DUST Search - What is the purpose of the CPM?

Nova Knife wrote:

Ironwolf is generally bad at PR and should probably stop trying Blink

Basically...

The original purpose (As explained to us, and you : Here

Nova makes nice quotes because people are lazy and don't read, but really he's quoting CCP Dolan wrote:

"Earlier this month the developers for DUST 514 and I sat down with the goal of creating a player advocacy group like the CSM in DUST 514. We came to the conclusion that the best group of people to help design the future of this player run organization was the players themselves."

(Snip)

"With this early CSM in mind, I put out the call to some of the most respected members of the DUST 514 community to interview with me so that I could pick 5 of the best representatives to form what we, at that time, called the GÇ£War CouncilGÇ¥, the partner body to the Council of Stellar Management"

This was fairly self explanatory to us, and we went to fanfest reasonably confident and ready to talk about that stuff. At fanfest, CCP let us playtest Uprising for a bit... And our initial reaction was "Man, people are going to love this, there's very little to nitpick about except for the usual balance issues" And then Uprising launched, and it launched burning with issues and bugs that did not exist at fanfest.

The need for clear action essentially meant our original mandate took a back seat. CCP needed to do damage control, and they needed to know where to do it. Meetings were had, documents and lists were formed, and CCP made a plan for staged hotfixes, presented it to the CPM, and we were mostly satisfied with how CCP was going to turn Uprising around.

If you want to know what the CPM is doing now, this is the best summary:

While format and the formation of a new council temporarily took a back seat because of the emergencies surrounding Uprising, We've been planning to spend time on that very issue very soon. The general mandate of the CPM was never that cut and dry ; CPM1 and beyond is not the only reason we are here. Simply 'giving feedback' is not our job. Passing along the suggestions with the most +1's is not what we do. That is what the forums are for, and the CCP Community team watches those for a reason.

When serious issues arise, it does fall on us to make sure CCP is not only aware of those issues, but have all possible context (And then direct them to appropriate threads if they have not seen them already) In cases like that, we consolidate feedback into documents to bring to meetings.

CCP may occasionally share with us future plans (We're pushing to get them to bring them to the entire playerbase, this 'hush hush' secret crap is doing more harm than good) and this gives us the opportunity to stop them from making huge mistakes before huge rage threadnaughts happen.. This is again, not our primary purpose.

TL:DR

We are here to decide how CPM1 and beyond will be selected and how their communication methods with CCP will proceed. We are also here to make sure CCP knows what they need to in times of dire need. Lastly, we are here to call CCP on their ****.

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Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 287	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:56:00 - [1] - Quote There is alot of scrub talk about the CPMs and comming from the CPMs alike. Can we get a dev or CPM themselfs to get us a clear answer? They are representing us and some of us need a definition to go on. This can also be linked in the future
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1765	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:58:00 - [2] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: There is alot of scrub talk about the CPMs and comming from the CPMs alike. Can we get a dev or CPM themselfs to get us a clear answer? They are representing us and some of us need a definition to go on. This can also be linked in the future Hm
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 66	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:03:00 - [3] - Quote They help gather community feedback, and present it to the devs/ccp in organised way, rather than the forum style cluster **** form.
VEXation Gunn IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:10:00 - [4] - Quote Some of them do their job and get feedback from the community while others use it to push their own agenda and playstyle.
David Spd Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:12:00 - [5] - Quote Hehe.. hospital interns talking about the CPM. Word travels fast....
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3930	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:13:00 - [6] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Some of them do their job and get feedback from the community while others use it to push their own agenda and playstyle. Can you give an example of how the CPM position has allowed them to further their own agenda in the game? What are they doing in the game that they couldn't have without the CPM title?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4484	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:13:00 - [7] - Quote We're essentially you guys just, CCP picks on us first about feedback so it has to be our job that our feedback is best resonating with most of you guys overall not just AR players or Awoxers or Tank players or pubstompers but all of Dust 514. Not an easy job at times... Some of us had lost just about every minute of game time they normally had throughout the week performing CPM functions.
David Spd Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:17:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We're essentially you guys just CCP picks on us first about feedback so it has to be our job that our feedback is best resonating with most of you guys overall not just AR players or Awoxers or Tank players or pubstompers but all of Dust 514. Not an easy job at times... Some of us had lost just about every minute of game time they normally had throughout the week performing CPM functions. CCP should pay you if they don't all ready. Then again that might cause a bit of cognitive dissonance. Think that's what it's called.... Anybody that knows what I'm trying to say feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 563	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:24:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We're essentially you guys just, CCP picks on us first about feedback so it has to be our job that our feedback is best resonating with most of you guys overall not just AR players or Awoxers or Tank players or pubstompers but all of Dust 514. Not an easy job at times... Some of us had lost just about every minute of game time they normally had throughout the week performing CPM functions. Helps if you have actual understanding of the game itself before you offer feedback. How many FW contracts have you played in prior to Uprising. How many PC matches? Where do you get feedback from? How are you able to troubleshoot and offer up opinions if you don't play the game itself? See problem isn't the CPM its how the CPM goes about getting their feedback and how many just isolate themselves in an echochamber. Cant help improve the game if you don't understand the fundamentals of the game and how all the pieces should interconnect.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1773	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:33:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Some of them do their job and get feedback from the community while others use it to push their own agenda and playstyle. Can you give an example of how the CPM position has allowed them to further their own agenda in the game? What are they doing in the game that they couldn't have without the CPM title? Caz, Hanz, Jenza = Cronos / Orion I think people can come to their own conclusions about that. Donut in the game, donut in the CPM

