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CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:18:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:The only tanks i see lately are those that
A) I get to Solo and send me Fanmail B) Are at the other side of the map, too afraid to head into the fray unless theres at least 3 of them
By being supported they think, its Extra stacks of tanks instead of support infantry.
Or most of them either ran out of ISK or couldnt take getting killed, it ruins there 20+ KDR you know!
Let me put this another way, say you're a sniper, and you are only spawned on 100x100m maps...well, every 20 matches u might get lucky and get a good sized one, but most of the time, you are stuck in CQB and can't change your fitting. Also take into account that your fitting costs 1.6 mil. Does it make sense yet? You don't see good tanks anymore bc theyre too expensive to use now. If they stay the way they are, they need a huge cost reduction OR they can be buffed so that it's actually possible to survive a whole battle against good AV without red-line sniping.
If you think you're hard for killing tanks in Uprising, think again. It wasn't particularly hard in Chromosome if you had good tactics, and even then there were only a select 25 tankers who would be hard to kill. Now, killing a tank is about the same as killing a heavy. Don't say "tanks have thousands of HP", because EVERYBODY has adv av grenades and they do THOUSANDS of damage. A squad of six with them equipped is capeable of doing 27,000 dmg in 3 seconds to a tank. That is impossible to defend against, without not getting up close in the first place- hence the rail snipers.
Oh, and the highest KDRs belong to assault players, NOT tankers. Do your homework. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
272
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:40:00 -
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I always think its funny when Tankers pull the (Hard)core card out...
Quote:Let me put this another way, say you're a sniper, and you are only spawned on 100x100m maps...well, every 20 matches u might get lucky and get a good sized one, but most of the time, you are stuck in CQB and can't change your fitting. Also take into account that your fitting costs 1.6 mil. Does it make sense yet? You don't see good tanks anymore bc theyre too expensive to use now. If they stay the way they are, they need a huge cost reduction OR they can be buffed so that it's actually possible to survive a whole battle against good AV without red-line sniping.
Oh ive actually played cqc sniper in APB-R for most part of my time there (2 years+-), its like playing with a shotgun, except you can't miss a single time because of the 1.5 second bolt action time between shots, witch i don't.
But to get back to your Tank fit, its not because it costs allot of money that it needs to be powerfull & easely replaced, its your choice to get into that tank, you know what it can and cannot do. Some people fly 16 Billion ISK Navy Fitted battleships into high sec, some random guy with a 83m ISK gank fit blows them up for TEARS. They could have flown a 200m isk ****-fit and do the same as the 16 Billion fit and the Tear-man would not have struck them.
Quote:If you think you're hard for killing tanks in Uprising, think again. It wasn't particularly hard in Chromosome if you had good tactics, and even then there were only a select 25 tankers who would be hard to kill. Now, killing a tank is about the same as killing a heavy. Don't say "tanks have thousands of HP", because EVERYBODY has adv av grenades and they do THOUSANDS of damage. A squad of six with them equipped is capeable of doing 27,000 dmg in 3 seconds to a tank. That is impossible to defend against, without not getting up close in the first place- hence the rail snipers.
If all 6 guys get passed your squad and your tank with 3 people inside without anyone noticing....well what can i say...
I really never understood the Tank mentality in Dust where you guys seem to want to one shot everything in sight, even across the map, and this all is balanced to ISK & SP spend by the fact 6 guys with AV nades can do 27.000 theoretic damage if they lob 3 grenades each after they reach your tank?
Quote:Oh, and the highest KDRs belong to assault players, NOT tankers. Do your homework
Please name a single guy that has never used a vehicle while playing solo as an Assault Player. Ill even allow you to name one that quits matches if its not stacked into his favor.
