ill just close my eyes bite the pillow and wait for CCP to finish............. updating the game and balenceing it out like they as aways do. I have faith in them.

I dont. They f ed up real bad this time.

Whos stayin?

Please, stay with HAV's so I can feed you to my AV nades.

lol iv already adapted. all i lose is a damage mod on my madrugar, my fix? use proto cannon and max out gallente enforcer skill. only the true tankers will remain. and when the few and the proud tankers get their maruader tanks back...

Um if im correct CCP made uprising. Also after uprising was released ( cpm was around ) HAVs got a hp buff. How did the CPM screw havs?

i love my hav but now its all AR so AR it is....

AV buffs (weaponry +10%)
HAV PG nerf
HAV Shield / Armor skill rework (From 5% HP / level to 2% resist / level)

Had the buff also effected HP modules, I'd be more than ok, but it only increased the base HP of tanks.

if tankers want to quit thats fine with me. more guys on the ground to kill. i'll just miss the rare madrugar rhino fights or the cute little caldari shield tank fights (awe they try at least)

I'll keep my HAV as there are times when just having a warm forge gun isn't enough to satisfy the need to break EVERYTHING.

You do not belong here get lost. You are the reason scattered ion cannon deals 1072 DPS while D. TAC AR deals around 1040.

We can still make rhino fights if you want.
Come at me bro -/activates fuel injector and hardners..

did he jusy say fuel injector?
***Activates hydraulics and evil laugh module***

Prove it.

ill be holding on to my SP untill the game is actually good, not the broken trash we have now

Same, but coming from dropships.

I've avoided the AR since I joined in May '12 because it's the easiest weapon and least exciting of the bunch. But, I really don't think it's going anywhere, and even it ever does get pulled into some kind of reasonable place, it will still be an easy to use weapon.

::shrugs::

Welcome to New Eden

Keeping my HAV.

Gonna feel sorry for all the guys leaving tanks when we get our Marauders back...

Don't make me search of your post that says turret damages are the main issue for tanks.

Don't bother searching for stuff that was months before Uprising.

Don't bother searching for stuff that was months before Uprising.

lol iv already adapted. all i lose is a damage mod on my madrugar, my fix? use proto cannon and max out gallente enforcer skill. only the true tankers will remain. and when the few and the proud tankers get their maruader tanks back...

Chin up, folks.

I am a strong proponent of the "Make dropships not useless" and "GIVE HAVS THEIR GAHD DURN PG BACK" causes.

You probably won't be disappointed, unless CCP decides to make me sad too :(

Um if im correct CCP made uprising. Also after uprising was released ( cpm was around ) HAVs got a hp buff. How did the CPM screw havs?

just played a match in my rail mag: 5 dropships, 3 tanks, 2 lavs & bolas 540k payout. Tank it is :D

Whoever is saying that "tanks are ******" probably haven't spent more than 5M SP into them....

so the 2nd of May was months before Uprising??

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=734072#post734072

Yup, most of us don't like the +damage skills and would rather see skills that like reduce heat builds and the sorts.

I am on the fence on this one, because the CPM is more worried about the turrets and skills involved with them now than the tank at the moment.

I predict the more expensive glass cannon is not going to fare well on the current battlefields. Also the enforcers where a bit too expensive to obtain in the tournament build.

Help us, Nova Knife, you're our only hope. We don't want to dominate the battlefield we just want to not be cardboard boxes with guns.

BOZ man, need to get all the "good" Tankers on a Chat sometime and work out what needs to be done, forward it to CPM to read through. We need to look at what needs to go, what needs to be added.

I agree.

Want more proof Iron Wolf Liar?

You certainly need to dig better, I don't see any proof what so ever.

I just simply stated that Damage +Skills are bad for a FPS game and that Enforcers are agreeably LOL wut? at times because they're so easily popped by a kamikaze LAV demoman and they're certainly not the murader HAVs people loved.

I am sure people would rather want:

Less Heat Per Skill Level on the blasters
Less Spool Per Skill Level on the rail-guns
More Blast Radius per Skill level on missile launchers.

Vs

1% Turret Damage

The core of most HAV's problems is surviving.
The HAVs more than capable killing each other in mere seconds and typically most Tank vs Tank Engagements are done and over with far faster than Infantry vs Infantry engagements.
Why do you want make the damage to go up into the miliseconds?
Why do you want to reward the first tank on the field?
Most of the time the complaints about the tanks from tank pilots have usually always had been involving how short they live against... anything.

So are you going to sit there and lie to me that tank problems are it's damage output? I been reading the forums and its more of the damage input they're mostly complaining about.

If I had been give an either/or problem of:

Increase damage Lose more HP
vs.
Increase HP and lose damage

I'd pick the later provided the rest of the environment doesn't change. Ability to re-engage time after time after time is far more valuable in keeping the investment worth it in a vehicle.

Because the damage output shreds most infantry and other vehicles in seconds or instantly what is an instantly slightly shorter going to change up overall?

So go ahead and lie to me I am wrong. Because if you want to nerf tank HP fine by me, I play AV as well and I am still soloing too many of these tanks.

Yes I know the PG skill is fubar and needs to change back to proving grid instead of shaving ... 1 cpu was it?

Yes I know the Shield and Armor skills changed but I don't want them changed back (because this is now a double stack buff on EHP on every additional plate you throw on.) However I haven't had the time to sit-down and do the math to see if its been stacking penalized.

I don't know if you are awera but we are receiving a damage nerf WITHOUT INCREASED SURVIVALITY

More Blast Radius per Skill level on missile launchers.

I'd take this one any day over 1% dmg.

last build we had damage and no tank. This build we have no tank AND no damage. I'd rather get turret operation to give me 3% per lvl and turret prof back then to have a "decreased spool up time" on my railgun. We have a bunch of people that don't truly understand the mechanics of vehicle play providing feedback to CCP on vehicles.

What we need to do is bring together all of the higher tier tank drivers into a chat and make up a list of how to balance tank vs tank and tank vs AV.

last build we had damage and no tank. This build we have no tank AND no damage. I'd rather get turret operation to give me 3% per lvl and turret prof back then to have a "decreased spool up time" on my railgun. We have a bunch of people that don't truly understand the mechanics of vehicle play providing feedback to CCP on vehicles.

What we need to do is bring together all of the higher tier tank drivers into a chat and make up a list of how to balance tank vs tank and tank vs AV.

Odd, I the strange fact I understand that spool up time is an accuracy penalty.

If you're bad, yes.

We already include the movement of the target, lag and travel time of the projectile into our muscle memory, spool up time is just another variable.

So you want 15 more damage vs more accuracy?

Chances are even at lvl 5, the additional damage of the skill would not make a difference between shooting a target once or shooting it twice with the railgun. You get far more advantage of upgrading the gun itself between the tiers.

You have to admit that the situation of where it would have made a difference is extremely rare. It almost begs similar question as to the some damage mods for the guns, an additional 0.1 more damage where vs the average targets shot at most is only going to save you 2 bullets in a fully automatic weapon.

So you want 15 more damage vs more accuracy?

Chances are even at lvl 5, the additional damage of the skill would not make a difference between shooting a target once or shooting it twice with the railgun. You get far more advantage of upgrading the gun itself between the tiers.