Toyboi BetaMax. CRONOS. 60	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:33:00 - [11] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We're essentially you guys just, CCP picks on us first about feedback so it has to be our job that our feedback is best resonating with most of you guys overall not just AR players or Awoxers or Tank players or pubstompers but all of Dust 514. Not an easy job at times... Some of us had lost just about every minute of game time they normally had throughout the week performing CPM functions. Helps if you have actual understanding of the game itself before you offer feedback. How many FW contracts have you played in prior to Uprising. How many PC matches? Where do you get feedback from? How are you able to troubleshoot and offer up opinions if you don't play the game itself? See problem isn't the CPM its how the CPM goes about getting their feedback and how many just isolate themselves in an echochamber. Cant help improve the game if you don't understand the fundamentals of the game and how all the pieces should interconnect. So funny when the imps bark.. sound like a dog but its really a troll
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 79	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:39:00 - [12] - Quote On the space ship side the CSM is supposed to help CCP with accountability. After that whole t20 incident. The inaugural CPM here mostly get to take allot of heat. I'd suggest asking the exact same question about two months after the next game build. So maybe January or February of 2014. We'll all have a better idea by then.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4485	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:41:00 - [13] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Helps if you have actual understanding of the game itself before you offer feedback. How many FW contracts have you played in prior to Uprising. How many PC matches? Where do you get feedback from? How are you able to troubleshoot and offer up opinions if you don't play the game itself? See problem isn't the CPM its how the CPM goes about getting their feedback and how many just isolate themselves in an echochamber. Cant help improve the game if you don't understand the fundamentals of the game and how all the pieces should interconnect. That is the beauty of having multiple members! I can ask Jenza and Kain about those.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3930	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:44:00 - [14] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Some of them do their job and get feedback from the community while others use it to push their own agenda and playstyle. Can you give an example of how the CPM position has allowed them to further their own agenda in the game? What are they doing in the game that they couldn't have without the CPM title? Caz, Hanz, Jenza = Cronos / Orion I think people can come to their own conclusions about that. Donut in the game, donut in the CPM So you haven't actually pointed out anything that they're doing or trying to do that they need CPM power to do. Being a member of some alliances while being in CPM is not itself an abuse.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1774	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:52:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So you haven't actually pointed out anything that they're doing or trying to do that they need CPM power to do. Being a member of some alliances while being in CPM is not itself an abuse. What are you talkin bout? lol My post post has nothing to do with what you're talking about. I merely pointed out the donut in game, and on the CPM
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3930	Posted - 2013.05.21 06:58:00 - [16] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So you haven't actually pointed out anything that they're doing or trying to do that they need CPM power to do. Being a member of some alliances while being in CPM is not itself an abuse. What are you talkin bout? lol My post post has nothing to do with what you're talking about. I merely pointed out the donut in game, and on the CPM Then you haven't really answered my question.
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 352	Posted - 2013.05.21 07:47:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So you haven't actually pointed out anything that they're doing or trying to do that they need CPM power to do. Being a member of some alliances while being in CPM is not itself an abuse. What are you talkin bout? lol My post post has nothing to do with what you're talking about. I merely pointed out the donut in game, and on the CPM Then you haven't really answered my question. Maybe because... KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Some of them do their job and get feedback from the community while others use it to push their own agenda and playstyle. Can you give an example of how the CPM position has allowed them to further their own agenda in the game? What are they doing in the game that they couldn't have without the CPM title? You're asking the wrong person?