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Ninjanomyx
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
68
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:35:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:I always think its funny when Tankers pull the (Hard)core card out... Quote:Let me put this another way, say you're a sniper, and you are only spawned on 100x100m maps...well, every 20 matches u might get lucky and get a good sized one, but most of the time, you are stuck in CQB and can't change your fitting. Also take into account that your fitting costs 1.6 mil. Does it make sense yet? You don't see good tanks anymore bc theyre too expensive to use now. If they stay the way they are, they need a huge cost reduction OR they can be buffed so that it's actually possible to survive a whole battle against good AV without red-line sniping. Oh ive actually played cqc sniper in APB-R for most part of my time there (2 years+-), its like playing with a shotgun, except you can't miss a single time because of the 1.5 second bolt action time between shots, witch i don't. But to get back to your Tank fit, its not because it costs allot of money that it needs to be powerfull & easely replaced, its your choice to get into that tank, you know what it can and cannot do. Some people fly 16 Billion ISK Navy Fitted battleships into high sec, some random guy with a 83m ISK gank fit blows them up for TEARS. They could have flown a 200m isk ****-fit and do the same as the 16 Billion fit and the Tear-man would not have struck them. Quote:If you think you're hard for killing tanks in Uprising, think again. It wasn't particularly hard in Chromosome if you had good tactics, and even then there were only a select 25 tankers who would be hard to kill. Now, killing a tank is about the same as killing a heavy. Don't say "tanks have thousands of HP", because EVERYBODY has adv av grenades and they do THOUSANDS of damage. A squad of six with them equipped is capeable of doing 27,000 dmg in 3 seconds to a tank. That is impossible to defend against, without not getting up close in the first place- hence the rail snipers. If all 6 guys get passed your squad and your tank with 3 people inside without anyone noticing....well what can i say... Either you guys got rolled hard and you diserve to die or you were all blind as bats and diserve to die? I really never understood the Tank mentality in Dust where you guys seem to want to one shot everything in sight, even across the map, and this all is balanced to ISK & SP spend by the fact 6 guys with AV nades can do 27.000 theoretic damage if they lob 3 grenades each after they reach your tank? Quote:Oh, and the highest KDRs belong to assault players, NOT tankers. Do your homework Please name a single guy that has never used a vehicle while playing solo as an Assault Player. Ill even allow you to name one that quits matches if its not stacked into his favor.
I've had a far less expensive time preserving KDR-ISK Efficiency in my Wasp Suit (Formerly Bumblebee) than I would have in a Tank. Only reason I'm going back to Tank is b/c nobody else will bother skilling into any Vehicle past lolLAVs or just Modules (BPO Saga FTW.....), & PC is here, so ya..... I should not be limited to a single Game-Type just b/c I decided to Spec out of AR 514. And even there the ISK Efficiency is just about lost the moment you get popped.
How about Dropsuits are not allowed in FW or PC, no BPO anything, & you Spawn-In as your chosen Vehicle? Your "Logic" is flawed & you have no place in telling someone their Investments can go suck a d**k. It's the "Brilliant" minds of unprepared Scrublets who advocate CoD 514 that will force CCP to simply Delete the Vehicle Trees & Heavy/Scout can go. All assets turn to DUST & are reborn as some form of Rifle alongside some form of Grenade. Medium or Bust 4 DUST.
Everything except Vehicles took a Price Drop & the FREE Hacked Exo AV was a "slap in the face" telltale sign of things to come should CCP maintain the CoDboi Phallis in their Oral Cavity and/or Kinostetic Crevasses....... Dropsuits get to SKIP SP investments soon while HAV still needs LAV, & Enforcer still needs both LAV & HAV simply to field a Naked Shell..... Nonetheless I will ride my Viva Pi+¦atamobile 'till the wheels fall off, but 1st.....I must shed this CoDboi Disguise & take a shower before my Tiger Special allows me back in the sack :P |
LeCuch
Red Star. EoN.
