can do almost everything, including entering any PCQ battle they want, whether with bad intentions or just accidentally.

You also probably haven't noticed that DUST is an FPS game which also attracts a breed of players rather different from EVE Online. DUST already is a game with a steep learning curve and it is crucial for the long term success of the game, that new players are not scared away right on day one.

Corps help with that learning curve.

Doing x hours interviews or bureaucratically moving players between non-PCQ corps and noob corps and real corps just for the fun of paperwork will not help gaining the community size DUST will need to sustain.

Basically, the only reason we haven't seen more AWOX'ing if it wouldn't be considered by most corps as being a cheap cheat caused by a flaw in the game.

This is all correct, People complaining that EVE players have more control over Jenzaers are mistaken. And spies are actually useful in EVE and not useful at all in Dust.

We need more features to improve the abilities of spies and Awoxers/Jenzaers rather then limiting them.

Yea boo hoo, you can screw up one match and cost a corp like 100M. So what.

This word only refers to failures. The issue at hand is AWOXing.

As I've posted in other threads, a kick button completely negates any vision that CCP has for in-game griefing/spying/betraying. For example, they have stated their views that in the future, hopefully you can be offered a contract mid-game to turn against your employers. This could be at a key point, e.g. capping a point, or using Skyfire battery.

A kick button completely negates that feature. Why, you ask? Oh so simple. The commander gives an order, that soldier refuses to carry out said order, and is kicked immediately. Another soldier walks over and uses it instead. All that happens is a minor delay in what happens, rather than "oh **** we're screwed because we didn't ensure that our soldiers are loyal enough".

I can agree that the current mechanics are not viable long term, and the best solution would be to grant roles that allow said player into PC. This controls who enters the match, but doesn't impact on the saboteur capabilities of anyone who decides to sabotage the match. This path still needs for the saboteur/spy to gain the confidence of the directors or CEOs, but doesn't need any artificial methods such as creating a holding corp.

A kick function doesn't actually eliminate the meta game. It encourages it.

The spy would have to play their role very well, to sabotage a match with subterfuge.
Screw up, and the DIC picks up on you and your kicked.
Do it well enough, and you can cost them a match with them barely knowing. Be good enough of a dirty liar, and the spy could become the DIC.

For a corp to have it's PC match totally wrecked just because they have a random member, is too easy. We're talking 100s of players in bigger corps.
There's no such thing as zero roster control.
It would seem silly to walk around peacefully with people in a warbarge, that are about to wreck your PC match. In reality, a shoot out would begin right there on the warbarge if there were intruders! So as it currently works, it''s also unrealistic and ridiculous.

A roster control mechanic should be implemented.