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 978	Posted - 2013.05.21 08:26:00 - [18] - Quote Ironwolf is generally bad at PR and should probably stop trying Basically... The original purpose (As explained to us, and you : Here Nova makes nice quotes because people are lazy and don't read, but really he's quoting CCP Dolan wrote: "Earlier this month the developers for DUST 514 and I sat down with the goal of creating a player advocacy group like the CSM in DUST 514. We came to the conclusion that the best group of people to help design the future of this player run organization was the players themselves." (Snip) "With this early CSM in mind, I put out the call to some of the most respected members of the DUST 514 community to interview with me so that I could pick 5 of the best representatives to form what we, at that time, called the GÇ£War CouncilGÇ¥, the partner body to the Council of Stellar Management" This was fairly self explanatory to us, and we went to fanfest reasonably confident and ready to talk about that stuff. At fanfest, CCP let us playtest Uprising for a bit... And our initial reaction was "Man, people are going to love this, there's very little to nitpick about except for the usual balance issues" And then Uprising launched, and it launched burning with issues and bugs that did not exist at fanfest. The need for clear action essentially meant our original mandate took a back seat. CCP needed to do damage control, and they needed to know where to do it. Meetings were had, documents and lists were formed, and CCP made a plan for staged hotfixes, presented it to the CPM, and we were mostly satisfied with how CCP was going to turn Uprising around. If you want to know what the CPM is doing now, this is the best summary: While format and the formation of a new council temporarily took a back seat because of the emergencies surrounding Uprising, We've been planning to spend time on that very issue very soon. The general mandate of the CPM was never that cut and dry ; CPM1 and beyond is not the only reason we are here. Simply 'giving feedback' is not our job. Passing along the suggestions with the most +1's is not what we do. That is what the forums are for, and the CCP Community team watches those for a reason. When serious issues arise, it does fall on us to make sure CCP is not only aware of those issues, but have all possible context (And then direct them to appropriate threads if they have not seen them already) In cases like that, we consolidate feedback into documents to bring to meetings. CCP may occasionally share with us future plans (We're pushing to get them to bring them to the entire playerbase, this 'hush hush secret crap is doing more harm than good) and this gives us the opportunity to stop them from making huge mistakes before huge rage threadnaughts happen.. This is again, not our primary purpose. TL:DR We are here to decide how CPM1 and beyond will be selected and how their communication methods with CCP will proceed. We are also here to make sure CCP knows what they need to in times of dire need. Lastly, we are here to call CCP on their ****.
David Spd Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.05.21 09:22:00 - [19] - Quote Thanks for straight up answering the ****ing question Nova Knife. Have a +1 and some respect from me.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 297	Posted - 2013.05.21 09:23:00 - [20] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Ironwolf is generally bad at PR and should probably stop trying Basically... The original purpose (As explained to us, and you : Here Nova makes nice quotes because people are lazy and don't read, but really he's quoting CCP Dolan wrote: "Earlier this month the developers for DUST 514 and I sat down with the goal of creating a player advocacy group like the CSM in DUST 514. We came to the conclusion that the best group of people to help design the future of this player run organization was the players themselves." (Snip) "With this early CSM in mind, I put out the call to some of the most respected members of the DUST 514 community to interview with me so that I could pick 5 of the best representatives to form what we, at that time, called the GÇ£War CouncilGÇ¥, the partner body to the Council of Stellar Management" This was fairly self explanatory to us, and we went to fanfest reasonably confident and ready to talk about that stuff. At fanfest, CCP let us playtest Uprising for a bit... And our initial reaction was "Man, people are going to love this, there's very little to nitpick about except for the usual balance issues" And then Uprising launched, and it launched burning with issues and bugs that did not exist at fanfest. The need for clear action essentially meant our original mandate took a back seat. CCP needed to do damage control, and they needed to know where to do it. Meetings were had, documents and lists were formed, and CCP made a plan for staged hotfixes, presented it to the CPM, and we were mostly satisfied with how CCP was going to turn Uprising around. If you want to know what the CPM is doing now, this is the best summary: While format and the formation of a new council temporarily took a back seat because of the emergencies surrounding Uprising, We've been planning to spend time on that very issue very soon. The general mandate of the CPM was never that cut and dry ; CPM1 and beyond is not the only reason we are here. Simply 'giving feedback' is not our job. Passing along the suggestions with the most +1's is not what we do. That is what the forums are for, and the CCP Community team watches those for a reason. When serious issues arise, it does fall on us to make sure CCP is not only aware of those issues, but have all possible context (And then direct them to appropriate threads if they have not seen them already) In cases like that, we consolidate feedback into documents to bring to meetings. CCP may occasionally share with us future plans (We're pushing to get them to bring them to the entire playerbase, this 'hush hush' secret crap is doing more harm than good) and this gives us the opportunity to stop them from making huge mistakes before huge rage threadnaughts happen.. This is again, not our primary purpose. TL:DR We are here to decide how CPM1 and beyond will be selected and how their communication methods with CCP will proceed. We are also here to make sure CCP knows what they need to in times of dire need. Lastly, we are here to call CCP on their ****. A very defined and great answer. Thank you CPM's we all appritiate the feedback, odd that the other CPMs have not answered. Sence you are all answering and the deffenetion of a CPM is clearly defined, i have another question. How do you guys feel you all are doing as our CPMs? Never mind what we think, we wanna know how you guys evaluate yourselfs