138
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:36:00 -
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Ninjanomyx wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:I always think its funny when Tankers pull the (Hard)core card out... Quote:Let me put this another way, say you're a sniper, and you are only spawned on 100x100m maps...well, every 20 matches u might get lucky and get a good sized one, but most of the time, you are stuck in CQB and can't change your fitting. Also take into account that your fitting costs 1.6 mil. Does it make sense yet? You don't see good tanks anymore bc theyre too expensive to use now. If they stay the way they are, they need a huge cost reduction OR they can be buffed so that it's actually possible to survive a whole battle against good AV without red-line sniping. Oh ive actually played cqc sniper in APB-R for most part of my time there (2 years+-), its like playing with a shotgun, except you can't miss a single time because of the 1.5 second bolt action time between shots, witch i don't. But to get back to your Tank fit, its not because it costs allot of money that it needs to be powerfull & easely replaced, its your choice to get into that tank, you know what it can and cannot do. Some people fly 16 Billion ISK Navy Fitted battleships into high sec, some random guy with a 83m ISK gank fit blows them up for TEARS. They could have flown a 200m isk ****-fit and do the same as the 16 Billion fit and the Tear-man would not have struck them. Quote:If you think you're hard for killing tanks in Uprising, think again. It wasn't particularly hard in Chromosome if you had good tactics, and even then there were only a select 25 tankers who would be hard to kill. Now, killing a tank is about the same as killing a heavy. Don't say "tanks have thousands of HP", because EVERYBODY has adv av grenades and they do THOUSANDS of damage. A squad of six with them equipped is capeable of doing 27,000 dmg in 3 seconds to a tank. That is impossible to defend against, without not getting up close in the first place- hence the rail snipers. If all 6 guys get passed your squad and your tank with 3 people inside without anyone noticing....well what can i say... Either you guys got rolled hard and you diserve to die or you were all blind as bats and diserve to die? I really never understood the Tank mentality in Dust where you guys seem to want to one shot everything in sight, even across the map, and this all is balanced to ISK & SP spend by the fact 6 guys with AV nades can do 27.000 theoretic damage if they lob 3 grenades each after they reach your tank? Quote:Oh, and the highest KDRs belong to assault players, NOT tankers. Do your homework Please name a single guy that has never used a vehicle while playing solo as an Assault Player. Ill even allow you to name one that quits matches if its not stacked into his favor. I've had a far less expensive time preserving KDR-ISK Efficiency in my Wasp Suit (Formerly Bumblebee) than I would have in a Tank. Only reason I'm going back to Tank is b/c nobody else will bother skilling into any Vehicle past lolLAVs or just Modules (BPO Saga FTW.....), & PC is here, so ya..... I should not be limited to a single Game-Type just b/c I decided to Spec out of AR 514. And even there the ISK Efficiency is just about lost the moment you get popped. How about Dropsuits are not allowed in FW or PC, no BPO anything, & you Spawn-In as your chosen Vehicle? Your "Logic" is flawed & you have no place in telling someone their Investments can go suck a d**k. It's the "Brilliant" minds of unprepared Scrublets who advocate CoD 514 that will force CCP to simply Delete the Vehicle Trees & Heavy/Scout can go. All assets turn to DUST & are reborn as some form of Rifle alongside some form of Grenade. Medium or Bust 4 DUST. Everything except Vehicles took a Price Drop & the FREE Hacked Exo AV was a "slap in the face" telltale sign of things to come should CCP maintain the CoDboi Phallis in their Oral Cavity and/or Kinostetic Crevasses....... Dropsuits get to SKIP SP investments soon while HAV still needs LAV, & Enforcer still needs both LAV & HAV simply to field a Naked Shell..... Nonetheless I will ride my Viva Pi+¦atamobile 'till the wheels fall off, but 1st.....I must shed this CoDboi Disguise & take a shower before my Tiger Special allows me back in the sack :P
Ninja i'll be speccing into tanks aswell (:
I know you love meh tanks |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
67
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:34:00 -
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Aighun wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I remember a CoD with a tank. It was a WW2 one and it was rather fun but we didn't have repair tools so once it blew up that was it and it only took one or two shots.
