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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:59:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:First off I play Eve and have been part of it for over a year. I run in low sec and null sec and high.
First of in Eve you have control over your risks. You know what happens in lowsec and null sec. You know if you AFK in a spendy ship in high sec you can get ganked. If you build a ship poorly in high sec with expensive mods you will get ganked. But in general you have alot of control and can lower these risk by playing smart.
Goon one of the biggest alliances in Eve probably has 100s players as spies and and another few hundred with AWOXing plans. Goon has placed probably a good 100s spies across the many alliances in EVE and AWOXers alike. Even with these infiltrations 99.9% of these spies can do nothing to disturb the corp. They can not join the fleets because they are not invited to join them. They can be kicked from the fleet if they are not suppost to be their. If they are in fleet they can not invite anyone to fleet. They have a great control over what is going on and lowering their risk. People actually have to meta game to AWOX in eve. You need to create trust and work your way into positions that allow you to AWOX to the extreme or gain information by spying.
When your in a corp as a new member you do not gain access to the POS locations of GOONs. You do not get to go grab free ships from there pos. You do not get to turn off the guns. These are all rights you earn as you gain trust.
What you can-¦t do in Dust that you can in EVE.
1 - Knowing troop location is relevant, informing fleet composition matter and you can send reinforcements to a battle, because they-¦re not limited to a max number, making 300 x 30 possible.
2 - Fleets are usually not only open to alliance, but also to blues. You don-¦t need permision from anyone to join, you simply click, and there you go, you-¦re part of the team. If free-move is on, you can make yourself squad leader and invite whoever the hell you want, including enemies that will show as purple (fleet member) if you don-¦t have your overview properly set. Now, all you need to do is open a buble, open a cyno, and get the other guys from the squad you formed up to kill everyone while reinforcements arrive.
So no, you actually have LESS control in EVE than you have in Dust, where one person is responsible for forming up a squad, and you get a lobby showing all of the members affiliations right at your face before a battle.
Caeli SineDeo wrote:In dust there is no metagaming in the AWOXing system. Whether you want to believe so or not. You join a corp that revolves around having the masses. and bang you can make PC living hell for them. They have no way to control the risks besides limit there corp to a few members. Destroying the sandboxs of differences between corps and corp sizes. You do not have to gain trust in dust to be part of PC. You do not need to work your way in for months to gain these spots. Currently AWOXing is just retardedly easy and there are not tools set in place to lower risk. If this system was put in eve it would destroy the community there and hurt eve over all.
So you-¦re saying that taking advantage of a poor HR departament is not metagaming? You-¦re saying that stupidity and completely lack of influx control are bad mechanics from the game, and not bad behaviour from the players? There are tools to reduce the risk, INTERVIEW people, play battles with them, or simply stop inviting everyone that asks to join! This way they won-¦t get near the invite button to undesired people.
Caeli SineDeo wrote:This is a Hugely broken mechanic currently. It is not a welcome to new eden mechanic. Those claiming so are just the people that do not understand new eden. And think they are cool because they are eve pilots.
CCP needs to make it so AWOXing actually takes metagaming in dust. You have to work within the alliance and work with the leaders and gain trust and raise into positions of power. That is new eden. Not the bullshit that Devs put into dust.
It-¦s bad player behaviour, it-¦s bad security check, it-¦s lack of proper screening. If corporations go for the numbers instead of quality, then this kind of thing will happen frequently. The mechanics in place are the ones we know, they can and will be improved, but for now, dance with the music, and stop making comparisons that are not valid.
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