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 70	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:04:00 - [21] - Quote Apparently you seem to think their purpose is to play forum ping-pong/foreplay with you?
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 300	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:20:00 - [22] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Apparently you seem to think their purpose is to play forum ping-pong/foreplay with you? On the side yah. After all, they do represent me and my foreplay ;)
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 980	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:28:00 - [23] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Apparently you seem to think their purpose is to play forum ping-pong/foreplay with you? Hey, I'm more than happy to chat idly when I'm available :) As far as your second query, Exmaple : I think everyone likes to think they're doing a good job no matter what they do. That being said... CCP has been a lot more receptive than I gave them credit for, to be completely honest. They are taking the issues with the game seriously, and the CPM are all active and contributing to pretty much everything we're working on. The whole thing is progressing much better and smoother than I would've thought. Most of the credit there goes to Heinrich Jagerblitzen, TBH. His experience in the format of this stuff let us easily learn the DO's and DON'TS of 'Council organization', letting us thrive where the eve CSM has struggled. We hit the ground running with uprising, and I've got nothing but good things to say about the immediate future, both for Dust and the CPM. (And the community as a whole! For the most part, the forums have begun to fill with goodposts in response to more and more CCP Devposts lately!)
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 294	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:40:00 - [24] - Quote Heres my problem The CPM0 was designed mainly to help pave the way to CPM1. However, I have yet to see one article or even the personal thoughts of any CPM members on the subject. When I asked FF, I was basically answered with "ahhh... we don't have a answer for you" Any CPM care share there thoughts.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 983	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:42:00 - [25] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Heres my problem The CPM0 was designed mainly to help pave the way to CPM1. However, I have yet to see one article or even the personal thoughts of any CPM members on the subject. When I asked FF, I was basically answered with "ahhh... we don't have a answer for you" Any CPM care share there thoughts. It's hard to find a good way to present "We think regnum should just solo it and be the "Dictator of planetary management" Seriously. PR is hard :( Edit: In seriousness, a document on this is being drafted so everyone can easily see where we stand on stuff like this. We ask for your patience, and promise not to SOONTM you.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 581	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:47:00 - [26] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: "We think regnum should just solo it and be the "Dictator of planetary management" Which one? I mean, if there's a choice, surely a community vote would need to be had? I myself prefer mindreader..
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 301	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:48:00 - [27] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Heres my problem The CPM0 was designed mainly to help pave the way to CPM1. However, I have yet to see one article or even the personal thoughts of any CPM members on the subject. When I asked FF, I was basically answered with "ahhh... we don't have a answer for you" Any CPM care share there thoughts. It's hard to find a good way to present "We think regnum should just solo it and be the "Dictator of planetary management" Seriously. PR is hard :( Edit: In seriousness, a document on this is being drafted so everyone can easily see where we stand on stuff like this. We ask for your patience, and promise not to SOONTM you. Im glad things are playing out nicely and progress is being made. its good that you guys are doing work and contributing, i hope it works out as optimistically as intended. With what regnuym jus said about presenting to us, he has a great point. The forums would be a much happier and pleasent place if we could get your guys opinions and overall directly work with you guys. There is alot of silly adjustments made sence uprising that hurt gameplay. Would you agree?


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