Went 43 and 2 in one those things. Is that seriously the approach you are bringing to the devs as far as balancing weapons and vehicles? I once won something like 7 fights in a row in the Burg with a 0 poise dex character in Dark Souls before they nerfed the dark wood grain ring and everywhere you turned there were ninja flipping mask of the mother Havel giant armor wearing try hards. Not because the build I had or the weapons I was using were all that good. They weren't. Well, I had a good sword, but that character was more of an lol build than anything. No, I won because I was lucky enough to run into a string of players that weren't that great. Changing a weapon so that it will do well if you are lucky enough to run into players that are not equipped, skilled, or experienced enough to counter it does not make a weapon or vehicle balanced or viable or interesting to use. It seems more and more like CCP have some particular vision of how they want us to play the game. Like they have some very narrow vision of how and when a tank should be used and every time we the players do something different the tank gets changed to limit its versatility, or, I supposed make it so it can play the role CCP have chosen for tanks. It does not seem like changes are being made to allow for players to chose how they want to play.
mmm +5 raw dragons tooth and full giant's armour (better than havels when maxed out) that does like 400hp (forgot) damage, I doubt anything but the same loadout would beat that in PvP. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
175
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:36:00 -
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Definitely not the only beta tanker. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1248
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:43:00 -
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o7 |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1747
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:50:00 -
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Seeing how I've decided to spec LLAV's come respec to help make me non useless outside of a dropship(which I will be speccing back into) I might drop some sp and get standard tanks. Been playing around with militia variants and they're kind fun. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
410
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:55:00 -
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Well, sorry to see you old timers go....
I see tanks all the time still, Last match I was in had 4 tanks and my squad kept brining tanks to the fight also. People are still using them.
Sometimes people can't cope when they get hit with the nerf bat, it stings so bad they are traumatized and then they PTSD out when they get behind the wheel again. I completely understand.
There will be some more $$ fixes for you later. But for now, Tanks still rock, sorry to hear you can't cope. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
285
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:23:00 -
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Problem is tanks a barely worth while since theres no real proto tanks, proto AV just demolishes tanks. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4491
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:27:00 -
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Lurch and a few others that gave me problems in the early days of the beta are still reminding me of how horrible of scrub of anti-vehicle operator I am.
I mean one minute I'll be soloing a tank the next this guy rolls round the corner and well I just have to accept dying in a spawn camp the next few seconds. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
220
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:20:00 -
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General Grodd wrote:Seems as all the old good tankers are quitting... only a few seem to remain. I miss those tank clashing beta days... it's just me and my old tank Bessie. -áLooks like I'll -ábe one of the last beta tankers... it's been nice knowing -áyou tankers who left. Be successful on your future endeavors. Of course that means tankers will be higher n higher in demand (I feelz so special). I'm a man on a mission...
Will return in time |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
308
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:39:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I remember a CoD with a tank. It was a WW2 one and it was rather fun but we didn't have repair tools so once it blew up that was it and it only took one or two shots.
Went 43 and 2 in one those things. few tanks take more than 2 or 3 shots of my rg tank.. eager to play against good tankers again
funny... few tanks take more than 2 or 3 shots of my FG
but yes PC is the new battleground for tanks, where there are some oG tank wars going on every day.
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Exerminatus Shihinra
VCOE123
3
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:03:00 -
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'nother of the beta tankers here. Not as experienced but I enjoy dropping my madrauger and mauling everyone, have no issues with AV because I know how to avoid 'em.
**** your forge guns I like my WALLS. Also unloading my nice hot blaster shots on you.
P.S. I'm obsessed with tanks so want to see more and more AV too. |
Ayekada Kernsky
RestlessSpirits
6
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:21:00 -
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Im a closed bata tanker and I still run my railtank Some of us tankers are not after kdr mine is like 9/1 most of the time
I target lav, havs, dropships, turrets and any body who attacks me most of my red dot kills are asissest from my gunners and others that I hit with splash damage and a blue dot kills |
Infamous Erich
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
6
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:29:00 -
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I am the tank ninja shooting you from the shadows |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:46:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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